The "Right View" - What is Yours?

a reply to: philosopheroftruth

Hi POT.

Would you consider this "Right View", as a sort of personal Big TOE?

What could be said about no view?

originally posted by: philosopheroftruth
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Sweet - I like where this is going, but I am still unsure of the specifics! This is the point of the thread - to share your View without expecting to be torn apart by others (In love seeing how others structure their world).

Do you care for the truth of your position?
Having your ideals torn apart is a good thing!

originally posted by: philosopheroftruth
a reply to: sine.nomine

It is a paradox, but not really. Ultimate Reality is empty of inherent existence...

XD I love that. Don't you see the paradox? But anyway, if you read the teachings of zen masters, a lot of it is paradoxical in nature. It's heavily tied with Taoism. But isn't existence itself paradoxical in nature, and maybe that's the point. Understanding reality is a communication with truth. And that's much much more difficult than we realize. Impossible doesn't exist here. That's the beauty. As much as I wish I could pick your brain, and vice versa, we only have ourselves to work with.

Understanding yourself is the key to understanding reality.

a reply to: philosopheroftruth

Our different 'spiritual' views stem from our interpretations of what constitutes good and evil (really two sides of the same coin). Dogmas are just extensions of those interpretations, put in a more coherent manor. Yes those dogmas, religions, are the control mechanism that we use to usurp control from each other in society. What makes us individuals is our ability to choose.

We are the blind leading the blind....but how can a blind man be made to see?

a reply to: Nothin

Yes! Exactly! Didn't expect to see a fellow reader of Thomas Campbell on this board (I should have expected it though).

I wouldn't say that it is proper "Right View" (since that is basically a middle path between all Views, avoiding getting caught by any), but it is what I'm referring to as an individual's own "View". Honestly, using Big TOE instead of "Right View" would be more accurate, but not many know what that means...

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Discussing is better than tearing down, in my opinion! Often times, people think that they disagree when, in reality, they are using the same words in different ways (poetically, perhaps).

a reply to: sine.nomine

I agree, and you're making me want to read more Zen poetry. Is Thich Nhat Hanh Zen? I love his books.

And I agree with what you say - the only reality we know is the one we process through our own bodies!

My view is there are imperfections whithin a great perfection, but if one settles in to the ultimate view metaphoricly speeking. The overall mosaic of all life is perfect. a reply to: philosopheroftruth

a reply to: philosopheroftruth

Yeah well: perhaps an attempted reader would be more fitting. Going-off on contemplative tangents, then realizing it has been weeks since the last reading. Should probably stick with short books. Have started the book about 4 times, then drifted-off elsewhere, or nowhere.

Will follow this thread.
Peace.

originally posted by: philosopheroftruth
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Discussing is better than tearing down, in my opinion! Often times, people think that they disagree when, in reality, they are using the same words in different ways (poetically, perhaps).

I disagree.
I want my ideas torn to shreds.

a reply to: ancientthunder

Beautiful! I've debated trying to fall into the "Right View" of Madhyamika, but it just felt wrong. It is a goal of mine, but I'm not ready yet (still craving a bit so it wouldn't currently work). I do believe that it's the best way to be the most compassionate and peaceful human, though.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Interesting! So would you say that Equnamity would be the way to solve the issue of control? To realize that both good and bad are subjective definitions that don't exist in reality outside of a mind?

My craving for ice cream melt into the ocean of everything, my laughter and tears are starting to exactly the same.a reply to: philosopheroftruth

a reply to: Nothin

It is a LONG read! That was my biggest complaint about that book. It's over 800 pages, and Tom is a Physicist, not a writer (many unnecessary, page-long, tangents). It was a fun read though, and I got some good thinking out of it!

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Well you're wrong and nobody should ever be torn to shreds!!!

(Am I doing it right? )

I actually didn't expect any replies tonight, so thanks for the fun so far! I need to sleep so I can sit in a chair for 8 hours tomorrow, but I'll check back!

originally posted by: philosopheroftruth
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Well you're wrong and nobody should ever be torn to shreds!!!

(Am I doing it right?

)

Almost!
Keep trying, You'll be down to my level eventually.

originally posted by: philosopheroftruth
Wrong View is any view that equates thoughts for actual reality, since thoughts are imperfect models of reality that you should not get attached to (you should simply use them as tools to get things done).

They may be models, but the imperfect thoughts models are really good an blowing stuff up.

I do agree that people equate thoughts for actual reality. Words are abstractions of reality. Words are NOT the reality they represent.

The problem with thinking everything we think about is a delusion is it is also a delusion to think it is a delusion.

Everyone knows same thing about reality. We all experience reality in the exact same way. What it all means, however, is as you say purely subjective. You of course know the word "reality" is itself a wrong view by your way of thinking.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
The problem with thinking everything we think about is a delusion is it is also a delusion to think it is a delusion.

It's turtles all the way down!

Sounds like conceptual thoughts about non conceptual thinking.