House Intelligence FISA memo released: What it says

a reply to: TheRedneck

Probably not he wrote the memo. What is he going to do disect his own work?

a reply to: soberbacchus

FBI/CIA/NSA and Special Counsel

Sure he isn't going to privatize these functions? Their "authority" is collectively derived from that of the President as chief executive. Furthermore, the CIA/NSA don't conduct criminal investigations. Mueller isn't FBI any more, and FBI has already completed an investigation into Trump and found nothing on him. That leaves Special Counsel, who is conducting an investigation that was started on entirely false and misleading pretenses. Also the matter of the abuses involving Assistant AG and others (among other officials named in today's memo).

It is these individuals that should be worried.

As Hannity said, they have the right to remain silent. And they may want to start exercising it. No talking their way out of this.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: luthier

2002 would be under Bush Jr.'s administration. Not surprising.

TheRedneck

We starting hearing about Obama abuses in 2010. By 2012 it was going to the Supreme Court.

We need a discussion about how to control abuse at the same time as taking out people who abused it.

a reply to: luthier

I'll be watching for facial expressions and body language. No, I'm not expecting him to say anything was wrong in the memo with his voice.

Also, it's Fox, so the questions may well not be difficult.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck


Not surprising at all

I think a lot of people mistakenly believe Trump voters are universally supportive of 43. I certainly am not

originally posted by: soberbacchus
Trumps certain agenda the past year has been to convince as many people as possible that feelings and opinions are more important than facts.

Puppet shows & the MSM have obviously had an extremely negative impact on this world...

MOST of us are wise enough to see through the facade and have had enough BS for one lifetime.

a reply to: introvert


But not any material facts, only supporting statements - and only a handful of those were corroborated. OTOH, we have no less than three major examples of unresolved conflicts of interest. Of course it contains tidbits of truths (such as travel plans, locations, etc). I don't need to point out that travel to Russia and meeting with Russian citizens/government officials is not a crime.

Free association, free speech and all that

a reply to: luthier

We need a discussion about how to control abuse at the same time as taking out people who abused it.

That's easy... make an example of those caught, and it'll make the ones who might not be caught at least think twice. I really don't care which party or which person is used as the example, as long as the precedent is set.

Today the suspicion falls on the Democrats... yesterday it might have been the Republicans. Tomorrow, who knows?

Who cares? Lock 'em up!

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: luthier

We need a discussion about how to control abuse at the same time as taking out people who abused it.

That's easy... make an example of those caught, and it'll make the ones who might not be caught at least think twice. I really don't care which party or which person is used as the example, as long as the precedent is set.

Today the suspicion falls on the Democrats... yesterday it might have been the Republicans. Tomorrow, who knows?

Who cares? Lock 'em up!

TheRedneck

The fisa process itself may be a problem if it's so easy to manipulate evidence. 99 percent are approved.

The precedent should be to uphold the 4th.

I actually care more about regular people getting spied on all the time.

a reply to: Murgatroid


I know I sure have. It is high time we restore the rule of law in this nation, and punish the law breakers.

I was nearly ready to start passing out pitchforks, buckets of tar and bags of feathers over this business. Of course that is nothing compared with an actual attempt to remove Trump.

I think you'd see a situation much like this, only there are more guns than citizens in this nation.

KIEV, Ukraine — Masked officers from Ukraine’s security services arrived early Tuesday morning to arrest Mikheil Saakashvili, the former Georgian president currently living here — but their plans went quickly awry.

Officers eventually reached Saakashvili and carefully dragged him from the roof — steep and slippery from an early December snowfall — and into a waiting police van. But the dramatics had just begun. Saakashvili’s supporters surrounded the vehicle and prevented it from leaving. Protesters clashed with police, who used pepper spray at times to hold the throng at bay.

After an extended and chaotic standoff, the demonstrators broke a window and extracted Saakashvili from the van. The Georgian emerged triumphantly, handcuffs still attached to one wrist, and was swept to the top of the steps of a nearby Catholic church.

Only difference is, in Ukraine nobody started passing out cigarettes and blindfolds.

a reply to: luthier

That was always expected because only one side provides evidence. The exact same thing happens with Grand Juries every day. The DA brings the evidence he wants to bring, and defendants rarely show up. So the indictment rate is astronomical.

