Turkey is no longer a free country, according to global rights report

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432

Right. Yet you have clerics.

You are not really well versed in this subject ; Islam openly tells people that there are no middle men allowed .

Interesting. A prophet is a middle man. What was Mohamed again? Certainly not Allah.

Messenger , Mohammed is a mere messenger and a flesh and blood man .

a reply to: 23432

A mere messenger that everyone has to use special words for and praise his name or be punished.

To the extreme people are killed over it.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432

A mere messenger that everyone has to use special words for and praise his name or be punished.

To the extreme people are killed over it.

This is getting rather personal for you isn't it ?



Muslims praise Jesus , Moses , Abraham , Jones , Jacop , David too .

You really don't know much about Islam ; i would stay off this particular topic if I were you .

a reply to: mortex

Dont trust Turkey. I cant say it enough.

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432

A mere messenger that everyone has to use special words for and praise his name or be punished.

To the extreme people are killed over it.

This is getting rather personal for you isn't it ?

Muslims praise Jesus , Moses , Abraham , Jones , Jacop , David too .

You really don't know much about Islam ; i would stay off this particular topic if I were you .

They pay lip service. Basically calling Jesus a liar. ishmail was the son of a slave who technically was born fitst,but read carefully was he born FROM abrahams real wife? No he was not. Invalidating the claim to the prophecy muslims believe of him being the chosen ones progenireator. Abrahams WIFE HERSELF was the one to deliver the Son God promised. ishmail was given a lesser task afterwards.

There are 2500 Christians living in Hatay province, on the Turkey-Syria border. Most of them live in the city of Antakya, and Operation Olive Branch is never far from their minds. Nafisa Latic takes us to church.

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432

A mere messenger that everyone has to use special words for and praise his name or be punished.

To the extreme people are killed over it.

This is getting rather personal for you isn't it ?

Muslims praise Jesus , Moses , Abraham , Jones , Jacop , David too .

You really don't know much about Islam ; i would stay off this particular topic if I were you .

Not exactly sure what your strawman is about.


Or how you got any of what you said from my post.

Again killing people for making fun of Mohamad would imply he is a bit more than just a messenger.

And no when you greet people in Islam you don't Salawat Jesus or David in conversation.

But hey what would I know. Ooooh better stay away.

Deflection much.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432

A mere messenger that everyone has to use special words for and praise his name or be punished.

To the extreme people are killed over it.

This is getting rather personal for you isn't it ?

Muslims praise Jesus , Moses , Abraham , Jones , Jacop , David too .

You really don't know much about Islam ; i would stay off this particular topic if I were you .

Not exactly sure what your strawman is about.


Or how you got any of what you said from my post.

Again killing people for making fun of Mohamad would imply he is a bit more than just a messenger.

And no when you greet people in Islam you don't Salawat Jesus or David in conversation.

But hey what would I know. Ooooh better stay away.

Deflection much.

I am not deflecting .

It is difficult to debate with someone who already made up their mind .

Having been to Turkey a couple of times and experienced the good natured locals, I can say Turkey is a really nice place. Good people. Good food. Balanced culture.

However, there are real signs that the Turkish government is sliding back into autocracy and dictatorship, with much of the social advancement of the last couple of decades being binned. That's a bit sad. Certainly, human rights have gone to pot.

originally posted by: paraphi
Having been to Turkey a couple of times and experienced the good natured locals, I can say Turkey is a really nice place. Good people. Good food. Balanced culture.

However, there are real signs that the Turkish government is sliding back into autocracy and dictatorship, with much of the social advancement of the last couple of decades being binned. That's a bit sad. Certainly, human rights have gone to pot.

WHen you have to wear a hijab where you could go in normal clothes a year earlier you know somethings up.

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Turkey is inconsequential to the resource needs of Europe.
Europe does not need turkey any more. . Turkey does not have the infrastructure and engineering to create their own machinery and innovation. This means she is heavily reliant on imports of manufactured goods.

