Astonishing evidence of Atlantis kept from the public

originally posted by: andre18
a reply to: Thorneblood

I think i did a good job summarizing the basic important points. I mean there's so much in those vids im not going to write paragraphs on paragraphs per vid. Plus, it's not like my own opinion is going to improve on whats already expressed here. "pimping' his videos, sure why not? he's done a great service so why not bring it to this site's audience? Do you have a problem with people getting the attention they deserve?

You did considering the subject. This is one of those where there are three types, all in like you appear, all out like Thorne appears and those like me who think we will go where the data leads us.

I already know a few things like the "Romans didn't build it" evidence simply have to be true. The precision is even showing the technique becomes lost with repairs made at some sites that pale in comparison to earlier repairs which pale in comparison to the original builders precision. Ancient Aliens I am neutral on the evidence it was "aliens". However, the data is still there that allows them to speculate so wildly and actually have a chance to be true.

What ever is left when you eliminate all the other options must be the truth. (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in Sherlock Holmes tales)

a reply to: Justoneman
Sorry for butting in but it might be helpful to reconsider the Term "Alien" to "Unacknowledged ancient highly advance society", that prefers to remain, hidden.

a reply to: All Seeing Eye

Ok,

I can live with that Atlantis "theory" as still being on the table. And I am open to it might be Mars was part of the "war in heaven" spoken of in some of the religions you were suggesting read in context as one world.

Evidence we have so far from a few that Phage attacked relentlessly, looked at least possible, but i am not sure about the explanations to defend those things well. Not my area of expertise. I do see things that photoshop could put in that look like statues and optical illusions.

Like X files' Bob "Fox" Mulder's poster behind his desk states, "I want to Believe". I need more or maybe just want more to say I see it as an Alien. Or maybe just some ancient tech from Atlantis and we were here before at this level and destroyed ourselves.

originally posted by: Harte
But the ignorant don't even consider that fact. The truth is, they think - and often aver - that archaeologists are handsomely paid.

I like the idea of trying to find something that might actual fit in with the Atlantis stories (sorry Akrotiri doesn't cut it for me), in the same way I like trying to find Bigfoot. The evidence is shadowy, but I'm a big fan and still hope that something definitive might turn up. It's like mental chewing gum.

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
Well gee, if some youtuber says it, it MUST be true!

That doesn't make it untrue though...

I'm not gonna watch the vids, but the hypothesis of the existence of Atlantis is untrue, so...

Harte

Plato described Atlantis as a real place. People today just assume he was writing a play and the place never existed. But people forget he was describing locations that do exist, introduced real dates for when this place existed, and real people in Greece and Egypt are mentioned in his workings. Called Atlantis may not be accurate, but I would rule out there was a place that fitted this description sometime in the past. The most likely place for this sunken or destroyed city is somewhere off the Coast of Spain, Americas or the British Isles. If I was betting man I pick a place the Greeks knew and would have to fit in with their understood knowledge of the known world.

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: MteWamp

originally posted by: one4all
Nice to see the younger generations fighting for their true history....it will be a hades of a fight....but good to see they are in the trenches.

It was a sick minded olde generation of greedy power hungry people who bastardised our true humanitarian history....it will take the polar opposite to correct things....but it can be and is being done step by step.

Youngsters remember this....treat old people who have lied to you or who protect the old liars against your inquisitions WITH EXTREME PREDJUDICE...ATTACK THEM IMMEDIATLY AND RELENTLESSLY....EMBATTLE THEM .....because they are now weak......do NOT RESPECT ANYONE who lies to you about Humanities past in any way shape nor form....these are the most evil of all humans.

A bit....Ummm....Narrow minded, aren't we? I don't know how old YOU are, although I could guess...

But I won't, because I really don't care, but I do find your post a bit... Odd?. Could you elaborate a bit on how it is that you came to feel this way? I think it would be interesting to know what transpired in your life that would lead you to seemingly regard your betters with such contempt.

There can be no seemingy contemptuous disregard if there exists no catalyst for such negativity....and we both know there exists no catalyst....lol....your feeble attempt to define yourself or the group-speak influence you are trying to recruit and engender as being in some way shape or form better than truth is reflective of your motives.

