most-powerful 'SUPER LASERS' that can RIP holes in space

originally posted by: 727Sky
Humm hope we all don't get sucked into the newly created space hole..

I would actually be more concerned about something coming out...the movie The Mist come to mind. What if its not a hole in space but a hole through barrier between dimensions, or parallel universes

DO IT!!!!!!!

~Morpheus

a reply to: FamCore

No a black hole is a gravity well, if you hold a sheet perfectly tight and put a lead ball in the middle it pulls the sheet down and will pull any objects on the sheet to it. Which is why you can't escape it...this in theory would keep the sheet flat, but tear a small hole in it. nothing "should" want to "fall" into it. the next question would be "does a hole in the sheet sew itself back up?"

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: 727Sky

Says its 'table top' big, I wonder how big the power supply is?

It can't rip holes into the next dimension, thats like saying 2D 'flat landers' can invent a laser to shoot 'up'.

I wonder how big the table is....they do come in all sizes after all.

Someone will be standing by with a roll of duct tape to fix the hole.
a reply to: 727Sky

originally posted by: Jefferton
Why can't we leave stuff alone? Why, as Humans, do we always need to "rip holes" in stuff?

Hrm.

I don't know but I can hope we can advance physics just a little. What is on the other side of our containment vessel (our universe)? Maybe being able to create a possible black hole will be a good thing.

Creating a small black hole, maybe forced into or mostly into another universe, and allowing it to decay into electrons to feed a power grid might just be a solution to cheap, clean power that could be scaled up.

I remember reading in a story that we only learn when we experiment. I think that held true for our ancestors learning new things no one else knew as it does on the bleeding edge of theoretical physics, math, chemistry and engineering or for that fact anything. We see it repeated daily with babies learning to crawl, walk, run, talk, experience and learn the world around them.

Although, it might be interesting way to go if the balloon of a universe pops and we are suddenly all over the floor of an alien lab.

originally posted by: dug88
"It would mean you could generate something from nothing."

But then doesn't that mean that there's actually "something" in that "nothing"?

a reply to: 727Sky

ULP.

The descriptions of the device and the wording of the Sta r Article made remind one of H.G. Well's TIme Machine, don't they?

a reply to: Snellius

Something can come from nothing all the time at the quantum scale hence the background vacuum energy associated with space-time.

It's our perspective from our maco universe that suggests otherwise.

a reply to: Jefferton

It's called progress.

Humanity will always feel the need to attempt o understand the reality in which we exist, or think we do.

Experimentations such as this are a requirement to further our understanding of the universe, and the space-time in which we exist.

Fact of the "matter" is that we simply do not build tools we do not use, and this type of technology is just another tool.

originally posted by: MysterX

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: 727Sky

Says its 'table top' big, I wonder how big the power supply is?

It can't rip holes into the next dimension, thats like saying 2D 'flat landers' can invent a laser to shoot 'up'.

I wonder how big the table is....they do come in all sizes after all.

Image in Link.

They don't rip apart space, they rip matter apart in space. Space isn't a perfect vacuum, after all. Anything in the way of the laser will become ummm, disassociated.

But most alluring, Li says, would be showing that light could tear electrons and their antimatter counterparts, positrons, from empty space—a phenomenon known as "breaking the vacuum."

a reply to: Snellius

According to the theory of quantum electrodynamics (QED), which describes how electromagnetic fields interact with matter, the vacuum is not as empty as classical physics would have us believe. Over extremely short time scales, pairs of electrons and positrons, their antimatter counterparts, flicker into existence, born of quantum mechanical uncertainty. Because of their mutual attraction, they annihilate each another almost as soon as they form.

But a very intense laser could, in principle, separate the particles before they collide. Like any electromagnetic wave, a laser beam contains an electric field that whips back and forth. As the beam's intensity rises, so, too, does the strength of its electric field. At intensities around 10^24 W/cm^2, the field would be strong enough to start to break the mutual attraction between some of the electron-positron pairs, says Alexander Sergeev, former director of the Russian Academy of Sciences's (RAS's) Institute of Applied Physics (IAP) in Nizhny Novgorod and now president of RAS. The laser field would then shake the particles, causing them to emit electromagnetic waves—in this case, gamma rays. The gamma rays would, in turn, generate new electron-positron pairs, and so on, resulting in an avalanche of particles and radiation that could be detected. "This will be completely new physics," Sergeev says. He adds that the gamma ray photons would be energetic enough to push atomic nuclei into excited states, ushering in a new branch of physics known as "nuclear photonics"—the use of intense light to control nuclear processes.

Source: sciencemag.org article.

