Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

Here's an article from 1997 by Richard Boylan (reprinted on Rense but bear with me) where he seems to say that Pandolfi (not directly named except by CIA job function) is at war with his predecessor Kit Green over CIA mind control experiments, so maybe there is something to th claims above that Pandolfi kept in touch with Einhorn while he was on the run:

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It is worth exploring what it means that the current occupant of the UFO Desk at CIA is snitching off his predecessor. Multiple knowledgeable sources confirm that there is a civil war going on within Intelligence and the military over whether to end the UFO Cover-Up. The "conservatives" want to hang on to status quo as long as possible. Their reasons include: fear of destabilizing social order (read: their careers), fear of the public outrage when the harassment of citizens and the criminal deeds done under cover of "national security" get exposed, the need to develop ET technology in secret into super-weapons in case of alien attack, and the astronomical profits and kickbacks to be made from siphoning classified extraterrestrial ultra-technology into insider corporations. The "progressives" feel that the Cold War is over, and there is no further realistic need to hide UFO reality. Further, they believe that decades of information indicates that the extraterrestrials are benign, and that the public interest is best served by the public's being aware of what has been learned from government communication with the extraterrestrials.

a reply to: Smugallo

wow really?
i have kept a close look at the drama in R/UFOs, simply because i got banned from there because people din't like my posts, yet i have never heard of that

I would just like to point to this little excerpt of a mail from Tom Delonge to John Podesta outlining the role of general McCasland.

He mentioned he's a "skeptic", he's not. I've been working with him for four months. I just got done giving him a four hour presentation on the entire project a few weeks ago.

Trust me, the advice is already been happening on how to do all this. He just has to say that out loud, but he is very, very aware- as he was in charge of all of the stuff.
When Roswell crashed, they shipped it to the laboratory at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. General McCasland was in charge of that exact laboratory up to a couple years ago.

He not only knows what I'm trying to achieve, he helped assemble my advisory team. He's a very important man.

Source

Clearly McCasland is important.

Late edit: I was curious where he might have gone after his AF career, and he is at ATA.

ATA leadership

Check out the rest of the bunch too, and what they were up to earlier in their lives.

Even later edit: McCasland joined ATA in december of 2013 so this means he was at ATA when the mail exchange above took place. ATA press release (pdf)

a reply to: pigsy2400

jeremy somehow managed to get from the "he could be the real deal" level to "he is a huge piece of crap as worse a greer" level in barely 3 months
i have no idea how he managed to do that

a reply to: humanoidlord

depends if you include his shenanigans with Lear.....!!!

Anyway....digressing...

Back to the topic at hand, its all quite cushty for these characters isnt it? You "retire" from your full time job and take a position on a board at a private entity on part time hours and probably twice as much money..

cool for some huh!

a 4 hour presentation from TDL...jjeeezzz

I'll stop now, I promise, but just some more on Applied Tecnologies Associates (ATA) since McCasland is mixed up in this somehow.

They are pretty tightly in bed with the US Air force and mixed up in the space effort and directed energy weapons research. Some of the major aerospace conrtactors crop up also, as one might expect.

Here are some of the projects they have been involved with from their "success stories" section:

Angels

Project Crimson

MSV project

Anyway, I don't know if this is relvant, but it is certainly interesting.

Bigelow is, for one thing, also keen on space. And mirrors for directed energy weapons research?

a reply to: pigsy2400

Back to the topic at hand, its all quite cushty for these characters isnt it? You "retire" from your full time job and take a position on a board at a private entity on part time hours and probably twice as much money..

And look at their press releases... A lot of sweet contracts from... yeah, the airforce...

Military...cough..industrial...cough...complex... What a coincidence.

The latest by Nick Pope.

m.youtube.com...

a reply to: Baablacksheep

What's going on with Nick Pope's hair?

a reply to: Smugallo

Maybe Mirageman needs to come to the rescue?Hair style season😁.

a reply to: humanoidlord

Thing is once you've heard one Jeremy interview, you've heard em all ("I like to think it's my charming personality!!) ("Weaponize your curiosity!!). It's going to grate the nerves at some point. For me he started out kinda promising, but it's clear he's only really there to perpetuate UFO myths rather than actually solve anything.. throw in some other unpleasanant opportunity grabbing rumours and you can build yourself a pretty questionable character.

Here is also some information on what Steve Justice was up to back at Lockheed before joining TTSA:

Inside Skunkworks

Note the numerous Justice quotes.

Pretty amazing this guy is now wanting to build a space plane that bends space?

Also, let us not forget Rob Weiss in our cast of characters.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

I guess the deeper you go with UFOtainment the bigger your hair has to get?

Interestingly, this is the first time I've watched The Tuck. He really has a dumb as dog-sh*te look plastered on his face at all times, doesn't he

....all roads lead to Vegas.

a reply to: beetee

god damn...the sr71 was always my favorite bird.....I can remember seeing it at Mildenhall back in '88... wow...

a reply to: ctj83

So either we take everything John says as being potentially deceptive, or we assume the 'group' was able to hide from him.

We should ALWAYS take anything any of these government guys say with a grain of salt.

They cannot be trusted at all.