When you say betters you are most likely referring to Elders or Seniors or some such idealism which tries to defend itself and its existence by inferring wisdom and humanitarianism are baseline components of ageing and volume of life experience....unfortunately this is not the case and is in fact a hyperbolian myth ... sorry to burst you candy-coated bubble but I firmly belive in a what have you done for humanty lately perspective so even if you are 500 years old if you have stopped projecting pro-humanitarian truth and reality you are NOT being the best you can be so by proxy cannot ever define yourself as better than anything.

The internet provided the equivilant of the Library of Alexandria to the world....plus it allowed for the revealing of many truths ANONYMOUSLY....so one may quite easily reference so-called conspiracys and easily define them as true or false...in short.....I nor todays youth care about the sales job surrounding Edison because we now he was a 1/2 quart short of a gallon....we KNOW Tesla was the real deal.....we know tesla was suppressed and he was gangstalked to his death while Edison was promoted and used as a figurehead while an unneeded many trillions of dollars global electricity network was built....and people were charged TRILLIONS of dollars for something more free than the air we breath.......now it doesnt matter how much moaning and groaning and referring to peer approved published data you throw out in todays world...NO ONE IS BUYING THE LIES ANYMORE.....and nothing will change this....now consider that this is simply the Edison/Tesla contrast and we can identify and quantify these types of contrasts anywhere large volumes of money come into play....I mean it is laughable how many old con-job thieves are now being busted running the gamut right to things like the sunken Titanic which was really the Titanics sister ship since a switch was made to enable an insurance fraud while at the same tie hundreds of very powerfull influential people who were counter to another large cabal of then TPTB were murdered to wipe them from the playing field....the people who died on the ship were in some cases very important to global growth and future......you see.....no one is afraid to dig now...and the internet makes it possible to do the digging...and MANY people are INTERESTED....especially young people....it is their world and they are taking ownership diligently.This dissemnation can be applied to the energy sector the pharmacutical sector the education sector the publishing sector the transportation sector....to EVERYTHING WE DO.....people have learned how to follow the money and then more importantly how to REVERSE EXTRAPOLATE the dirty deeds done to enable the flow of money.

But the money and suppression also lead to the bigger picture which explains Atlantis and other Civilisations and our One-True Humanitarian History as well as predicates our future...and this is what I am excited about....because inquiring minds unhindered by the brainwashing of the past enabled by the internets data availability are ABSOLUTELY UNSTOPPABLE....which means they willl by proxy arrive at the big picture perspective at LIGHT SPEEDS and ENMASSE.

Well THAT was a lot of effort to say absolutely nothing.

So...What's your POINT?

You whippersnappers think that by some arcane osmosis, you can make knowledge more important than WISDOM.

That usually works, until you don't have a phone or PC handy, and you need to figure out why your car wont "go" when you press the "gas" pedal.

See? Concise, succinct, brief, but expansive in scope. See what I mean about a POINT?

Knowledge does not trump experience, wisdom and common sense, my son. (Or daughter. Makes no difference)

originally posted by: blujay
a reply to: andre18

Eventually a huge announcement will come out of Egypt that will rock history to it's core. Wait till they discover the miles deep tunnels and more underground cities. I've been waiting forever for it to come out.

After Atlantis fell, most of those who survived had to live underground until the surface was livable again. They (we) emerged from under the pyramids.

Some of the pyramids were built using non physical means/thought.

Indeed. And if the Egyptian government would allow excavations beneath the the pyramids at Giza and the Sphinx, the accepted view of human history would be knocked on it's ass.

I also have a gut feeling that underneath the Sahara lies a WEALTH of archeological treasures and most likely ancient cities that pre-date ancient Egypt. The Sahara was green and temperate up until around 6,000 years ago and is larger than the continental U.S. Now it's impossible to excavate unfortunately....

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: All Seeing Eye

Ok,

I can live with that Atlantis "theory" as still being on the table. And I am open to it might be Mars was part of the "war in heaven" spoken of in some of the religions you were suggesting read in context as one world.

Evidence we have so far from a few that Phage attacked relentlessly, looked at least possible, but i am not sure about the explanations to defend those things well. Not my area of expertise. I do see things that photoshop could put in that look like statues and optical illusions.

Like X files' Bob "Fox" Mulder's poster behind his desk states, "I want to Believe". I need more or maybe just want more to say I see it as an Alien. Or maybe just some ancient tech from Atlantis and we were here before at this level and destroyed ourselves.