Turkey needs the Europe every time. The Europe could crush turkey and make them reliant on Russia.

That’s what I’ve been telling him but he won’t listen lol.
A new east med energy corridor has emerged between Israel, Cyprus, Egypt and Greece, with the USA as their patron.

Even Russian energy companies are involved lmfao to a small extent.

But most the major western energy firms are involved.
Exxon, Total, ENI, etc.
A pipeline will be built linking Israel to Cyprus to Greece to Italy.

Turkeys is losing ground fast as being useful in any sense.

a reply to: JohnWilliams

News from freedom loving Turkey lol

Soccer player banned, his crime...? He shared a video..

Soccer: Turkey bans German-Kurdish player for life over 'ideological propaganda'

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Naki shared a video on social media on Sunday calling for participation in a rally in the German city of Cologne to protest against Turkey’s military offensive into northern Syria’s Afrin region.

Turkish authorities have cracked down on public expressions of dissent about the ground offensive against the Syrian Kurdish YPG militia. More than 300 people have been detained for social media posts criticizing the campaign and a prosecutor has issued detention warrants for 11 top doctors.

www.reuters.com...< br />

Turkey orders detention of top doctors over criticism of Syrian offensive

ANKARA (Reuters) - A Turkish prosecutor ordered the detention of 11 senior members of the Turkish Medical Association (TTB) on Tuesday, including its chairman, after the body criticized Turkey’s military operation in northern Syria.

www.reuters.com... KBN1FJ0XB

Turkey detains 300 people over criticism of Syrian offensive

ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkey has detained more than 300 people for social media posts criticizing its military offensive in Syria, the government said on Monday, a day after President Tayyip Erdogan accused doctors who opposed the campaign of betrayal.

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The Interior Ministry said on Monday a total of 311 people had been held for “spreading terrorist propaganda” on social media in the last 10 days. Detainees have included politicians, journalists and activists.

www.reuters.com...

How many thousands will end up in jail because they disagree with the dictatorships decisions?

Simply amazing how anyone, Turkish or not, can sit on an Internet forum and pretend to the world that Turkey is a democratic, freedom loving, human rights respecting, country.

Shameful.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: burgerbuddy

Kurds. They want to kill Kurds now.

Turkey has been killing Kurds for decades. Before Kurds ended up becoming a useful asset for the USA in dividing up Syria, the USA was backing the Turkish suppression of Kurds, particularly with military exports specifically for this campaign.

But now the USA wants to use the Kurds as their proxy force after the failures of their previous proxies to destroy Syria. It is indicative of how desperate the Americans are in refusing to accept the failure of their Syrian campaign; so much so that they are willing to accept Turkey, a key NATO ally and key geopolitical pivot, turning against them.

This is why the CIA tried their pathetic coup against the Turkish government: so they could emplace a regime more willing to support the Kurds. Their failure only forced the Turkish regime to pivot away to new alliances.

So it is really no surprise that an American NGO is now crying about how undemocratic the Turkish regime is. Do you really think this would be happening if Turkey wasn’t pivoting away from western alliance?

Just look how fast Syria became an evil dictatorship when they didn’t want to play along with American strategy. The Americans didn’t seem to have much of a problem with the Syrian regime back in the 2000s when they were sending “enemy combatants” there for torture under their extraordinary rendition program.

originally posted by: TheStalkingHorse

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: burgerbuddy

Kurds. They want to kill Kurds now.

Turkey has been killing Kurds for decades. Before Kurds ended up becoming a useful asset for the USA in dividing up Syria, the USA was backing the Turkish suppression of Kurds, particularly with military exports specifically for this campaign.

But now the USA wants to use the Kurds as their proxy force after the failures of their previous proxies to destroy Syria. It is indicative of how desperate the Americans are in refusing to accept the failure of their Syrian campaign; so much so that they are willing to accept Turkey, a key NATO ally and key geopolitical pivot, turning against them.

