Just Breaking! Russian SU-25 Bomber Shot Down Over Syria

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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Vector99

Turkey would do that. I dont think anyone should trust them.

Given the current state of affairs in Turkey, I could see that happening too. Adolf Erdogan is on a mission to wipe out Kurdish Syria right now, and what better way than to have their Russian buddies bomb them into oblivion. That way they save face with NATO on their Kurdish genocide mission. While the wreckage may not be recovered depending on where it went down, Russia will know who shot it down.

We have to understand what "type" of conflict this is. It is NOT a traditional war where sides are clear.

It is a "free for all".

When you have upwards of a dozen factions each with their own unique agendas / mission objectives, when you have shifting and quickly changing alliances, when you have pure chaos and a fog of war so thick you can cut it with a knife, when no one really even knows what they're fighting for anymore (other than they are there to just fight) ....... You have a "free for all". It's "Every man for himself".

We can also call this a "Cluster #".

Basically who cares what faction killed what faction? All that matters is that the war goes on and the status quo is maintained. There are a lot of old weapons laying around getting old - someone's gotta use them right? And besides, the Middle East needs internal conflict to keep "the terrorists" occupied and busy in their homelands.

It's better to keep the inevitable war there in a defined region than to allow it to spread everywhere isn't it? The world needs Syria.

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: muzzleflash

That's not true.

If Russian and Turkish forces engage in a direct combat anywhere in the world, it would mean a war between two countries. For example, you had both Russians and Americans conducting their own operations in Syria, and they never targeted one another. As a matter of fact, they would normally send out warning beforehand to evacuate any personal one of the country might have at the targeted location.

What happens in Syria might lead to a full out war between countries.

Everyone has plausible deniability and great excuses.

WW3 isn't going to get kicked off in Syria. That's not even plausible.

a reply to: muzzleflash

We have to understand what "type" of conflict this is. It is NOT a traditional war where sides are clear.

It's a proxy war where the major parties keep in contact and avoid each other in the area to avoid starting a larger conflict.

Syria isn't like Vegas, it's not 'what happens there stays there', if any nation engages another nation in Syrian territory, it will indeed become a war.

The thing that won't happen is NATO intervention, the Russians will NEVER attack first. Any hostilities against them will be as aggressor, not in defense of them, and NATO is a defensive alliance. If a NATO member starts a war, NATO isn't obligated to assist.

a reply to: Vector99

Turkey can say "that's not us" or "those guys went rogue" - and still secretly maintain capacity to attack Russian aircraft freely.

All Russia can legitimately do is attack those "rogue" forces in that region.

Since Turkey has plausible deniability, is a NATO member, and attacking them directly in Turkey in any systematic manner means WW3 - it ain't gonna happen.

Russia will not be attacking Turkey proper. They might fight it out in Syria while pretending they aren't who they are - but that's it. It'll be low scale low intensity low tech and low profile.

Yall just get caught up in the paranoia and sensationalism too easily.

That's why some old Russian jet getting shot down in Syria by whomever causes so much worry amongst you.

I assure you it is not frightening and won't lead to anything major as it is contained and almost certainly limited to this incident.

You guys need to be rational here and refrain from buying into WW3 fearmongering by over sensationalistic journalists.

It appears Russia is retaliating via Kalibr cruise missiles against Jihadi targets. This appears to be radical, extremist, Islamic terrorism.

a reply to: Violater1

According to DEFCON Warning System on Twitter, Russian Ministry of Defense claims Jabhat Al-nusra used a shoulder fired missile to shoot down the SU-25.

Who thinks that the missile was US made...

a reply to: Violater1

Will be following this story closely... hoping it doesn't evolve into something more serious

a reply to: Feltrick

A shoulder-fired missile took that thing down when it was flying in high altitude? makes no sense

a reply to: Feltrick

High altitude shot so its probably from a NATO stockpile that someone on our side sold for a private buck.

Has someone been lying about munitions used in training? A base commander perhaps?

a reply to: JBurns

You tube video says Syrian Free Army a US proxy did it,doesn't matter they've all just been squished by cruise missiles

originally posted by: Feltrick
a reply to: Violater1

According to DEFCON Warning System on Twitter, Russian Ministry of Defense claims Jabhat Al-nusra used a shoulder fired missile to shoot down the SU-25.

Who thinks that the missile was US made...

Or Korean, or Chinese, or Russian sold through proxy (chickens come home to roost), or...

a reply to: muzzleflash

Turkey can say "that's not us" or "those guys went rogue" - and still secretly maintain capacity to attack Russian aircraft freely.

No they can't. The area this plane was shot down from will soon be under Russian control. Russians do not play around when it comes to war.

First Russian report I could find confirming the event

MOSCOW, February 3. /TASS/. A Su-25 fighter jet of the Russian Aerospace Force was shot down by militants in Syria on Saturday, the pilot ejected but was killed later by terrorists, the Russian Defense Ministry said. "On 3 February 2018, a Russian fighter jet Su-25 crashed when flying over the Idlib de-escalation zone. The pilot was able to report ejection from an area controlled by Jabhat al-Nusra militants (the terrorist group banned in Russia - TASS)," the defense ministry said. "The pilot was killed while fighting against terrorists." "According to preliminary information, the jet was brought down with a portable anti-aircraft missile system," it added. The Russian center for reconciliation of warring sides in Syria alongside the Turkish side, responsible for the Idlib de-escalation zone, are taking steps to retrieve the Russian pilot’s body.

source

The so called FSA, i guess, Supported by the west, those al Nusra terrorists that now are the good ones, declared to good ones by the good ones, as long as it could hit assad...

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: Feltrick

A shoulder-fired missile took that thing down when it was flying in high altitude? makes no sense

You can see the jet dip down, launch it's payload, and pull slightly up right...then SPLAAAAT!
It wasn't high altitude.

Trump has no love for NATO,maybe he will say eff Turkey(or whichever U.S. backed terrorist group did this) and let Russia have at 'em.