Why the Western Male is Being Dumped and collectively character assassinated.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: enlightenedservant

You literally said "the western man is on the road to extinction". If you really believe that and are against it hypothetically happening, then you'd advocate that more "western" people mshould have children. Decreasing the amount of kids in other cultures wouldn't stop people in the West from hypothetically going "extinct", as you put it. Only increasing the birthrate in the West would work.

I was speaking figuratively about extinction, not literally.

I’m not sure where any of this will lead. But Western man is in demographic decline.

Maybe, but a long decline like centuries and then you have to define western man...does that include Russia or Europe or Australia or only the US and Canada and Mexico?

Realistically, there is no noticeable decline today. I've never been stronger, more powerful and had more influence than I do right now. And I don't see that changing any time soon.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

How is it in decline if our populations of legal citizens are constantly increasing? Anyone who's a citizen in a Western country is "Western", right? Or are you only referring to "white" populations?

a reply to: enlightenedservant

How is it in decline if our populations of legal citizens are constantly increasing? Anyone who's a citizen in a Western country is "Western", right? Or are you only referring to "white" populations?

Many European countries are replacing their aging and declining populations with immigrants from other civilizations.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

How is it in decline if our populations of legal citizens are constantly increasing? Anyone who's a citizen in a Western country is "Western", right? Or are you only referring to "white" populations?

I dont care what anyones race is.

The problem is when we import so many people from a vastly different culture, it has an effect on our culture.

So now we have many people in this country that march aagainst border laws. We have a rise i things like female genital mutilation.

There are serious discussions of free speech being curbed in many areas.

The idea of American exceptionalism is becoming more and more taboo in the country.

And so forth.

a reply to: amazing

Maybe, but a long decline like centuries and then you have to define western man...does that include Russia or Europe or Australia or only the US and Canada and Mexico?

Realistically, there is no noticeable decline today. I've never been stronger, more powerful and had more influence than I do right now. And I don't see that changing any time soon.

It's an old concept, but I speak of people who have roots in the West, and who share "social norms, ethical values, traditional customs, religious beliefs, political systems, and specific artifacts and technologies".

Western World

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: enlightenedservant

How is it in decline if our populations of legal citizens are constantly increasing? Anyone who's a citizen in a Western country is "Western", right? Or are you only referring to "white" populations?

Many European countries are replacing their aging and declining populations with immigrants from other civilizations.

LOL That just reinforces my initial response to you. If the problem is that "white" people's populations are declining, then "white" people should stop using birth control, condoms, having abortions, and artificially limiting the sizes of their families. Then there would be higher populations of "white" people and this supposed decline wouldn't be happening. The only ones limiting the sizes of your families are you.

But on the other hand, if "Western" simply describes people people that live in Western countries, then there is no decrease in the first place. The populations of legal citizens in the West is constantly increasing. That means that there are more Western men than at any other point in history.

That's why I asked if you're specifically talking about "white" people. If so, then just say it. Because from the looks of it, you don't actually care about "Western" populations as a whole because you're clearly not counting people like me as "Western" males.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Well that's where you're wrong. People can live in Western countries and not share in the same tradition.

It's not about race no matter how much you wish it was.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

By this definition, most "Western" countries don't even share the same cultures. However, do I count as a "Western man" to you?

roots in the West

My African bloodlines have been here 6 and 8 generations. And my "Creek Indian" background's been here since at least the Mississippi Civilization.

and who share "social norms,

Like what specifically? The West is full of conflicting social norms, from different marriage ages to different drinking ages.

ethical values

Like what specifically? There's no single standard for ethical laws or norms in the West.

traditional customs,

Are the customs in Switzerland the same as the customs in Greece? What about France and England? What about Germany and Portugal?

religious beliefs

Does this include the thousands of different & opposing denominations of Christianity? Or atheism? Or Paganism? The Church of Satan? Scientology? What common religious beliefs exist in the West? (Not to mention that the major "Western" religion is actually a Northern African/Western Asian religion.)

political systems

Like royalties, which most Western countries still have? Or representative democracies? Don't forget that Marx & Engels were also from the West. So what exactly is the common political system that bonds the "West"? Of course, most of the other countries in the world also have royalties or representative democracies, but I guess they don't count?

and specific artifacts and technologies

What artifacts are common to Chattanooga, TN and Brisbane, Australia? And in a world of globalization, the large cities all over the world share the same technologies. So...?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

What tradition specifically?

a reply to: enlightenedservant

The western tradition.

a reply to: looneylupinsrevenge

Someone else pointed this out to me already, and I had to clarify that I meant in the history of America. If we were in another country where blacks had enslaved whites or something similar (such as the Egyptians enslaving Jews), I would be on the side of the Jews / white people and would point out that the ethical thing to do would be to stop the Egyptians from keeping slaves. But of course, the Egyptians might complain that I was advocating taking away their rights.

Let's say that the Egyptians stopped enslaving Jews but still viewed them with disdain and enjoyed the social and economic advantages of having enslaved them for generations, while the Jews had just exited slavery and had no such contacts or resources. In addition, let's say the Egyptians did not wish to hire Jews because they still viewed them as inferior, and if they did hire them, they would pay them less. I would be on the side of the Jews.

In fact, I would be a proponent of Jewish rights, and that would make the Egyptians angry, they might accuse me of discriminating against them or taking away their privileges.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: enlightenedservant

The western tradition.

