House Intelligence FISA memo released: What it says

a reply to: Xcathdra

Yes, Flynn's situation is tied to this. I think the delay in his sentencing may indicate that his case is under review. His confession relied upon a 302 from Strzok, who is now shown to be biased, and the guilty plea itself was coerced.

FBI agents told McCabe if the case went to grand jury they would testify on Flynn’s behalf

a reply to: RadioRobert

I did read the transcript, that was released. And how Nunes, the man who directed the creation of the memo, did not read the information being used, or even want to answer any questions on such.

Hence the public hearings, where people are going to have to answer questions and not hide behind the double talk or refusing to answer questions, unless it is to take the 5th amendment.

originally posted by: underwerks

Your agenda is showing.

I notice you're always ready to whip yours out to compare.

Do faces ever get tired of being firmly pressed in sand?

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: RadioRobert

I did read the transcript, that was released. And how Nunes, the man who directed the creation of the memo, did not read the information being used, or even want to answer any questions on such.

Hence the public hearings, where people are going to have to answer questions and not hide behind the double talk or refusing to answer questions, unless it is to take the 5th amendment.

Republicans obviously voted to release the transcript. They could have stopped it.
You also can't have a public hearing on classified information. Unless you want a bunch of "I can't answer that question in this setting" answers.

originally posted by: neo96

Pages history can npt be the reason for a fisa warrant.

Sure can't since no crime was ever committed.

Then throw in the 5th amendment for good measure.

That talks bout double jeopardy.

If page had been under investigation and the FISA warrants found something he would have never been able to get a security clearance. That means nothing illegal was found. Also notice no charges against him they accuse him of treason yet he's not in jail? It doesn't work that way if he was acting as a foreign agent against his country he'd be in jail right now. It's a shame they destroyed the reputation of a man that served his whole lige protecting his country because he doesn't have the money to keep fighting.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: RadioRobert

I did read the transcript, that was released. And how Nunes, the man who directed the creation of the memo, did not read the information being used, or even want to answer any questions on such.

Hence the public hearings, where people are going to have to answer questions and not hide behind the double talk or refusing to answer questions, unless it is to take the 5th amendment.

The only thing that Nunes did not see was the actual FISA warrant information. This was because the highly classified information was released on the condition that only one person from each side could view it, in a high security room. He appointed Gowdy to review it based on his extensive background in law. Then Gowdy reported back what was seen.

The other information in the memo was based on a year of investigation, document review, and interviews, of which Nunes was absolutely involved first-hand.

The mis-info you are using is one of the invalid points being pushed by the MSM, while avoiding the facts.

a reply to: Grambler

Now a Dozen Sources reporting that the FISA court was made aware the Steele Dossier was funded by Political Party aka Oppo Research.

The Wall Street Journal further reported that, according to a person familiar with the matter, the FISA application disclosed that Steele was paid by a law firm working for a major political party,

Steve Vladeck, a CNN legal analyst and professor at the University of Texas School of Law, tweeted Saturday that the news reports served as "proof that the #mehmo deliberately misrepresented the record to make the #FISA application look shadier than it was" and called the revelations "(f)atal to the memo's entire premise."

www.cnn.com...

Hillarious..

The MEMO was nothing Burger and the only thing Right-Wingers could hang a hat on in the MEMO ends up being an intentional LIE.

Nunes needs tor resign for intentionally lying to the American people in order to Obstruct an ongoing investigation, ditto all his Comrades that went along with it.

a reply to: soberbacchus
Yeah - they judge shopped for the warrant renewals. Also no they did not inform the judges of who was behind the info.

WSJ Reports Four Separate FISA Court Judges Approved Renewals To Carter Page Surveillance…

According to a Wall Street Journal report, Carter Page was on the radar of the FBI since 2013 “when Russian spies made an attempt to recruit him.” However, for some undetermined reason the FBI waited until October 21st, 2016, to apply for Title I surveillance authority through the FISA court.

Additionally, according to their reporting, after FISC approval there were three more renewal applications for a total of four submissions to the FISA court. A source tells the Journal all four FBI requests were reviewed by four different judges:

[…] The memo describes the process by which the government got a secret warrant under the law that governs the secret court, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, for Mr. Page.

[…] At least two of those renewals occurred while Mr. Trump was president and at least one was authorized by a Justice Department official he appointed. A person familiar with the matter said that four separate federal judges approved the surveillance of Mr. Page, and all of those judges were appointed by Republican presidents. (link)

If this is factually correct it raises an interesting dynamic because there are not that many FISA Court Judges in Washington DC. [FISA Court Link]

Click link for article...

For those who are curious why this is important. Usually, when you purposely seek out a different judge each time you go for a warrant renewal, you are trying to hide something. In this case they used the dossier for the 4 renewals. Each renewal requires probable cause information that is new. You cant submit the same info over and over in order to obtain a warrant. Going to the same judge means that judge is going to realize there is no new evidence and the request for a warrant would be denied. By using different judges each time they can use the same information each time and not get caught by the fact they arent using new evidence.

