Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

sounds like a mechanism behind how curses and spells could work. any defense against this sort of thing. I've seen via martial arts aquaintences many rare and isoteric practices stemming from shamans, 'chi gong' experts and Javanese witch doctors verifiable results from such things. including one instance I'll share with you in private that happened to one person in a certain community that was starting feuds with others versed in this sorta stuff that had a very dark outcome. any way to 'appease' the spirits or boltzmann brains to prevent such warfare.

anyways I realize this is off topic but interesting none the less. my apologies to mirageman and the thread topic in general. but my next set of questions in my next post will get back on topic and harken back to the OP and the supposed reversed engineered alien (?) psychotronic weapon the French researcher was said to be in possession of.

questions like how with such a tiny budget were they able to successfully reverse engineer and then manufacture such a weapon. and if any of that ties into what's going on with skinwalker ranch, the secrecy behind it and potential dovetailing with any boltzmann brain related research.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: KellyPrettyBearMaybe we can talk about "Kundalini" sometime.

Hopefully not much more.

Hey my advice, stay away from the meditation and kundalini sheites. Stick to your Church instead

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: BASSPLYR

If the "spirits" don't want to play .. nothing happens.

When they do.. stuff happens.

Only we don't know what their agenda really is.

Eat, reproduce, share,control. We can narrow it down. Only one of those sounds pleasant in the least..

yep, I reported it to the Australian equivelent, with maps and drawings. We had someone take on the case, he met with us several times. He was very intrigued due to the closeness and length of our encounter. He was a great investigator.... not big on the woo though. We never found any explanations. All possible explanations were thoroughly explored.

So this came out a few days ago.
www.bostonglobe.com... /story.html

Some take aways:
1) Underwater object.
2) The 2004 footage is apparently from a third aircraft, not the two that intercepted.

More fighters were launched and, while they didn’t see it with the naked eye, one crew saw it on their radar and video screens, he said. A copy of the video has been released by the Defense Department. (A second video released by the government shows a different encounter on the East Coast, Fravor said.)

3) Why does Fravor know where GIMBAL was shot?
4) Elizondo only got in touch in the last several months. Uh what?

a reply to: 1ofthe9

Wooah- broken source.





Boston Globe Fixed Source

The comment I find telling is

.... he was surprised at the lack of curiosity the Defense Department showed about the encounter, which happened in an area well-known as a Navy training ground.

“I figured someone would come out,” he said. After all, they’d been tracking the objects for two weeks and surely a debriefing would be in order. But no one ever did.

Fravor said if a foreign submarine had surfaced behind a carrier in the area, dire alarms would have been raised and questions would have been asked about how it had penetrated the Navy’s defense.

“And yet now you have many of these objects, like a dozen of them, that are just, at will, just showing up, doing whatever they want, and going away and you can do nothing about it. And no one asks any questions,” he said.

Other military witnesses have claimed similar experiences down the years. So it tends to suggest that someone higher up the command chain actually does know what these objects are.

a reply to: mirageman

They can't catch the woo in a butterfly net either, so being very practical
they just blow it off. It's not like it interferes with nuclear devices or
anything..

If you antagonize 'it' then you might rile it up.. so it's best to just
put your fingers in your ears, close your eyes tight and say, "i do not
see an orange orb. I do not see an orange orb".

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

The craft were described as white and tic-tac like in shape in this case. So who decides that it's not secret technology from a potential enemy?

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

The craft were described as white and tic-tac like in shape in this case. So who decides that it's not secret technology from a potential enemy?

That's a great question, to which I have no answer.

Do these guys have a "PK" meter like on Ghost Busters?

My previous answer was slightly "flippant".

The more serious thing I want to say, is that this "sort of stuff" seems to have been happening
since "foo fighters". I'm presuming the gubmit pretty much blows off "foo fighters" as there is
60 years of anecdotal evidence to not really worry about those sort of effects.

But "silvery disks" - you got me there.. of course (supposedly) the same phenomenon can
respond that way as well... but your question ... very on-target and appropriate.

I don't know. Wish I did.

Maybe the radar signatures are markedly different, between "foo" and "disk" and
"real". Would be very good to know.

There may also be "standing orders" to be followed from WWII. I'd love for someone
to FOIA that and actually get something.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

There may also be "standing orders" to be followed from WWII. I'd love for someone to FOIA that and actually get something.

