Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

Some more information has been released today by DIA to The Black Vault. You will need to scroll to where it says "The OFFICIAL Line".

A summary of which is

▀ AATIP stood for "Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program."

▀ Bigelow Aerospace was the ONLY bidder for the Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program (AAWSAP) contract.

▀ The original 5-year program (AATIP), was going to be cancelled about 2 years after it started. The had no information is the studies continued elsewhere after it was ended at the DIA (2012)

▀ The study was specifically about aerial threats and predicting what such threats could be up to 2040. It was not a UFO Research project.

There are some contradictions there.

Firstly the Pentagon Spokesperson for "Special Operations and Defense Intelligence" (see same source) had originally claimed the 2nd 'A' in AATIP stood for Aviation. Now the DIA has confirmed it as "Aerospace". Which is what Zondo had claimed and stood by all along. Let's give him credit for that one.

The bidding for AAWSAP only being made by BAASS suggests that the contract was written specifically in terms that that made BAASS the 'preferred' contractor. I will leave others to speculate further on that.

It also seems AATIP was discontinued in 2012. Now if it was continued. Then it either became a hobby of Zondo's in his spare time until 2017 or we are not being told the full truth about it by either the Pentagon or Zondo.

The Pentagon is denying AATIP was commissioned to study UFOs.

a reply to: mirageman

The bidding for AAWSAP only being made by BAASS suggests that the contract was written specifically in terms that that made BAASS the 'preferred' contractor. I will love others to speculate further on that.

It may be that all of this is a smokescreen for the 22 million given to Bigelow for his service in handing over the Mufon files to the US government...and other services, of course. That's the reason Harry Reid was in on this caper.

If it smells like a duck

walks like a duck

and even tastes like a duck

It's a goddam duck!

Or better yet in this case, Turkey

The Pentagon are denying AATIP was commissioned to study UFOs

It may be that all of this is a smokescreen for the 22 million given to Bigelow for his service in handing over the Mufon files to the US government.

This whole TTSA caper is wrapped up in so much BS its literally worthless as a serious UFO research group.

It’s clear it was a part of the deal to get Bigelow that 22 million, all nice and legal.

And sure, AATIP or ASSWIPE or whatever they hell they want to call it was also a BS group having zilch to do with UFOs.

They stitched this scheme together for the simplest of reasons and then they got Delonge to be the con jobs front man.

a reply to: pigsy2400

well, they wouldn't be lying either, UFOs are very very dangerous, just like any other sort of paraphysical phenomena

a reply to: Willtell

i think there is some sort of mutual mind control going on here, the GOV tries to "hack" the cosmic trickster while it controls them

a reply to: pigsy2400

even worse: there was a guy in brazil in 1946 i think who got hit by a beam from a UFO and then suffered gory conditions similar to long time exposure to gamma radiation, needless to say, he died soon after while chunks of flesh were falling and melting away from the bone

a reply to: mirageman

hmmm....
the proof that AATIP had nothing to do with UFOs is piling up, now we have even a official source

a reply to: mirageman

FOIAS have comeback and stated that the program stood for "Aviation" and not "Aerospace"!??

John Greenwalde got this email back from one of his requests that clearly states Aviation;


Two other FOIAS for searches on the intellipedia system didn't turn up anything the first time around. The second time it brought back only a reference to the NY times piece...

Anyone who think that people get too hung up on the name and it's meaning are too quick to judge. When it comes to requesting information regarding the program, it's paramount that the name is correct for the likelihood of any FOIAS placed to be successful.

Lockheed were also stated to be a contract bidder for AAWSAP but BASS won it? Now there is was only BASS that bidded for it?

Knapp stated in a radio interview last year that Lockheed were also a bidder for the contract....now, apparently not! Also of note were the subtle differences in the DIRDS titles thay Knapp put out compared to the official ones?

Considering the topics covered in the DIRDS completed, I would have thought that Lockheed would have been the better company to research and publish those reports since ya know, they design and manufacture actual aircraft and have done so for decades and not orbiting bouncy castles!

Well it looks like some people lie consistently and others not so much.....

a reply to: pigsy2400

WTF?
so where we stand now? it seems that the DIA is as confused about AATIP as we are

a reply to: pigsy2400

Let’s see who comments on this new release and the problems it brings. And who doesn’t. In an ideal world anyone commentating under NDA would have to disclose it. I guarantee that many, if asked if they were under NDA, could not legally answer.