In the quantum world, there is always some energy that flickers into and out of existence. The particle-antiparticle is one form of interaction in the "quantum foam." They want to make future lasers powerful enough to prevent the mutual annihilation from happening. This would be the opposite of converting matter to energy (the atom bomb), by using energy to isolate matter from "empty space" (i.e., quantum foam).

It is a cool idea! There is a lot things that need to happen as the article points out. Light particles hitting each other is the first thing! To do that, they need to have multiple shots. Then getting all that power in such a small space.

I would personally like to see inertial confinement fusion happen first! Or at least break even point reached (the power used to fire the lasers equals the power created by fusil fuel combining).

Frikken' lasers!

Can I ket one for my cat? she would love it.

3 satalights in orbit with mirrors and
you could hit any one or thing and Kill it.

if its table top! it must only be on for 1/1000 of a second.
Or a BIG cooling system and big power suply.

a reply to: Lompyt

The video on that page said to 'bring lighting bolts down' which is still disingenuous. Basically this was Tesla's tower okay?

There are electrically charged ions in the solar winds, net electrical charge. Some of those ions are attracted to the earth's ionosphere, and they build up on the ionosphere like eddies in a pool build up sediment behind a rock in the stream. That build of ions then has a net electrical charge.

Our earth's atmosphere acts like an insulator so basically the system between the ionosphere and the earth's surface is like a capacitor. When the charge on the plates of the capacitor get large enough there is an electrical discharge and electricity flows from the ionosphere to the earth's surface, that is lighting.

Tesla just put a laser in this tower, aimed it up at the sky and punched a hole in the atmosphere allowing the electrical energy to flow down into the tower (current) then the electricity flowed out from the tower into the connected electrical distribution system and it blew all the transformers out because there was so much electricity.

We could be tapping all that electrical energy today, basically free energy if we wanted but the PTB are repressing the technology because they own all the fossil fuel systems.

Thousands of black holes pass through you each year. It would take an extreme amount of energy to create a black hole capable of destroying a stapler let alone the entire earth.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: 727Sky

The hole will probably be minuscule in nature and remain open for a very short time period. So no run away Strangelet scenario or black hole of doom porn type situation is going to befall humanity down to such experimentation.

what if we let in something from the antiverse creep in through that small hole.

originally posted by: Jefferton
Why can't we leave stuff alone? Why, as Humans, do we always need to "rip holes" in stuff?

Hrm.

Says the guy sitting in a temperature controlled home on the computer all made by people that didn't just leave stuff alone.

One day we will be able to truly harness the power of the sun, but we will need strong lasers to do so.

a reply to: Jefferton

Because if we did we would all still be living in caves eating raw meat and living to the ripe old age of 30.
Instead we follow our curiosity and sit in our heated homes eating bacon and talking to each other over beams of light.

One of the problems I have with these types of research is, they seldom take into account the fragile nature of the atmosphere surrounding this blue orb we call home. Secondarily, unlike areas of research of the past where there was an expected outcome and then tests were developed to prove these, now we have embarked upon an approach of "Let's see what happens" type research. This is cause for concern.

We could easily unleash an avalanche of something we are unable to stop. Yeah, yeah, the common rebuttal to this theme is, the atmosphere is way larger than our little experiment and would therefore be unaffected. Sure, that's OUR "little" experiment, but how do we know we won't inadvertently tip the balance of some stellar level 'experiment'?

We already know the life giving atmosphere around our planet is quite rare in our local community of stars. In fact, we have yet to find even a single planet which contains the delicate balance of elements which support life like human kind. If we inadvertently trigger some sort of event which annihilates this atmosphere...then we could wind up like so many other toxic, barren and windswept planets we've found countless examples of.

We've gone from trying to understand our planet and how to better utilize it, to areas of research where now we're trying to play "God" (regardless of what form this might take).

HAARP, EISCAT, CERN and now massively powerful lasers to punch holes in the space-time fabric. Some say it's only very brief pulse, on the order of microseconds. Well, okay, ask yourself this...what happened in the first microsecond following the Big Bang? The universe expanded how far?? What if we inadvertently tipped the balance of a system we have yet to understand? Can you say..."Buh-Bye"?

Seems to me we should be conducting these 'experiments' out in deep space, well away from the vicinity of Earth. Yes, there are huge logistics challenges, but let's consider the possible down sides.

a reply to: yuppa

Then some of us are going to wonder what it tastes like and try and eat it.

Or wonder if they can have sex with, it and try and four-letter word it.

Or worse experiment and vivisect the crap out the thing for the remainder of its existence in our universe.

God help the poor "antiverse" something, coz we don't play nice.