Is it foolish to dismiss religion as just superstition?

originally posted by: LindsayK
Dose any of it matter?
apparently you can do as you please so long as you say sorry every Sunday.

I'll just stick to trying to be the best Human I can...and hope that gets me over the line at the end

if there is a line to get over

which I doubt.

I appreciate your nihilism, it's interesting that even once we've accepted the meaningless of it all we still try to be good.

Although what if saying sorry every Sunday and easing your mind is helpful?
Carrying guilt for something that cannot be changed for the rest of your life can't be healthy.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

I don't mind the lessons and wisdom being passed on being shared secularly, it's all the other stuff that comes with it that I don't value or desire.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Instead of just having your sins wiped clean every Sunday and forgetting about them, why wouldn't a person fully confront and face their transgressions? If you can just package and bury away the guilt, having it wiped clean through confession, what does that actually accomplish. I can just keep on repeating the same sins over and over.

Maybe the guilt is actually desirable in these cases. They teach you a lesson, a lesson of full accountability and responsibility. You need to face your transgressions head on, accept them and if you don't like the guilt, change your habits.

Saying that agnostics choose the weaker and easier path seems dishonest. Wouldn't it be much easier to just buy into one of the multiple religions that has everything already figured out for you? No need for thought, just obedience without understanding and you are saved. Admitting that we don't have the answers seems like the tougher choice in this scenario.

a reply to: Murgatroid

Have you done any research on them? Everything I have read tells me that Scientology is a NWO front designed to steer people AWAY from the truth.

I think that's more less the point of the OP though. I've read the book before I knew what the whole "cult" thing was about. The book has some very interesting points in it and there are things in there that make sense. However, the concept BEHIND the book is something else. It's really about being clear (no pun) of what's what and taking only what you need from it.

For instance... the Bible... We no longer stone people for adultery, at least not in the US... Granted, some people would like to but... Still, there are messages in there, so many more that are good for the soul, to learn from whether one takes it literal or not. As per the OP, anything can be used as a tool for learning, even if the basis behind it is bunk.

originally posted by: Murgatroid
Have you done any research on them?

Everything I have read tells me that Scientology is a NWO front designed to steer people AWAY from the truth.

It's all relative.
According to them you are the one steering people away from the truth.

If you're interested just read the book and you'll see it's just a self help psychology book written by a guy without the qualifications to do so. An honest yet flawed attempt at understanding the human condition.

All the alien stuff showed up afterwards once all his good ideas were used.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

I was raised in a Southern Baptist church and taught that we had to be baptized and believe in Jesus to be saved and get into Heaven. I still follow those teachings. In the past, I've found myself wondering how civilization before Jesus got into Heaven. I know people all had different gods they prays to in those days. Jupiter, Crom, Zeus, Poseidon, etc., and I've come to the conclusion that it was God's way of reaching out to them. In my religion, we pray to God in Jesus's name.

I don't think it's superstitious to be religious. I mean, you try to follow a more pure, yet still imperfect life and what's the worse that can happen when you die? None of it was real and you end up where you end up, or it was all real and you end up in Heaven. Either way, it prompted you to live the best life you could live here on Earth. I'd rather be one of God's soldiers fighting the demons of the underworld if that's where this takes me, not the other way around.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Is it foolish to dismiss religion as just superstition?

Which religion?

Distinguish between organized religion and spirituality. Dogma, ritual and tradition are 'superstitious'.


The superstition goes, if you don't follow the dogmatic tradition and perform the rituals you are 'sinning'.

Sinners are easily forgiven.

a reply to: StallionDuck

Good disinfo agents ALWAYS mix good info in with bad info.

Disinformation and rat poison are a lot alike that way.

I see religion as rat poison for the soul - 99% truth, 1% lies.

In order to be effective, it must look, taste, and smell like the real thing and contain some elements of truth.

He will disguise himself as an angel of light and in every false religion the name of Jesus is there as the hook that makes them believe that something is real there. ~ Ana Mendez Ferrell(@ 3 min.)