I’m expecting deafening silence and dismissals of this.

I’d love to hear Knapp’s take, particularly the whole Lockheed issue. I have a lot of respect for him and struggle to see him lying.

a reply to: pigsy2400

Anyone who think that people get too hung up on the name and it's meaning are too quick to judge. When it comes to requesting information regarding the program, it's paramount that the name is correct for the likelihood of any FOIAS placed to be successful.

Exactly. Imagine asking for the some or all of the files from Project Blue Binder?

So why was this name not accurate from the start. In fact we have yet to see any 'internal memos' from inside the Pentagon or even between BAASS and the staff of AATIP that are properly headed, dated, addressed and signed.

But this has been an ongoing disconnect from day one. It even continues now. Someone has done an interview with Steve Justice for Mensa Bulletin. Now its not really that informative as mainly speculative. However as just one example near the end of the piece it states

Between December 2017 and March 2018, the Department of Defense declassified three United States Government military videos of UAPs, releasing them directly through TTSA with chain-of-custody documentation. Each video contains data attainable only from physical evidence – the same data points as ATTIP

Which is patently untrue. The US govt. have not confirmed where those videos came from (there is no official documentation for them). Nor have they confirmed they were released through TTSA. TTSA have said that people will have to ask the government about them.

The last sentence there is meaningless to me....

It's looking more and more likely that £22m was funnelled to Bigelow under the guise of AATIP. Now we know BAASS recruited people and let them go fairly rapidly afterwards. We also know that some form of experimentation went on at Skinwalker Ranch. Then Bigelow sold up told us aliens were right under our nose and the next things we know TTSA was launched.

It seems to me that all along here has been a game where little details are changed all the time and nothing is given an official stamp. Nothing is entirely genuine. How can this carry on?

a reply to: humanoidlord

We have to remember who and where the information comes from.

Just one example would be the DIRDS,why is the list from Knapp slightly different to the official list of DIRDS? Granted its literally a slight difference but enough difference for people to notice. Why is that? Why is there a difference at all?

KNAPP stated on phenomenon Radio last year that Lockheed also bidded for the contract, which now we are told is not true.Who told him that information?

Also noted that AATIP has been referred to as AAWSAPs little brother, literally collating ufo reports...but if that's the case then why in USAF manuals does it refer such sightings to be reported to BASS?

AAWSAP was the program that the DIA and Bigelow wanted funding for what would essentially be NIDS 2.0. So they could "Walk The Skins" around the ranch a few more times. I've made my position on this quite clear, it very well could have been testing of non lethal weapons on human test subjects.

Another example of using UFOS as the cover story to hide the real story and real program. Maybe the purpose was to see if they could create "experiences", make people think they are seeing ufos? When it was their brain that was on the "slightly well done" setting.

The only ufos that people saw and took "home" with them were probably due to exposure to psychotronic weapons. Why else would the security guards there need to submit urine samples after each shift and have MRI scans in LV? These MRIs probably took place at the "modified buildings" of Bigelows. IF and yes a big IF "Chip" the security guards Testimony is to be believed.

Only "apparently" when some God fearing congressmen caught wind of the ufo angle, they wanted it shut down and funding withdrawn.

Didn't Knapp say that we would be "surprised" if we knew the identity of the congressmen that shut the program down?

But then he has said a lot of things....

a reply to: pigsy2400

... Why else would the security guards there need to submit urine samples after each shift and have MRI scans in LV? These MRIs probably took place at the "modified buildings" of Bigelows. IF and yes a big IF "Chip" the security guards Testimony is to be believed.

Don't forget that "Chip" also mentioned that he was given a dog to patrol the ranch. This was no trained security or guard dog but a pet dog!! He believed that they were using humans and the dogs as biosensors (or guinea pigs).

Well John Alexander has actually confirmed that dogs were used as biosensors in his latest book 'Reality Denied'....

Among other attempts at obtaining useful information on the phenomena, biosensors were established, namely dogs. There were many stories about interactions between dogs and the phenomena, and not all had ended as gruesomely as what happened to Terry’s pets. Still it is known that dogs can sense things that are well beyond human capability.

