How I prove God exists.

1. I define God as in concept first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.
2. So I search for everything with a beginning to its existence.
3. And I find everything I experience to be in existence having a beginning to its existence.
4. There, that is the evidence of God existing, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.
5. Wherefore God exists, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

This is not proof God exists.. It's your opinion..

until i see it........

live a day in my shoes and i promise , you'll believe in the devil.

There needs to be indians, not all can be chiefs... imagine that world , sheesh.

a reply to: Pachomius

Why does God have to exist for a beginning to anything?

You can't prove God my friend...

One can only prove the existence of God to themselves

originally posted by: Pachomius
1. I define God as in concept first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.
2. So I search for everything with a beginning to its existence.
3. And I find everything I experience to be in existence having a beginning to its existence.
4. There, that is the evidence of God existing, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.
5. Wherefore God exists, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning.

Um, yeah...

That logic flow need work....

a reply to: Pachomius

What if I believe god is no creator?

a reply to: Pachomius
This approach to proving God goes back a long way, so there's a lot of history of argumentation for and against.
I found it in school in Cicero, as the theory of the "unmoved Mover".
1. Most things do not move themselves. They are moved by (or originate from) other things.
2. Anything that is not self-moving eventually comes to a stop, if it ceases to be moved by something else.
3. But the universe has a whole has begun moving, and has not come to a stop.
4. Therefore there must be somewhere a self-Mover, which originates the movement of everything else.

You will find that somewhere in the "DE NATURA DEORUM".

a reply to: DISRAELI

the universe could be something that expands and contracts... like everything

so at the last moment of contraction, everything may stop... and then start again

which may be something that always has been

Point being... theory does not prove God

nothing does but the self

originally posted by: Akragon
... and then start again

Cicero would point out that "starting again" implies an external Mover. Even a pendulum stops moving eventually.
My point was really that this argument should not be dismissed as the "personal opinion" of the OP. There's a respectable history behind it.
I don't rely on philosophical proofs myself, because proving bare existence and nothing else isn't all that helpful from a Christian point of view.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Again a "theory" of an external mover does not Prove a God

It can't be proven Until HE shows himself

And even what said event occurs... how does it prove a God when it could easily be a technology?

You have not proved anything other than believers need no real proof.

Which we already knew.

a reply to: Pachomius

BWAHAHAHA..

Omg that is SOMEHOW even less “proof” than I expected..


Cause comes before effect..


People create things.. furniture, art exc..


When a human creates things, they have a beginning.

When an animal creates things they have a beginning.

When nature creates thing, they have a beginning ..


When the Big Bang creates things, they have a beginning..


What the hell does god have to do with any of that???

You cannot cherry pick one VERY obvious concept (cause precedes effect) that religion got right, and ignore EVERYTHING They get wrong..

I assume you are really talking about the Christian god, but know you could never defend all the other ridiculous claims the Bible makes about reality...

a reply to: Pachomius

PS..

A miracle can never be the historical answer.. well not without a CRAZY amount of very undisputed evidence..


Critical history scholarship is the study of what is the most probable thing that happened..


By definition a miracle is a 1 in a gajillion event..


Thus a miracle can never be considered “the most probable” occurrence..

A miracle is by definition improbable.

Most people take psychedelics for that.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Nothing in nature implies a “mover”...


There is no spell, prayer NOR ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE of ANYTHING supernatural in all of human history..


After all the people from all over the world has tried to prove their religion or the supernatural..

ALL have failed miserably..


Of course it should be dismissed..


Why???

Because Christianity claims god has no creator.


Aka Christianity poops all over that little theory..

People are free to believe in whatever they like.

If YOU believe that god exists, then why the need to prove it? Who are you trying to prove it to?

If you want to prey and read the bible and believe in a higher being, then all power to you. I just don't think anyone who believes in god should have to prove anything.

a reply to: Pachomius

Except god is said to have no creator..

Which just blows that logic up I think..

Because you say everything has a creator, but your crematory has no creator..

a reply to: Pachomius

Ever stopped to think that maybe you're God?

a reply to: rhynouk

That’s easy.. they are trying to prove it to themselves, because deep down they know it’s garbage...

Which is the reason jews do not often do this stuff nor recruit..

They really believe it and don’t need to prove it to themselves..

originally posted by: rhynouk
People are free to believe in whatever they like.

If YOU believe that god exists, then why the need to prove it? Who are you trying to prove it to?

If you want to prey and read the bible and believe in a higher being, then all power to you. I just don't think anyone who believes in god should have to prove anything.

When people try to prove God exists, while believing in a God, proves they have no faith in themselves, and exist only to believe in something greater in their own minds than themselves.