I started my research as a extreme skeptic some 40 years ago. I saw trends and patterns in the materials I was dealing with. Some of those patterns, well, most all, crossed over into other areas. It is very hard to put into words, so in short, a spiders web. I learned early on, not to believe! I also learned to only take from the top of what ever subject I was dealing with, mostly the pros and cons of each area. Then question why their was a point, counter point in the first place. Then, more patterns would appear.

Intellectually speaking I am incapable of mastering all of the "Disciplines", but in truth it just isn't required to be able to compute pi to the last digit, its a waist of time. If you understand my point. I don't need to spend 20 years in a dig site to be certain that a 30,000 year old bracelet was recovered. I don't have to be a Expert in all fields, just be able to judge logic and rational, and reason of information/ disinformation.

You mentioned a member of the forum as being rather negative to certain types of information, he isn't alone. Never the less, you have your own mind and your own opinions, use them! If you don't understand DNA, read up on it. Same for all the other "Disciplines", but do yourself, and maybe in the long run, humanity, a favor, and read both sides of the argument. Don't settle on one members negativity, he might have something to hide And is not above creating a "Photo Shop" disinformation campaign.

What they don't want you to know is, when they get to the end of the day and are forced to be honest, they themselves will admit "they don't know". But, you can And don't lower yourself to their negative and immature mindset, its what they want.

Yes, the truth is out there, but it is also, within yourself.

I need more or maybe just want more to say I see it as an Alien. Or maybe just some ancient tech from Atlantis and we were here before at this level and destroyed ourselves.

The good doctor feels that war on Mars happened 500,000 years ago, or was that 500 million. Either way, it was a long time ago. But to put time into perspective, the Dinosaurs left about 65 million years ago, and our oceans, the vast majority, are only 70 million years old. If you dig into Geology you will find the pro and con argument Plate Tectonics verses Expanding Earth. If you consider the Expanding earth argument you learn our planet, just 70 million years ago was basically the size of Mars today. The land masses, continents were basically in contact with each other, on a smaller world. And that would explain why they are now finding Denisovan remains in the areas they are now being found, globally. And if they were around before the Earth started to expand, they wouldn't need boats, as their were no oceans at that time. But then, everybody knows Plate Tectonics is correct, right?

But the Negative one would rather you not consider that. They have figured everything out for you already, so don't waist your time thinking about it.

Its all about studying the evidence for yourself. Yes a lot of photshoping has been done, but don't let that stop you. For instance the following. Give them time, they will find a explanation for these footprints.

Six Million-Year-Old Human Footprint Discovered in Crete Raises Major Questions About Our Evolution

And these. They will scream fake fake, Photoshop!

Oldest human footprints discovered in Tanzania offer amazing insight into how our early ancestors lived

And of course these footprints from some type of transport. But remember, they are faked, all of them, globally. And the good doctor who claims they are 12 million years old, well he's just a crackpot, tin foil hat wearing lunatic.

12 Million-Year-Old Vehicle Tracks Found in Stone, Claims Geologist

The 200 million-year-old shoe print—time to rewrite history?

500 Million-Year-Old Human Footprint Fossil Baffles Scientists

Use your own mind, and decide for yourself!

It wasn't us that caused so much destruction in the past, we, are only 200,000 years old. You just have to ask yourself who would want to hide all this glorious past from us. And why!

The "Negatives" can keep on keeping on, but they are fighting a loosing battle....

ADDED: Broader view of the ancient past.

A series of stunning archaeology discoveries on man's origins have been made in a Siberian cave. The significance of the cave is immense, and the experts are convinced it has more secrets to give up on human origins. Most importantly, the cave is the only known instance to date of the Denisovans, a newly identified species of giant human being. They are a mysterious relative of the Neanderthals who are thought to have roamed the plains of Siberia and east Asia long before modern humans arrived on the continent.

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: one4all

Well put. And I agree wholeheartedly.

We build over top ancient cities today.... Looks like some of these things where done and then built on.Man cannot do some of these stones.They had to drag some 300 to 500 miles...They would never even do that or think to do that.Not even evidence of they dragged them.Log rolling theory is ridiculous as the logs would be crushed or sink in the dirt.

originally posted by: Gazrok
I'll have to watch the vids, but I'm automatically pretty skeptical ol' Jimmy is an expert in all of these different civilizations. Typically, one specializes to become said "expert". Also, it has been shown how the ancient Egyptians cut their stone blocks with tools of the time, so this didn't require any kind of unknown tech.