The other issue here is the fact the number of FISA judges is small. It takes planning to get a different judge each time which lends credence to the illegal behavior the FBI/DOJ engaged in.

a reply to: soberbacchus

That actually would make it worse. The judge could also be in trouble. Weaponizing the judicial system for political purposes. It's not like that is something unheard of.

a reply to: Xcathdra

11 Judges and you find conspiracy in the fact they didn't have the same judge every time for 4 warrant requests?

Desperate much?

originally posted by: soberbacchus
Now a Dozen Sources reporting that the FISA court was made aware the Steele Dossier was funded by Political Party aka Oppo Research.

Did they also tell the FISA court it was a Salacious And Unverified document?

Plus, we know CNN never misrepresents.

One last point: How would they know what was in the FISA application when the only person on the intel committee who actually was allowed to see it was Gowdy.

originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: Xcathdra

11 Judges and you find conspiracy in the fact they didn't have the same judge every time for 4 warrant requests?

Desperate much?

Nope just informed of how our system works and what behavior is shady.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: soberbacchus
Also no they did not inform the judges of who was behind the info.

The told the FISA Court judge that the Dossier was paid for via a law firm by a Political Party.

The MEMO lied...flat out.

originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: Grambler

Now a Dozen Sources reporting that the FISA court was made aware the Steele Dossier was funded by Political Party aka Oppo Research.

The Wall Street Journal further reported that, according to a person familiar with the matter, the FISA application disclosed that Steele was paid by a law firm working for a major political party,

Steve Vladeck, a CNN legal analyst and professor at the University of Texas School of Law, tweeted Saturday that the news reports served as "proof that the #mehmo deliberately misrepresented the record to make the #FISA application look shadier than it was" and called the revelations "(f)atal to the memo's entire premise."

www.cnn.com...

Hillarious..

The MEMO was nothing Burger and the only thing Right-Wingers could hang a hat on in the MEMO ends up being an intentional LIE.

Nunes needs tor resign for intentionally lying to the American people in order to Obstruct an ongoing investigation, ditto all his Comrades that went along with it.

Well, let's see the warrant! Isn't that what we've all wanted? Not "sources familiar to the matter" -- let's see it.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: soberbacchus
Also no they did not inform the judges of who was behind the info.

The told the FISA Court judge that the Dossier was paid for via a law firm by a Political Party.

The MEMO lied...flat out.

The judges were never informed. The dossier status does not meet probable cause requirements.

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: Grambler

Now a Dozen Sources reporting that the FISA court was made aware the Steele Dossier was funded by Political Party aka Oppo Research.

The Wall Street Journal further reported that, according to a person familiar with the matter, the FISA application disclosed that Steele was paid by a law firm working for a major political party,

Steve Vladeck, a CNN legal analyst and professor at the University of Texas School of Law, tweeted Saturday that the news reports served as "proof that the #mehmo deliberately misrepresented the record to make the #FISA application look shadier than it was" and called the revelations "(f)atal to the memo's entire premise."

www.cnn.com...

Hillarious..

The MEMO was nothing Burger and the only thing Right-Wingers could hang a hat on in the MEMO ends up being an intentional LIE.

Nunes needs tor resign for intentionally lying to the American people in order to Obstruct an ongoing investigation, ditto all his Comrades that went along with it.

Well, let's see the warrant! Isn't that what we've all wanted? Not "sources familiar to the matter" -- let's see it.

The ever convenient excuse... The FISA warrant applications are classified so cant be released. Its why the left can lie about the info that was not provided to the judges.

Given the amount of lies surrounding this mess from the start im more inclined to believe those investigating the FBI/DOJ than I am the FBI/DOJ/Democrats.

originally posted by: WhatTheory

originally posted by: soberbacchus
Now a Dozen Sources reporting that the FISA court was made aware the Steele Dossier was funded by Political Party aka Oppo Research.

Did they also tell the FISA court it was a Salacious And Unverified document?

Only Donald's golden shower episode was salacious and unverified (as in not discredited either).
No one has ever said the Dossier was Salacious and Unverified.
That was BS sold by Nunes camp (repeatedly proven to be liars)

Plus, we know CNN never misrepresents.

You missed the dozen other places reporting the same thing? Including the WSJ that you boy on this page keeps citing?

How would they know what was in the FISA application when the only person on the intel committee who actually was allowed to see it was Gowdy.

Who is "they"?...you should read up.

As far as Gowdy, no coincidence he announced he was leaving politics the day before this Memo was released.
He knew it was a lie and he knows what is coming.

a reply to: BlueAjah

If Nunes chose Gowdy to view the highly classified data, who was the chosen one for the minority party? I do not see Gowdy leaking classified info to MSM. He does appear to have a strong integrity for the law before party character.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: soberbacchus
Also no they did not inform the judges of who was behind the info.

The told the FISA Court judge that the Dossier was paid for via a law firm by a Political Party.

The MEMO lied...flat out.

The judges were never informed. The dossier status does not meet probable cause requirements.

What's that thing? Repeat a lie long enough?...

Your own source the WSJ said the FISA court judges were informed that the Dossier was Oppo Research paid for by a political party.

originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: BlueAjah

If Nunes chose Gowdy to view the highly classified data, who was the chosen one for the minority party? I do not see Gowdy leaking classified info to MSM. He does appear to have a strong integrity for the law before party character.

My money is on Schiff.....he definitely leaks