This has always been the modus operandi of the Deceiver... Satan's recipe: ? Take 10% truth, 20% probability, 20% possibility and mix with 50% lies... Line a scrying bowl with some snake oil and pour in mixture. Bake over long period of time (preferably generations), and serve to gullable public with some humor and logic. Make sure the container for the 10% truth that was added is hidden or destroyed (preferably)...and enjoy the resulting constipation of the unwary...

Exposing Lies, Myths and Deception

I think he's right. Does it really even matter if God is real or not? Religion talks about supernatural things and events that take place outside of our known reality, but is religion itself supernatural? No, it's not, it belongs to the profane world. Religion is relevant to living people and it can be good for them. I don't think religion is relevant to God, whether he exists or not, and I don't think we need earthly religions when we die, whatever happens. And if someone is reborn and lives again, then he may find that a completely different religion or belief-system is more useful than the old one. Because he needs religion for his life, not for his death, not to help out God by converting other people. So religion is almost like complicated tool, but you can't really call it that, because if you don't believe then religion looses most of it's power.

Some atheists think they're more clever than religious people, because they find all these discrepancies in religions and decide that the religions are wrong. But scientific knowledge can't replace the religions, it can only disprove them (and like I said, the truth is often irrelevant). We have more knowledge now than we had in the middle ages, but has anything really changed? They haven't even been able to stop aging yet. The world is still full of confusion, probably more confusion than ever. Also more suffering; some people live better lives now thanks to western medicine and science, but only a few people have access to the full extent of it, and the total amount of people in the world is way larger than it used to be. And it seems that new problems compensate to some extent when we get rid of the old ones (obesity instead of starvation, a ton of other examples could be made).

The understanding of one human being is ultimately so limited, and our existence is limited and incomplete, or it least it seems to be. Being is absurd, not logical, so you might as well believe in God, why not. I don't see how the God's existence would be any more illogical than my existence.

Of course some religious beliefs and practices can be less useful than others, or even destructive, often they get abused, etc. I do think we could find way better alternatives to today's religions.

a reply to: ClovenSky
It's not always that simple.
Say you killed someone kid in a car crash that wasn't your fault.

Does the parents forgiveness ease any guilt at all?

If you don't claim to have the answers you would be an atheist. That's a tough choice.
If you claim to have the answers you're a theist. That's a tough choice.

I see an agnostic as someone who follows a sport but refuses to pick a team.

a reply to: Murgatroid

Just out of curiosity and a personal question after reading your sig, do you enjoy this reality?

It is kind of weird but from my experience the most well adjusted and content people I have come across also believe in reality being 180 degrees from what the establishment is telling us. Instead of getting upset and stressed over the constant lies being told to us, they see it as entertainment. They try to help those around them that accept help but recognize the futility in assisting everyone to see the path.

I have to say, with those beliefs I should be very depressed and malcontent but weirdly it is completely opposite. I wonder if it only seems backward due to what and how we were taught through our impressionable years.

I have this sneaking suspicion that the world would enter a new age of enlightenment if we simply rejected the lies and clawed for the truth.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
It's all relative. According to them you are the one steering people away from the truth.

Precisely, which not only exposes the stealth agenda, it confirms everything else I've said.

The hidden agenda behind religion is to discredit the truth.

The Illuminati have a definite ideological agenda and once you see it, the big picture begins to fall into place.

A couple of quotes that bring things into perspective:

originally posted by: DumbTopSecretWriters
The Illuminati have an agenda to make people intolerant to religion, and it is constantly being mocked in the media. People are being conditioned using clever psychological techniques into believing that religion is nothing more than fables of the ancients. Destroying the belief in God is their top priority. They want to make religion irrelevant by discouraging people to study it because the deeper someone looks into religions, the more they see the truth behind them which ultimately reveals more about the Illuminati’s purpose and goals. Do not fall prey to such conditioning. If you already have, then you need your bhoota slapped with a chappal to sort you out.

But this is exactly the agenda: To destroy Christianity, just as they have destroyed empires, nations, heterosexual identities and nuclear families. The agenda is to strip people of power and identity leaving us defenceless in the face of one-world tyranny.

Does a Satanic Cult Rule the World?

Since they want God's job, the Illuminati's primary goal has always been to destroy Christianity.