The western tradition is an amalgamation of traditions from all over the place and in constant dynamic flux. Culture isn't stagnant!

Or do you mean like Cowboys? Or more specifically WASPs....

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: enlightenedservant

The western tradition.

The western tradition is an amalgamation of traditions from all over the place and in constant dynamic flux. Culture isn't stagnant!

Or do you mean like Cowboys? Or more specifically WASPs....

I mean the tradition that has continued from ancient Greece into the west we have now. I never saw a cowboy in Europe.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: enlightenedservant

The western tradition.

The western tradition is an amalgamation of traditions from all over the place and in constant dynamic flux. Culture isn't stagnant!

Or do you mean like Cowboys? Or more specifically WASPs....

I mean the tradition that has continued from ancient Greece into the west we have now. I never saw a cowboy in Europe.

I get it....Arabs and Asians to the back of the bus!! Best we leave Africans out lest we be racist, eh?

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: enlightenedservant

The western tradition.

The western tradition is an amalgamation of traditions from all over the place and in constant dynamic flux. Culture isn't stagnant!

Or do you mean like Cowboys? Or more specifically WASPs....

I mean the tradition that has continued from ancient Greece into the west we have now. I never saw a cowboy in Europe.

I get it....Arabs and Asians to the back of the bus!!

Well by that token,

What's your argument?

Only western cultures need multiculturalism because they are evil.

Every other country can keep their great cultures.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

I understand that the word "Westerner" is troublesome. If that is your contention, go ahead and use a different word. But no, it doesn't refer to "white people", nor does exclude other skin tones. It's more about the people engaged in common enterprise within the free and open societies that the West has left them. This lineage of values and traditions descends from ancient greece on to Hellenic and Roman antiquity, to the Renaissance, to the Enlightenment, to the scientific revolution, to the industrial revolution onwards.

Yes it includes the horrors of slavery, fascism, socialism, religious persecution, totalitarianism, etc. but it has the added bonus of learning from its mistakes and overcoming them.

Are you or are you not a Westerner?

a reply to: olaru12

I get it....Arabs and Asians to the back of the bus!! Best we leave Africans out lest we be racist, eh?

Is that the conclusion you come to upon celebrating the Western tradition? If so, you're doing it wrong.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: enlightenedservant

The western tradition.

The western tradition is an amalgamation of traditions from all over the place and in constant dynamic flux. Culture isn't stagnant!

Or do you mean like Cowboys? Or more specifically WASPs....

I mean the tradition that has continued from ancient Greece into the west we have now. I never saw a cowboy in Europe.

I get it....Arabs and Asians to the back of the bus!!

Well by that token,

What's your argument?

Only western cultures need multiculturalism because they are evil.

Every other country can keep their great cultures.

My argument is that eventually the planet will be so mixed racially and culturally it will look like a homogeneous bowl of folks, all genetically related; Just a matter of time and nothing sectarian pea brains can do about it. Except blow us all to smithereens which will probably happen sooner than later. Glad I don't have kids...

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: enlightenedservant

The western tradition.

The western tradition is an amalgamation of traditions from all over the place and in constant dynamic flux. Culture isn't stagnant!

Or do you mean like Cowboys? Or more specifically WASPs....

I mean the tradition that has continued from ancient Greece into the west we have now. I never saw a cowboy in Europe.

I get it....Arabs and Asians to the back of the bus!!

Well by that token,

What's your argument?

Only western cultures need multiculturalism because they are evil.

Every other country can keep their great cultures.

My argument is that eventually the planet will be so mixed racially and culturally it will look like a homogeneous bowl of folks, all genetically related; Just a matter of time and nothing sectarian pea brains can do about it. Except blow us all to smithereens which will probably happen sooner than later. Glad I don't have kids...

I always liked that idea, that we would become a homogenous global population. Especially when I was young, but now I think it is unlikely to happen, and if it does, the road to that will be violent and extremely unpleasant. Those tribal tendencies are instinctive. Even the human race becomes veritably indistinguishable from each other,I still think that we will find little ways to signal who we are and where we come from, perhaps through some sort of social display, probably something we wear.

originally posted by: redhorse

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: enlightenedservant

The western tradition.

The western tradition is an amalgamation of traditions from all over the place and in constant dynamic flux. Culture isn't stagnant!

Or do you mean like Cowboys? Or more specifically WASPs....

I mean the tradition that has continued from ancient Greece into the west we have now. I never saw a cowboy in Europe.

I get it....Arabs and Asians to the back of the bus!!

Well by that token,

What's your argument?

Only western cultures need multiculturalism because they are evil.

Every other country can keep their great cultures.

My argument is that eventually the planet will be so mixed racially and culturally it will look like a homogeneous bowl of folks, all genetically related; Just a matter of time and nothing sectarian pea brains can do about it. Except blow us all to smithereens which will probably happen sooner than later. Glad I don't have kids...

I always liked that idea, that we would become a homogenous global population. Especially when I was young, but now I think it is unlikely to happen, and if it does, the road to that will be violent and extremely unpleasant. Those tribal tendencies are instinctive. Even the human race becomes veritably indistinguishable from each other,I still think that we will find little ways to signal who we are and where we come from, perhaps through some sort of social display, probably something we wear.

You could be right. Tribalism is certainly a motivating force in a basically primitive species, despite our technology, we will eat our children under the right circumstances. But given time, perhaps everyone will wear a Stetson.