Now as we know he has a long and varied career in the realms of Non-Lethal Weapons.

Going way back to December 1980 (perhaps significant?) he penned New Mental Battlefield a piece about psychotronic weapons in for Military Review magazine.

This is also the same guy who told us right up to the point his book was published in 2017 that the Pentagon was not interested in UFOs and there were no studies he ever knew of. Even though the bloke worked for Bigelow at NIDS.

We also know BAASS only paid MUFON about $300k. Then once Bob had emptied their database started trying to renegotiate terms. So draw your own conclusions from all that. But it seems that AATIP or AAWSAP was some form of cover for something else. The list of 38 reports did not cost $22m. So where did all that money Bigelow received really go?

a reply to: humanoidlord


He was Joao Prestes Filho,he didnt melt as the story goes but he had severe burns from a light source,This isnt the only case in which aggression? is witnessed.

some more physiological events here

rr0.org...


It boggles the mind how in this age and era there isnt a global FREE database for all these items of information but every joe and benjamin has his own database which goes to the trash can after his death



a reply to: mirageman



Another interesting tidbit is that there are cases in which 2 or 3 dogs were present.In the presence of a ufo 1 dog turned tail and run while the other acted as if nothing had happened.




And to the topic at hand.What does all this aatip business amount to,What do we expect to get-find out of it?So far seems like we re running in circles

a reply to: pigsy2400

AAWSAP was the program that the DIA and Bigelow wanted funding for what would essentially be NIDS 2.0. So they could "Walk The Skins" around the ranch a few more times. I've made my position on this quite clear, it very well could have been testing of non lethal weapons on human test subjects. 

Let us suppose for a moment that you are on to something.

What would it take, technology wise, to reproduce what was allegedly observed at SWR?

You would need to have a pretty mature stealth technology, that would work within the visual spectrum and also work against other sensors such as infrared. It would have to be wearable, like camouflage.

Some kind of weapon that could induce fear in subjects.

A way to produce optical illusions, either in situ or in the minds of people observing.

Someone on the inside to predict what the scientists next move would be, and so not get caught.

A reason to do all this.

The last bit is the most problematic for me. Why do it at this ranch and not safely in some secret government facility somewhere?

Except if it was not the government doing the testing but rather proprietary technology being prototyped by a private sector company. Maybe because the government failed to show any interest in the possibility of the technology?

Maybe some proof of concept was needed to sell the very idea to what would be the obvious customer?

It would explain a lot of things if this was the case, especially the very weird observation that the phenomenon seemed to anticipate (know) what the scientists would do next to catch it out. If there was someone on the inside feeding information to the ones creating the phenomena, well then it would be rather trivial to take steps to circumvent the scientists efforts.

ETA: I would just add that the camouflage part seems pretty plausible. At least according to this The Canadian camouflage pattern developer HyperStealth claims to have achieved a workable inexpensive solution to cloak a person against in both the visible and infrared spectrum around 2010, which begs the question if this was also done by others who were not so vocal about it.

ETA2: Some more links:
Quantum Stealth
HyperStealth Home Page
Even if this is not related to what happened at SWR this technology is pretty terrifying.

The question, then, is whether there is anything that absolutely rules out advanced technology?

a reply to: beetee

Maybe all of the monitoring equipment there was to monitor the human test subjects? That's why they can say with certainty, that nothing much was caught on camera. Unless they were hoping that the test subjects hallucinations would physically manifest somehow, but I am speculating at best there.

In terms of the "how" they did this, there maybe some element of truth to these "experiencer" groups. The slight difference being that these select groups of people are more prone to changes and fluctuations in local EMF or being zapped with them purposely, which would result in them having God / alien experiences. Maybe creating a "Persinger Field" over a larger area than just a helmet?!?

The reason for the chosen place is also an interesting point BT, maybe there are places in the world where the world is genuinely "thin" or in scientific terms, stronger / weaker areas of the planets EMF. Maybe these areas are better to do such experiments than a dry desert in Nevada and therefore a better chance of success.

I think there are nuggets of potential truth hidden within, but then written off when the UFO angle comes into play and muddied just enough to seem like nonsense.

