What if everyone got a monthly check from the government?

a reply to: JBurns

I don't believe the supply of Jordan sneakers could handle such a thing.

I've sometimes pondered whether it would be a better idea to drop free televisions, generators and strong wi-fi towers into such places as Afghanistan and Iran, rather than bombs. It would probably be less expensive, and then we'd get them hooked on "Friends" reruns and the consumer economy and that would suck all the fight out of the bulk of them. Sure, the U.S. still has its home-grown enemies, but I like the idea of battering people into submission with our entertainment-obsessed consumer culture rather than things that go kablooie.

a reply to: neo96

Because corporate products,and free money are NOT human rights.

You ARE aware "rights" are an arbitrary value made up by humans, right? We can make any darned thing we want into "rights."

I happen to think that declaring food, shelter, clothing, education and communication as "human rights" is a good idea ... and we could even do it, now. Why not? We can do anything we want to.

Why not? Profit motive.

I happen to think that declaring food, shelter, clothing, education and communication as "human rights" is a good idea ... and we could even do it, now. Why not? We can do anything we want to.

a reply to: Baddogma



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great idea. i think it'll work out fine. the people receiving a basic income will spend that money locally, and stimulate the economy, not stash it in offshore accounts so they can have more, and more, and more, and more money, like the greedy rich folks do.

a reply to: RoScoLaz5

If you mean cause inflation to run at double digits or more, then yes.

Basically production builds strong economies not printing money.

a reply to: Baddogma

That's kind of a perversion of the philosophy behind natural rights. Humanists turned natural rights into rights for the greater good while never identifying the greater evil.

Natural rights are those rights imbued to a person based on the fact they are created in God's Image. They have the right to speak their mind freely without fear of repercussion from government or others, they have the right to worship any god or religion they see fit except those that might infringe on other people's rights, they have the right to defend themselves with equal force and countermeasure to their aggressors, etc.

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: neo96

Because corporate products,and free money are NOT human rights.

You ARE aware "rights" are an arbitrary value made up by humans, right? We can make any darned thing we want into "rights."

I happen to think that declaring food, shelter, clothing, education and communication as "human rights" is a good idea ... and we could even do it, now. Why not? We can do anything we want to.

I like Brisket, remove the cap, but leave at least 1/4' for flavor, ribs, baked beans, and some sweet corn, and do some blueberry cheese cake. That's just for my dinner, there is still 2 more meals you will need to make me each day.
It's a little chilly, now nit me a sweater please.
When, you are done with that, you will need to build me a nice contemporary walk-out ranch.
When you get done building my home, I am going to go ahead and ask you to run some wires from it to everyone else's.

Call me when your done,

Thanks,

Mandroid

No seriously it sounds good, but everything you listed takes massive time, skill and labor.

This topic is retarded.

How about not taking the money in the first place?

Like 50% of our fn income after all scam taxes combined.

NO, how about an allowance children?

I am already renting my house from the city, and was hit with a 1600 tax increase because my county has another yearly crisis.

The police are broke in their 6 figure Yukons.

a reply to: JBurns

Realistically with automation, globalization and the greatest wealth disparity in human history set to chasm even further, it's the only way most people will survive.

But who are we kidding? They don't care if The Great Unwashed die. As long as there are enough to keep them in luxury and ego, they give two sh**s. Their pets will get the basics and the rest of us can drop dead as quietly and unobtrusively as possible thankyouverymuch.

a reply to: Mandroid7

You have the right to bear arms. How many free, government provided, guns have you got in your house?

No seriously it sounds good, but everything you listed takes massive time, skill and labor.

Which is why we pool our resources together to lessen the load on everyone, just like taxes.

a reply to: JBurns
I'm interested to see how it will play-out as well for that country.

In the US, our whole system would have to change to support this. Likely there would be everyone who does work paying up to 60 percent(which I believe is what the Scandinavian countries pay in tax for their government provided benefits) of their taxes to the government, portion of that would go for the living wage. The other issue is that cost of living is not the same throughout, so much so that now in at least one city that I know of $72,000. a year is low income. Also compare population size of the countries.

a reply to: JBurns

What if everyone got a monthly check from the government?

Not a problem for me other than it should be means tested.

The affaluent and rich certainly dont need it but mind you, I doubt they will refuse it or give it back.

Having the government inject economic stimulas packages into the economy every fortnight by bouncing it through peoples bank accounts and directly into the local economy, will be good for the economy because it stimulate economic growth and provides assurance for jobs that currently exist.

Where will the money come from?