Though I am also curious as to how he's aware of rooms inside structures that mainstream archeologists are unaware of. See, automatically gets up my "it's fishy" meter.....

More than that, he has no clue on the timelines. The Mayas and Incas were rising as civilizations and building their pyramids 1,000 - 1,500 years AFTER Egypt collapsed and 1500-2000 years after Egypt built its last pyramid (and 3,000 years after Giza pyramids were built.)

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: burgerbuddy
a reply to: one4all


She makes some good points and asks some good questions.

She has taken one MASSIVE BITE in terms of the challenges she has CowGirled up to IMHO.

She has jumped into the middle of the haystack and has begun sorting things out.....knowing the needle is there she is being quite detailed and trying not to miss a thing....lol...I ABSOLUTELY LOVE HER WORK AND HER HUMOR....I do believe she is missing the biggest termination and starting points however...I just cannot decide if she is intentionally avoiding them or not....I feel she is being intentional because of her expanded perspectives....the same ways I do....you can FRAME the big picture but you can never FINISH IT.....you have to leave it hanging.....its the healthy thing to do.

She IS pretty funny.

She has one on Petra I like.



She just looks at things with common sense, like we (most of us) do.

How specific do people want to get about Atlantis? The actual name of an actual place? Or a name for a civilization that seems to have had some world wide influence?

From Nan Madol to Giza, someone was doing stuff that doesn't make sense for the time and technology.

For instance, I just took a long ride from the airport to near the china border. Saw some awesome construction.

Like the bridge from here to Macau, but I can see how it's done. I know there are cranes and diggers and some bridge span building machines, etc. Also there is concrete and rebar, steel etc.

Yeah, someone, many smarter people planned and figured it all out and started building it.

I'm impressed but not awed. It's the age of jet packs and robot dogs.

But to tell me, no one with a wheel or draft animal, cut, moved and stacked 2.5 million blocks in 25 yrs, from the get go, is a stretch.

Let alone use round rocks to pound out giant faces on statues.

Seriously? Have any of you worked or lived on a farm? Any f'n down time there? lol!!

Penguins.

a reply to: one4all

When you say betters you are most likely referring to Elders or Seniors or some such idealism which tries to defend itself and its existence by inferring wisdom and humanitarianism are baseline components of ageing and volume of life experience

Give em a jab for me too And by the way, I'm on board with ya. And don't forget Arrogance....

up to date no physical evidence of Atlantis ( or Lemuria ) has been unearthed. And maybe it wasnt tht high tech super-civilisation either as the fringe is used to tell you.
Nonetheless archeologists all around the world do the daily job of dirty work for science.
The only ones who claim 'hidden' ,'conspiracy' and 'coverup' is the fringe again ..and sells books, DVDs and expensive travels.
do the maths.

Doernenburg does a good job as an archeologist:
doernenburg.alien.de...

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Why? Why would this piece of history be kept from us when nothing else about previous civilizations wasn't kept from us. What's different here?

How do you know you got all the info?

They told you?

Pulleys..Hard work,time,manpower and organization..Humans are pretty smart if we work together at a common goal.

originally posted by: CajunMetal

originally posted by: Titen-Sxull
a reply to: andre18

I watched five of the videos and I didn't see one lick of evidence about Atlantis.

What we have is a Graham Hancock fanboy wildly speculating about a conspiracy for which he presents no evidence. For someone brave enough to put giant titles like 'TEXTBOOKS DEBUNKED' he sure spends a lot of time just asking questions and speculating and almost no time at all presenting actual evidence of anything.

In particular I'm bothered by the tenuous connections these sorts of amateur internet archeologists draw between megalithic sites and pyramids. The pyramids at Giza were built somewhere around 2500 BCE while many of the pyramids in Mexico were built in the common era (AD). Many of these sites were built thousands upon thousands of years apart, others are hotly debated as to whether they are manmade sites at all (Gunung Padang site, Bosnian pyramids, Yonaguni, etc).

You can't just dismiss these debates as part of the conspiracy. Reconstructing the past based on pottery shards and raised stones isn't exactly easy.