I find the things that Annie Jacobsen has discussed before in terms of DARPA related experiments very interesting and there may be a link to the whole "computer-brain" interface aspect. Most of these projects are out in the open but they are hidden as "helping people with limb amputation" or something that seems charitable like that, when the actual programs goals are considerably darker.

Whats interesting as I said, is that they hide them in plain sight these days, this isn't just ATS talk, here:

DARPA and the Brain Initiative

It mentions;

Hand Proprioception and Touch Interfaces (HAPTIX) The HAPTIX program aims to create fully implantable, modular and reconfigurable neural-interface microsystems that communicate wirelessly with external modules, such as a prosthesis interface link, to deliver naturalistic sensations to amputees.

BUT......there is also;

Neural Engineering System Design (NESD) The NESD program aims to develop an implantable neural interface able to provide unprecedented signal resolution and data-transfer bandwidth between the brain and the digital world. Towards a High-Resolution, Implantable Neural Interface Bridging the Bio-Electronic Divide

and if you want to talk about "creating experiancers" through technology, well I have postulated before that the "New Age / Esalen Crowd" stopped just Omming and got technological.

Next-Generation Nonsurgical Neurotechnology (N3) The N3 program aims to develop a safe, portable neural interface system capable of reading from and writing to multiple points in the brain at once. Whereas the most advanced existing neurotechnology requires surgical implantation of electrodes, N3 is pursuing high-resolution technology that works without the requirement for surgery so that it can be used by able-bodied people.

Sounds similar to some of the things that Tiny Tim Tyler has been chasing....!
Weaponize your curiosity? Nahhh.....

Weaponize Your Soldiers Consciousnesses......

a reply to: pigsy2400

I have my suspicions about Skinwalker Ranch and what it really was being used by NIDS for. Which then got closed down in 2004 because little was going on there (if the reports are to be believed).

As the folklore goes the area is supposedly full of supernatural stories going back centuries. We've been told it over and over again. But it's actually very difficult to find many stories specifically related to the ranch before the Shermans arrived. We even had a former MUFON Director saying the previous owners before the Shermans noticed nothing unusual.

There is also scant evidence beyond anecdotal stories that anything really went on at the Ranch when the Shermans were there. It could well be that the ranch provided a front for the MIC. Maybe they purchased the ranch as part of an operation. When that served its purpose things were wound down again and 'activity' dropped.

Then we get AAWSAP/AATIP and what do you know? Things start up there again. All without any hard proof in the public domain. Bigelow doesn't share much information. Not publicly anyway. $22m is maybe small change to the Pentagon. But where did it all go?

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Moving on to TTSA's shaky foundations. Why do they need 40% of their directors involved in security.

Chris Mellon is their National Security Advisor and his website leaked a few things then got shut down.
Zondo is the Global Security Director. Protecting Tom?

It doesn't make sense. They have no business or marketing directors listed on their website but a bunch of neuro-scientists mainly with links back to the CIA.

Who honestly sets up a business like this? It has to be a front for an operation of some sort and if they don't show their winning hand soon will surely all go TTS up.

a reply to: mirageman

It all seemed quite interesting in the beginning didn't it? There was even a glint in this old pigs eye that maybe.... It might lead to some interesting genuine scientific inquiry and investigation into a fascinating mystery.

What did we get? Videos with no chain of custody, an audio book by TDL about a naked guy with no clothes and an apparel line that included abduction pyjamas!

Makes one wonder if it would have been any different if the original set of advisors had stayed on that were exposed in the wikileaks dump.

That might be wishful thinking however....

On the bright side the "Trafford Teaching School Alliance" have had a considerable increase in Web traffic these last few years. I bet their webmaster is still scratching their head about that lol

a reply to: pigsy2400

Meh, it’s not nearly as nefarious as you may believe. DARPA isn’t some monolithic, be-all-end-all clearinghouse for cutting-edge mind-control research. Nor does it have a monopoly on the human capital that produces cutting-edge (I’d take MIT’s mechanical engineer pondexters or even Duke’s meta materials research department over DARPA) mind-control/brain interface/etc research.

Get some of those Liquid Swords, err, Liquid Science : GZA Takes on Mind-Control and Prosthetics

a reply to: pigsy2400

i think it had less to do with weapon testing and more to do with ritualistic offering if you catch my drift...