There is nothing to stop govenment from creating all the money it needs for its own uses, to stimulate the Economy, to provide infrastructure etc.

“In 1937 an Australian Royal Commission was set up to investigate Finance and banking. The Enquiry was chaired by a High Court Justice, Sir Mellis Napier. In his summing up the Chairman of the Royal Commission Sir Mellis Napier stated:

“That the commonwealth bank (reserve) can make money available to governments or to others on such terms as it chooses even by way of a loan without interest or even without requiring either interest or repayment of principal.”

Read this to: The Remarkable Model Of The Commonwealth Bank Of Australia by Ellen Brown.

I believe they call this communism been tried all ready.

a reply to: JBurns

Don't worry I think this is going to happen in the US,we will have a financial collapse,then all Rith IRA and other retirement will be collected,the redistributed,socialism,this has been planned since 1953,you think you'll be getting a fat retirement? guess again,you'll get what everyone else gets,we are really f***ed

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: JBurns
That only works in a Communist state with severely restricted property ownership. The only thing that will achieve in a society saturated in consumer marketing is that people will put giant chrome rims on their wheels, build a collection of expensive sneakers, and lead to an upsurge in binge drinking and drug overdoses and the arrests that follow. I guess it would be a nice windfall for the private prison/jails management sector though.

Even people in debt would simply pay their monthly minimum and just keep on buying. Have you guys actually mingled with the bottom class??? They are very reckless consumers.

Stereo-type much??

I'm bottom class aka the working dirt poor. I am a single mom who LIVES off of $13 an hour. It can be done. I don't have one credit card, car payment or anything extra. I live within my means. If I was given this kind of money you can bet your rear I would invest it and not waste it. I would start my little side business and still work my regular job because then I could actually save money and buy a home. Not everyone is wasteful and not all bottom feeders as you call them enjoy being at that level and would actually do something with the money.

The income should only cover food, water , shelter, electricity and internet service.
So people would still have to work to gain luxuries. Those jobs would still be available.

Money doesn't salve all problems. So the jobs that salve the problems that money can't will still be available.
Some people like doing things that you and I would consider a job. So those types of jobs would still be around, example: Robot designers.

With more free time humans would become more social and family oriented. We would become more engaged in our hobbies (also a job type) and our art. Imagine the beauty that the human race could create if we devoted 8 hours a day to our art.

If the experiment is a success and becomes a permanent part of finland I will be moving there . So that I can live the majority of my life doing the things I love , like we all were meant to do.

Just giving people money for nothing promotes bad work and societal ethics. Promotes entitlement.

Has anyone else noticed the quality of german cars has dropped exponentially over the last few years?
Cause.
Effect.

Money equates to 'freedom'.
The more money one has the easier it is to gain greater 'freedoms'.

If you want popcorn while watching movies in the cinema you are free to acquire that considering the ability to pay the price.
If you want to build a theater in your own home with it's own popcorn popper, money allows that.

Freedom comes at a cost.

A man's character/integrity is measured by his salary and what he does with it.

People have got to realize that the banks print our money from debt, that means the cost is shifted to the future. If they print up money for a universal income, then the cost is just shifted to the future meaning less opportunity for everyone in the future.

Banks do not care about welfare, in fact they created it under the socialist programs of Otto Von Bismark in the mid 1800's as a way to increase the public debt from which they garner interest. It's a war really, as all wars are bankers wars all wars against production, frugality, thrift, honesty are bankers wars as well.

If you want a universal income then demand the government split apart the private economy from the government economy so that the private economy has a chance to heal, recover and then later thrive. Do something like this:

4 pronged solution.

1) Congress passes monetary reform act, declares 1 Treasury Note = 1 Federal Reserve Note. Within the reform act TRNs are declared "lawful money" along with the FRN, and gold or silver or whatever people want to use as money.

2) Establish the TRN onto the currency markets and let it float in relation to all other currencies and gold or silver. Then, the markets decide what state currency is worth, not the central banks and their established crony network.

3) Treasury prints greenbacks, non-interest bearing currency to pay all social security, welfare, federal worker pensions, and the rest of government. They also begin to liquidate the national debt denominated in FRNs at some established rate of liquidation, say 2% a year. They can print whatever TRNs are necessary to liquidate the entire debt and then nationalize the paper banking industry.

4) Government constructs thorium nuclear reactors, produces energy and sells into the market priced in treasury notes. So, the power won't be a free market, but it will "back" the printing. But by legalizing all currencies, the government doesn't have to tax any more, they support themselves by printing TRNs and the market prices the value of their currency accordingly.