I don't think the foo fighters were really thought about as anything but ball lightning or a secret weapon by the axis powers during the war It has only been with hindsight that we look back upon those reports as UFOs. But there was an interesting file compiled by a guy called David T.Griggs . He thought there was more to it than that but alas his reports were never found.

Also back in the late 1940s aircraft were falling out of the sky all the time despite the war being over. Andy Kissner postulated that this was due to the UFO wave of 1947 and encounters were often proving fatal.


c. "Need to Know - Timothy Good"

Then a year later Thomas Mantell was killed chasing a UFO. Things got even more heated in 1952 when there were numerous flaps and UFOs appeared over the Capitol building and seemed to violate airspace with impunity. A shoot on sight order was even issued at times during the panic created.

Now we could look back at those times with a more sceptical approach and conclude that 1947 was just a bad year for air crashes, Mantell was chasing a Skyhook balloon, and the 1952 UFO flap was nothing more than temperature inversions.

In 1970 Captain William Schaffner was supposedly killed chasing a UFO over the North Sea whilst on an exchange programme with the RAF. Again that story is not a solid UFO case because when documents were released in 2005 it was reported Schaffner was killed during a 'tactical evaluation'.

So what I am illustrating here is that there was no definite stand-down order issued during the early post war years. It is also possible that, as in Schaffner's case, pilots are simply unaware that they are being evaluated in test situations. Then they report what are supposedly UFO/UAPs.

a reply to: mirageman

Are you arguing from both sides of the argument then?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yes - I am saying that it seems there are occasions when the UFOs are recognised as a possible threat and are engaged by fighter aircraft. On other occasions a test is being conducted, military personnel are not informed about this and the circumstances surrounding the test, like any engagement by fighters, may never be revealed due to national security issues.

So bringing this all on topic. What we now know is that there was an "Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program" instigated in 2007. However the specific case that has been released comes from 2004. The pilot, Fravor, was not interviewed until recently by Elizondo (13 years later to be exact and before AATIP had even began).

“....I figured someone would come out,” he said. After all, they’d been tracking the objects for two weeks and surely a debriefing would be in order. But no one ever did.....

Over the years, it became just a funny story that he would tell friends — until he was contacted several months ago by Luis Elizondo, the man who once headed the Pentagon program, who asked him to tell his story to the Times.

Elizondo worked on a project to identify Aerial Threats so why is he looking at an even from 2004? OK it may have been a potential threat and had the best evidence. But what's suspect is that he didn't speak to the pilot until 2017 just before he's about to leave for "The Stars" academy and around 5 years after all the funding dried up.

So next "To the Stars Academy" release a video from this case on their website.

There's something not quite sitting right with this whole story to me.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

There may also be "standing orders" to be followed from WWII. I'd love for someone to FOIA that and actually get something.

The Philadelphia experiment left a lot of the crew members of the Eldridge insane.
What if the disclosure requires screening out people with inflexible world views?

a reply to: Cauliflower

Nearly everyone has inflexible worldviews.

a reply to: mirageman

Elizondo sure gets a lot of heat.

And he has that mournful, someone shot my puppy look on his face,
like he knows the rest of his life will be crap.

I wonder if he realizes the full extent to which he (may) be a
human sacrifice?

And if he "went looking for trouble" then found it... he must kick
himself every morning before going to "work".

Kev

originally posted by: Cauliflower
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

There may also be "standing orders" to be followed from WWII. I'd love for someone to FOIA that and actually get something.

The Philadelphia experiment left a lot of the crew members of the Eldridge insane.
What if the disclosure requires screening out people with inflexible world views?

Can you give us a few names of the crew who went insane and a source for that?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Elizondo sure gets a lot of heat.

Well he's decided to play with matches.

But he seems to have usurped DeLonge (who hardly got a mention) as the face and voice of the "To the Stars" project for the more sober media outlets.

a reply to: mirageman

(I really don't have a comment, but somehow or other it feels rude to spend a couple of evenings in bed with my tablet reading this thread, and never even bother to tell you guys how much I ♥ it. The OP, the other posters, all of it.)
Wonderful, wonderful thread.) *slides out the same way I slid in*

The Metabunk guys managed to get coverage!

Take a look.

Iridomyrmex grats on you and your crew pulling it off. We can crack this yet.

edit: mirageman/GUT have either of you guys read James Carrion?

a reply to: mirageman

“accompanied by a body guard carrying a mystery briefcase allegedly containing "some kind of 'psychotronic' weapon based on alien ET technology."

Hopefully its a point of view gun.