One thing we all forget is that the US government many times did indeed have scientific government sponsored programs to study UFOs and the fact of the matter is there likely are many we don’t know about.

And the reality is that they have been totally unable to find out what is happening. The UFOs or whatever has absolutely perplexed the US government. With all their science and technology they have been bedazzled and likely that is what their covering up.


So over the years the US government has went to lengths to make ufology look ridiculous. Better the people be deceived than know that the might US government has been totally unable to solve this puzzle.

I would say by the mid 50’s the US government knew they couldn’t figure this out so they went directly to massive disinformation in order to cover up their impotence.


TTSA is just another continuation of this disinformation. There will be no disclosure other than the US government disclosing their utter ignorance and impotence!

a reply to: pigsy2400

i never thought i would agree with friedman, he is the most religious ETH out there, in fact it was him that started the roswell BS
yet i found myself agreeing with him in that video....

originally posted by: Smugallo
a reply to: Baablacksheep

What's going on with Nick Pope's hair?

I'd say he's going for the Bamber Gascoigne look. Universally Challenged and all that. He's hyping it up as usual (with his hair too. But he can now give Giorgio a good run for his money)...

The DIRD documents are a list of future theories on future perceived threats. You can spin that into meaning UFOs or aliens, Men from Atlantis or even Mu Mu land (check it out). But look at who wrote a chunk of those papers. Eric Davis of EarthTech. Hal Puthoff's company. The same Hal Puthoff who sits on the board of TTSA. The same TTSA who awarded a $30k contract to EarthTech for analysing odd materials.....Is it just a huge money shuffle?

Which brings me onto the latest storm over at MUFON. Remember they are a part of this story too.



Apparently they are being accused by one of their investigators of "running extensive background checks in witnesses". The investigator also cites concerns surrounding Pennsylvania MUFON; mismanagement of MUFON media; misuse of the organization by a small minority of directors for their own personal benefit; and the lack of scientific integrity within an organization.

It seems that certain MUFON directors are co-operating with media companies (for a fee) to sell cases to feature on TV. The accusation is that the fee does not necessarily go to MUFON but to the Director.

Of most interest to this thread is a case involving a supposed "implant," allegedly removed from an individual and now under analysis involving AATIP [TTSA] personnel.

According to Chase [a MUFON State Director- who is also a minor ufotainer on the podcast circuit]the S.A.T. Team had investigated a possible case with a witness who has an implant. The implant was removed. MUFON had possession of the implant for study. This is where it gets strange. After all the work involved the implant was given to A.A.T.I.P. for examination. Never to be seen again according to Chase. Chase clearly stated her disgust with how this decision was made and the loss of potential evidence. I am somewhat taken back as to how Chase would let this happen with her background in evidence collection and chain of custody training. To state the obvious, why on earth would
MUFON decide to give evidence away with even a remote chance it would not be returned....

See : Original Document

Jack Brewer over at UFO Trail made further investigations about this by contacting the MUFON Investigator concerned:

"The implant was given to AATIP, aka TTSA [To The Stars Academy], which are the same thing,..I don't know if (Kloetzke) was being truthful about being upset because she really looks up to these particular groups."

Jack then asked Kloetzke for a response. Which she did. Although this is an edit. The link is provided below of the full story....

This implant is a case out of Oklahoma. The witness remains confidential and the case sits in the Special Assignment Team because of the witness request. He is Army Retired. ...to insinuate anything else is offensive coming from someone that does NOT have all the details in this case as he is not a SAT investigator.

The artifact that is still under review... was picked up by A.D.A.M. This is a TV show that is also under a non-disclosure agreement. The artifact did go to a lab but it was quickly learned that the lab would not be able to analyze further. This was the "INTERNAL" rub at MUFON. Now, we had to find another lab.

...It was never turned over to TTSA or AATIP but it was Lue Elizondo with the production company from A&E that picked it up for transport. The ownership and analysis remained in the name of MUFON, in fact A.D.A.M. TTSA nor AATIP know nothing of the details of the implant and are NOT briefed on any results. The results and full report will be released by the original lead investigators in Oklahoma and the Special Assignment Team.

Please see the full story here : UFO Trail

They say there's no smoke without fire. But there's obviously no show without Zondo! And MUFON's directors are part of that show.

a reply to: coursecatalog

the AFU guys, albert rosales, jose caravaca....
there are probally others but they are ignored

originally posted by: Smugallo
a reply to: humanoidlord

Thing is once you've heard one Jeremy interview, you've heard em all ("I like to think it's my charming personality!!) ("Weaponize your curiosity!!). It's going to grate the nerves at some point. For me he started out kinda promising, but it's clear he's only really there to perpetuate UFO myths rather than actually solve anything.. throw in some other unpleasanant opportunity grabbing rumours and you can build yourself a pretty questionable character.

I thought Patient 17 was interesting. He was a good laugh on the AMA here with Robbie Williams and Springer. At the end of the day I think he felt it was enough to just retell the Skinwalker and Lazar stories. But it's not 1989, 1999 or even 2009 any more and so a barrage of criticism came his way and he didn't handle it very well.

And one other thing. I couldn't help noticing your avatar and wondering...