Movie "Zeitgeist": Illuminati Critique or Psy Op?

The Illuminati set out to systematically destroy Christianity and belief in God. ~ James Perloff

...to discredit the Bible and Christianity, the Illuminati set out to systematically destroy Christianity and belief in God. Do we need any more proof that we are ruled by a satanic cult?

Satan Worship: The Coming One-World Religion

a reply to: vinifalou

Not to mention the revisions of the Bible. If I recall correctly, the Geneva Bible was destroyed and rewritten by King James at the end of the 16th Century. Things like unicorns were in reference to animals like Rhinos and things like dragons were in reference to lizards and other such reptiles. Fire and brimstone coming from the sky could have been a volcanic eruption. We have to put ourselves in their position of what it was like back then when people didn't know about the things we know about today.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Whether the parents forgave me or not for the death of their child wouldn't impact my guilt. I would probably replay the scenario over and over again. If I found personal guilt, regardless of what the law concluded, I would come to terms with it and accept the full responsibility both physically and spiritually. I would never ask for the slate to be cleared because it happened and I can't change the past. I would choose to learn from it instead. Life.

Agnostic vs atheists vs religious is a difficult path to define. Everyone has their own definitions of these terms. I take atheists to mean that we are just physical bodies without a soul. We are just electrical impulses and once those signals stop, we are finished for eternity.

I view the major difference being between religious and agnostic. Religious claims to have answers where agnostics simply state 'stop being lazy and create your own reality'. If the path of the agnostic were really as easy as watching a sport from the sidelines, then it would be the most popular path throughout the world measured by direct participation.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

I can't really distinguish between the 2.

Organized Religion doesn't address the Spirit. Most Christian belief denominations teach us any thing actually spiritual is of the devil. The only actual spiritual encounters happened a long time ago and have since stopped.

So, if they see anything spiritual today they are to ignore it. As well, any knowledge of or teachings about the soul is nill. Because, all spirit contact is 'evil'. Even our own I guess.

That difference.

originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: LindsayK
Dose any of it matter?
apparently you can do as you please so long as you say sorry every Sunday.

I'll just stick to trying to be the best Human I can...and hope that gets me over the line at the end

if there is a line to get over

which I doubt.

yeah... it doesn't quite work that way... in ANY religion. That's not how it works in Christianity and that's not how it works in Catholicism, two religions I have grown up within. Though, that's usually a go to, among others, that people outside these faiths use against them/us. Too many misconceptions and way too much finger pointing.... Glass houses and all. It would be a much better place if everyone, all faiths and non, would understand that those around us will not always believe what we believe and THATS OK. Let all believe what they want and move on, so long as it doesn't do harm to another. I don't understand why this is so hard to do.

You hit the nail on the head right there...

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Is it foolish to dismiss religion as just superstition?

Which religion?

Distinguish between organized religion and spirituality. Dogma, ritual and tradition are 'superstitious'.


The superstition goes, if you don't follow the dogmatic tradition and perform the rituals you are 'sinning'.

Sinners are easily forgiven.

Just believe it, lol.

a reply to: Murgatroid

The Illuminati if they exist aren't cartoon villains.
Whatever their goals are, it isn't to do evil.

What would you do if you had the chance to kill a billion to save a trillion?

Religion really is utter bollox, in all its forms.

Einstein called it 'childish superstition' that about sums it up.

Personally I give religious folk a wide berth, I find them to be flaky and unreliable, not to mention dishonest and judgemental.

originally posted by: ClovenSky
Just out of curiosity and a personal question after reading your sig, do you enjoy this reality?

Good point, it saddens me to know that most of what we are told is a lie but there is nothing quite like KNOWING that you have found the truth.

That also reminds me of a film I watched a few years back, when I heard these lines and realized just how relevant they were, I was floored...

Claire Kuchever: What if you had to tell someone the most important thing in the world, but you knew they'd never believe you?

Doug Carlin: I'd try.

On the other hand I DO enjoy knowing the fact that when the fat lady sings, it will all be exposed for what it is...

For all that is secret will eventually be brought into the open, and everything that is concealed will be brought to light and made known to all. ~ Luke 8:17