This is why the CIA tried their pathetic coup against the Turkish government: so they could emplace a regime more willing to support the Kurds. Their failure only forced the Turkish regime to pivot away to new alliances.

So it is really no surprise that an American NGO is now crying about how undemocratic the Turkish regime is. Do you really think this would be happening if Turkey wasn’t pivoting away from western alliance?

Just look how fast Syria became an evil dictatorship when they didn’t want to play along with American strategy. The Americans didn’t seem to have much of a problem with the Syrian regime back in the 2000s when they were sending “enemy combatants” there for torture under their extraordinary rendition program.

" Turkish Military and American interests can't co-exist in the same Geography . Turkish Military power must be destroyed " - Pentagon report 1997 .

East is rising again and Turks are going back to East which makes sense , no one in the West wants Turks .

Erdogan is prepared to fight it out if it comes to it but no one really thinks that USA will fight Turks openly . The backing of those atheist Kurds by USA is a tactical step to appease the Zionists but it will fail . Most Kurds are Sunni Muslims and they are with Erdogan .

Trump knows this , so does Erdogan .

Greater Israel plan won't be allowed to come into being despite all these efforts .

Turk and Kurd or is it Gog and Magog ?




Monkey lovers in Mesopotamia will be kicked out and that will be the end of " Middle East " ; restoring Mesopotamia back to history .

2018 will be an interesting year .


"
I was nothing untill I read Ibn-i Haldun -- Arnold Toynbee

Oh Kurd , Oh Arab get your act together ; upon Armageddon two races will need the Turk , one is Arab and the other is the Kurd -- Ibn-i Haldun

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Secret of Samos , Erdogan has it Trump is sick of it .

Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu on Afrin offensive: "The US made a lot of promises and they haven't delivered"



Cavusoglu is an Ethnic Kurd from South of Turkey .

Can Erdogan stop with the bull# and just crown himself Sultan of the Ottoman Empire already?

a reply to: 23432

" Turkish Military and American interests can't co-exist in the same Geography . Turkish Military power must be destroyed " - Pentagon report 1997 .

So in my hands I am holding two syndicated books that are not only fully-referencable, but also outline the geostrategic viewpoints and objectives of top level actors of American regimes for about the last 50 years or so.

One is “The Grand Chessboard” by Zbigniew Brzezinski, published 1997, which is essentially the National Security Agency’s viewpoint (or in other words, the department that briefs the executive leadership, aka the president of the United States, aka supreme commander of the US Armed Forces (including the Pentagon)). This book is essentially the outline for American geopolitical objectives, and has been applicable since WWII.

Second is “The New Turkish Republic” by senior CIA officer Graham Fuller, published 2008, which is the CIA’s view. Graham Fuller being the CIA’s top expert on Turkey for years, and happened to be present in eyesight of the attempted coup on the Turkish regime.

Both of these books entirely contradict your ‘source’ of a “1997 pentagon report”. You’re crazy if you think that the USA wanted to alienate Turkey. Why do you think Turkey shot down that Russian jet a few years ago? Because they wanted to ally with Russia? No, because they were expected to do so by the USA/NATO to sucker Russia into starting a greater war, just as they did with Georgia, then Ukraine... but the strategy failed yet again, and Turkey quickly realized that NATO would rather sacrifice Turkey in a major war than join it.

originally posted by: TheStalkingHorse

a reply to: 23432

" Turkish Military and American interests can't co-exist in the same Geography . Turkish Military power must be destroyed " - Pentagon report 1997 .

So in my hands I am holding two syndicated books that are not only fully-referencable, but also outline the geostrategic viewpoints and objectives of top level actors of American regimes for about the last 50 years or so.

One is “The Grand Chessboard” by Zbigniew Brzezinski, published 1997, which is essentially the National Security Agency’s viewpoint (or in other words, the department that briefs the executive leadership, aka the president of the United States, aka supreme commander of the US Armed Forces (including the Pentagon)). This book is essentially the outline for American geopolitical objectives, and has been applicable since WWII.