Why would an archeologist cover up evidence of an advanced civilization? Surely rewriting history is EVERY SINGLE ARCHEOLOGISTS DREAM! Are they all in on it? Are they blinded by what they learned in school? Or are they perhaps, like all scientists, flawed but well educated humans doing their best to analyze the evidence and place it in its proper historical context?

Whenever he talks about their being a mainstream scientific conspiracy I just have to cringe. Scientists are human yes, they have biases for sure but we can't just dismiss their findings out of hand because we want to believe something different. We also can't just shoehorn in whatever desired conclusion we have based on a mystery (argument from ignorance).

How did they build this? Well let me just shoehorn in my favorite pet theory even if it doesn't make a damn bit of sense.

"Come on bruh, how'd the Egyptians carve all these stones bruh, you REALLY think they did that without modern tools bruh?" - The Spirit of all Pseudoarcheologists

I don't know, maybe they did, maybe I give our ancestors credit and don't think they needed aliens or atlanteans to learn how to accomplish amazing things.

A global cataclysm 13000 years ago doesn't explain why pyramids are in Mexico AND Giza but were built thousands of years apart. Atlantis doesn't make sense as a connection when Gobekli Tepe is so damned old while something like Angkor Wat was built in the 1100s CE.

Also similarities in building styles are easily explained away. There are only so many structurally sound shapes of stone you can build in. In one video he uses trapezoidal doorways as "evidence" of the lost civilization, it's grasping at some very loose straws to say the least. It makes sense that civilizations made of human beings are going to come up with similar strategies and shapes to build in and the fact that they came up with them separated by thousands of years and thousands of miles is evidence AGAINST a global advanced civilization if anything.

There's nothing wrong with keeping an open mind and looking into these things but the idea that Jimmy here is some kind of expert with mind-blowing evidence of a grand conspiracy about Atlantis seems a bit premature given the "evidence" presented here.

Kinda hard to cash in on that DREAM when you can’t get a grant to dig because your goal is counter to the status quo.

It doesn’t even have to be a nefarious or mystical reason for the powers that be (how long as the current head of Egyptology been in charge?) to just want to maintain the status quo instead of admit that they’re not the seat of modern civilization and concede to history being re-evaluated and rewritten. Just my opinion.

Yep, how many reputations and livelihoods would be on the line?

What's her face was ruined yrs ago because her dating of something went against the official story.

Then the mainstream beat up on Hancock and the rest, because aliens.

lol.

Nah, no Gods or Aliens, just some chump with time off that doesn't even have proper hygiene.

Zawass was an ass. His people walked out of the desert or jungle and started all this good #.

Anyone believe all the math the scientists claim the pyramids have built in?

How do you square that with what they say people barely out of the stone age, were supposed to know?

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: Blue Shift
I'm not sure why anybody would hide evidence of Atlantis when if it existed it would be a veritable boon to the archaeological world and result in lots of money being sent in that direction. It would be like really finding, for sure, King Arthur's castle and round table.

Find it and you're the most famous archaeologist in the history of the field.
You could write your own ticket, and wouldn't have to rely on the paltry stipend archaeologists receive for their work any more.

But the ignorant don't even consider that fact. The truth is, they think - and often aver - that archaeologists are handsomely paid.

Harte

Would you and Byrd believe it?

Would you peer review in the positive?

Or just turn it into some fringe BS?

a reply to: burgerbuddy

exactly the egyptians wrote down everything , so where are the detailed architectural drawings they made and the maths they used to calculate the loads , the load bearing structures etc ! The geometric calculations .

Or do they exist ?

originally posted by: Crumbles
a reply to: andre18

I watched 6 of the video's and the most interesting by far is the hatch in the sphinx head. They really do not want a lot of this information out if you have to dig and dig to find out hard facts like this.

"...you have to dig and dig to find out hard facts like this."
You mean like surf Youtube?

The hole in the sphinx head was made by Egyptologists. The original hole was small and likely was made there to hold some sort of headpiece.

I believe it was Vyse that drilled into it looking for ... well, what people here claim Egyptologists don't look for.

He broke off a big drill bit in it that was only removed recently (within the last 10-15 years, IIRC) by Zahi Hawass.

They had to enlarge the hole to get it out.

Harte