TheRedneck

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Later les.

originally posted by: AboveBoard
What if the memo narrative is a lie?

What if you are being manipulated into believing malfeasance on the part of the FBI and DOJ when there is none?

Please give me an honest answer to this.

What if the entire Russian narrative is a lie?

What if you are being manipulated into believing malfeasance on the part of the Trump campaign when there is none?

Please give me an honest answer to this.

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: smurfy
There has been collusion, it's been proved, and it's been Trump's team at various times..

originally posted by: pavil
Ok I'll bite

Please show me the collusion you know for a fact.

Since 2015 Trump associates had got intelligent services attention.
Between 2015 to mid 2016 GCHQ passed information to the US on those people.
In Europe sigint; Germany, Estonia and Poland passed on information, so did France and Holland. Australia too got in on the act. At first it was routine, but by mid 2016 it had become a pattern of exchanges and US intel were already well informed by then. More to the point, those who have charges against them were subject to that intel that had already been garnered, and the Steele Dossier only helped confirm those parts that were relevant.
while some of what Fusion had was then just confirmation, fusion has other stuff, in particular bank account records, maybe other records I don't know about that, but the bank accounts he did pass over to the house committees in camera, and it seems nothing has been heard about them since, nobody's talking...although Mueller is reported to be looking at bank accounts...they may or may not be the same ones.
Since all the info came from foreign intel, that really leaves Obama miles away from being Mr Nosey, (mind you we did have a very hoaxy thread here about a forged letter between UK departments about Obama looking for a continuation on spying)

....seems like some activista are getting desperate...but there you go, there are lies and there are damned stupid lies.

You make it sound so definite that you can't even point to a single act of them colluding with any actual facts of how they conspired and for what end.

The Russians didn't like sanctions and Trump was open to better relations. That's collusion in your view? If they had been caught red handed, we would have heard about it by now.

Besides Russia isn't our geopolitical foe, the 1990's are calling you.


I'm still waiting for that Trump Collusion bombshell to explode.

What have we got?

Some ladyfinger firecrackers on the Trump side and M80's on the Democratic side. More Russian interference has been demonstrated in the Clinton Steele Dossier than anything Trump has supposedly masterminded.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: TheRedneck


Not surprising at all

I think a lot of people mistakenly believe Trump voters are universally supportive of 43. I certainly am not

That's because they think Trump is a Republican and if you support one you support them all. Every part of that reasoning is loose if you ask me. Trump isn't exactly a typical Republican. Honestly, I'd think most of the Republicans in Congress would welcome Trump's removal since they all have more in common with Pence. That kinds blows a hole in the theory that the Republicans are protecting Trump for some reason.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: luthier

That was always expected because only one side provides evidence. The exact same thing happens with Grand Juries every day. The DA brings the evidence he wants to bring, and defendants rarely show up. So the indictment rate is astronomical.

TheRedneck

And yet the controls and people effected get expanded every time it's renewed.

This last time was two weeks ago while they held this memo.

Just posting to get this on my list.

Too early for me to make any judgment about this memo excerpt. Not going to get myself excited for anything prematurely.

This development is definitely worthy of some popcorn to munch as I watch the show though.

a reply to: JBurns

But not any material facts, only supporting statements - and only a handful of those were corroborated.

Ok. My point still stands.

OTOH, we have no less than three major examples of unresolved conflicts of interest. Of course it contains tidbits of truths (such as travel plans, locations, etc). I don't need to point out that travel to Russia and meeting with Russian citizens/government officials is not a crime.

Ok. My point still stands.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Just tagging your thread and putting Ben's take on it

originally posted by: soberbacchus

James Comey
✔ @Comey

That’s it?
Dishonest and misleading memo wrecked the House intel committee,
destroyed trust with Intelligence Community,
damaged relationship with FISA court,
and inexcusably exposed classified investigation of an American citizen.
For what?
DOJ & FBI must keep doing their jobs.

originally posted by: RadioRobert
I like that he included faux outrage over violating Page's rights after using political oppo firms as justification to violate his rights! As though Carter Page is pissed that they released this info... Words are wind, Jim.

Comey's right,
The trust is gone, intel will less forthcoming for anybody to chew on.