Second is “The New Turkish Republic” by senior CIA officer Graham Fuller, published 2008, which is the CIA’s view. Graham Fuller being the CIA’s top expert on Turkey for years, and happened to be present in eyesight of the attempted coup on the Turkish regime.

Both of these books entirely contradict your ‘source’ of a “1997 pentagon report”. You’re crazy if you think that the USA wanted to alienate Turkey. Why do you think Turkey shot down that Russian jet a few years ago? Because they wanted to ally with Russia? No, because they were expected to do so by the USA/NATO to sucker Russia into starting a greater war, just as they did with Georgia, then Ukraine... but the strategy failed yet again, and Turkey quickly realized that NATO would rather sacrifice Turkey in a major war than join it.

Lmfao yeh they’re really going to put their plans and strategies in a publicly available book.

Wow.

originally posted by: TheStalkingHorse

a reply to: 23432

" Turkish Military and American interests can't co-exist in the same Geography . Turkish Military power must be destroyed " - Pentagon report 1997 .

So in my hands I am holding two syndicated books that are not only fully-referencable, but also outline the geostrategic viewpoints and objectives of top level actors of American regimes for about the last 50 years or so.

One is “The Grand Chessboard” by Zbigniew Brzezinski, published 1997, which is essentially the National Security Agency’s viewpoint (or in other words, the department that briefs the executive leadership, aka the president of the United States, aka supreme commander of the US Armed Forces (including the Pentagon)). This book is essentially the outline for American geopolitical objectives, and has been applicable since WWII.

Second is “The New Turkish Republic” by senior CIA officer Graham Fuller, published 2008, which is the CIA’s view. Graham Fuller being the CIA’s top expert on Turkey for years, and happened to be present in eyesight of the attempted coup on the Turkish regime.

Both of these books entirely contradict your ‘source’ of a “1997 pentagon report”. You’re crazy if you think that the USA wanted to alienate Turkey. Why do you think Turkey shot down that Russian jet a few years ago? Because they wanted to ally with Russia? No, because they were expected to do so by the USA/NATO to sucker Russia into starting a greater war, just as they did with Georgia, then Ukraine... but the strategy failed yet again, and Turkey quickly realized that NATO would rather sacrifice Turkey in a major war than join it.

Fuller is in exile in Canada because he misread the coup attempt ; did you know he was in Istanbul on the night of the coup attempt ; he left Istanbul on the night of the coup attempt once he realised that the coup didn't work because Putin effectively was telling him any attempt to shoot Erdogan'splane will be taken as war ?

I didn't claim that USA wanted to alienate Turkey ; they just thought they can control and manage Turks . Russian jet was shot by a Gulen's student by the way ; the idea was to create a de facto situation where Turks and Russians wouldn't cooperate in Blacksea and East Med .

Currently the same crowd is funding the compaign to " Kick Turks out of Nato " ; they sure know NATO has no mechanism for kicking the members out .

Lastly , Zbigniew Brzezinski and Graham Fuller are cut from the same cloth as Toynbee ; their job was to get control of Horasan - Istanbul line and control " Northern Islam " .

Toynbee have already told that the " Southern Islam " is already destroyed by British ; it was to job of USA to destroy the " Northern Islam " .
Turks woke up to this hideous plan to control Islamic World via proxy " Leader " i.e Gulen of Pennsilvania .

This stupid strategy is busted and USA now really have no other way but to cooperate with Turks rather than impose on Turks .

Gulen was to be the Khomeyni of Sunni World ; he was being groomed by CIA last 40 years and Erdogan had his own independent ideas .

So Erdogan punched the Gladio-B on the nose ; openly declared that he was ready to die for his cause .

Turks saw what really was going on and are backing him up big time because everyone in Turkey is sick and tired of CIA shenenigans .