Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

a reply to: humanoidlord

well as for the Roswell "flatbed trucks" I would suggest reading James Carrions book or ask him yourself in the Roswell Deception Thread

As for Eric Davis, he wrote I think it was 6 of the DIRDS, also of interest for those not paying attention I do believe it as EarthTech that were contracted with the writing of 38 DIRDs over a two year period;

"EarthTech was contracted to commissions (mostly unclassified) white papers from experts around the globe as to where their particular aerospace-related subject areas would be in 2050 as a general survey of aerospace futures"

-Hal Puthoff - SSE/IRVA Conference, Las Vegas, 8 June 2018

a reply to: pigsy2400

i don't believe in the flat bed truck thing either, i was just quoting zondo's opinion

I was just watching Hangar 1 season 2 episode 2 . (Ya, i know)

It refers to MUFON FILE # 57237

USS NIMITZ involved with a USO back in 91. Anyone hear about that before?

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I dont remember anyone mentioning this when discussing the 2004 Nimitz.

More data.😊



Witness Kevin Vine stated it had no color and was smooth like glass.

Anybody got an in with Mufon to get our hands on this report?

Seems reddit caught it.

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"I was just watching Hangar 1 season 2 episode 2 . (Ya, i know)
It refers to MUFON FILE # 57237
USS NIMITZ involved with a USO back in 91. Anyone hear about that before?"


I watched the vid you linked, and the problem I have with the story is this: when a USN ship goes to general quarters, not everyone runs inside and shuts the doors and closes the drapes. There are plenty of people (watch standers, observers, etc.) scanning the area around the ship.

And on a ship the size of the Nimitz, that's probably more than 50 or 100 people.

It is wrong to assume the photographer was the only person able to observe the UFO because he was locked out on the deck. That's not how it works in the real world.

a reply to: TheTruthRocks

I was more interested in the correlation between this Uss Nimitz sighting and the 2004 USS Nimitz tic tac sightings. But thanks for your insight

a reply to: Paddyofurniture

wasn't there a sighting, i think either made by the nimitz or another ship in the 70's, where they saw humanoids peering out the windows?

a reply to: humanoidlord

If you want to hear exactly what Zondo said about Roswell at the MUFON conference you can watch it for your yourself here : Video should start at relevant part.

Here's what he says :

Roswell...I wasn't around for Roswell [pulls at goatee beard]...this is blond not grey ..[after treating with #Blondo for Zondo#]....

Obviously to every rumour there's a grain of truth. Obviously something happened. Obviously the military was engaged. They admitted they were. Obviously there were civilians engaged because they acknowledged it. So something happened. Something happened! Given what the report says there was a crash. Something crashed in the desert and the military was involved. That's correct. True, true, true, true, true.

The real question is what was it? And in order to answer that question in absence of the information we'd have to build a case. We would have to go through all the data to figure out what was the response by the military. Was the response typical for a crash like that if it was a balloon? Indeed if a balloon would you have a response like that? Would they have surrounded the area, kept it quiet, trucked everything away? Where did they truck it to? Who was in charge? Who was the commanding officer? Who was executive officer? All those type of things you want to ask. What kind of vehicles did they use?

Believe it or not in intelligence you can determine a lot of things by looking at signatures. So did they bring in army jeeps or did they bring in flatbeds? I'll tell you a Mylar balloon doesn't need a flatbed. So these are the questions that one would want to ask. Right! What was the senior ranking officer on site? Was it a staff sergeant, was it a major, was it a colonel? [raises unblonded eyebrows]...Right?

So those are all the questions as an investigator I'm certainly going to want to ask. And that will help me in the absence of actual physical evidence and begin to put pieces of the puzzle together. So I know I am not answering your questions to be truly honest with you. I don't know. Ummmm I don't know.

This was probably a rehearsed and scripted response to waste time and keep the number of questions to a minimum.

Effectively he says in 5 minutes what he could have done in 10 seconds. He doesn't know much at all about Roswell.

a reply to: humanoidlord

Im not sure HL. But the 1991 and 2004 incidents have objects with similar design elements . The 2004 incident was a tic tac shape. The 1991 object was described like a larger, longer tic tac. Smooth surface with no aeronautical design aspects (wings stabilizer etc).

Both exited at unreal speeds . Bullet like acceleration from static position.

2004 it was theorized that the Tic Tac was possibly rendezvous with an object that was in the ocean. Hence the roiling patch of ocean below it when Fravor first laid eyes on .

Interesting that in both cases it seems Navy brass knew ahead of time these interactions were possible and had procedure in place to either investigate ( 2004) or the 'nothing to see here' in 1991.

If i had the time a cool little research project would be a good analysis of theses two incidents.

a reply to: mirageman

holy crap, zondo sounds like Q anon talking like that! even the rapidfire question asking style is the same, what the hell?
and thanks for the confirmation, sounds like he is indeed talking about UFO recovery, wich goes angaist his other statements that US has no UFOs in their inventory

a reply to: Paddyofurniture

indeed they sound similar, maybe the 1991's one was a early run of the 2004 one? that wasn't made to get public?

Revisiting SLIDE 9 of Chris Mellons Website "Leak"

"Psychotronic weapons"; "Penetration of solid surfaces"; and "Anomalies in the Space/time construct."

Psychotronic Weapons- sounds like the experiments up at SWR (not much to do with UFOs), would fit into the testimony of "Chip" who claimed to be a security guard at the base. Claimed that TS/SCI clearance was needed, DIA personnel were always on site, Urine samples were required after each shift, MRI scans were taken at a facility in LV.

Penetration of Solid Surfaces - sounds like the utilization of Thz frequencies lasers, very much like what they use in terms of scanning aircraft wings for weaknesses during the construction process.

Anomalies in the Space/time construct - sounds like Ol' Joe Firmages Portal stuff!

a reply to: pigsy2400

For those who are wondering American Cosmic, whilst I've not read the book, there is pretty clear evidence that Diane has done exactly what she has told us. The Vatican Observatory Report 2017, lists her visit to the Vatican Archive on behalf of her sponsor. Whoever that is, I don't know.

I mentioned this proof a few months ago in this thread (talking to Kev I think) but with the book out, I think it's worth reinforcing.

I think it's really important that people are aware that this actually happened, and that Diane is an academic, not some UFO podcaster who makes vague claims.

Here is the report:

Vatican Report
Here is the reference to her visit:



I look forward to the book and what it can add to the TTSA discussion!

Regarding Zondos Roswell statement...

The very concept of this supposed IC insider (actually this FAKE Phony prevaricator hired to BS the idea into oblivion) is, as usual, running his phony (I’m a scientist) routine. If he’s a scientist then Trump is Abraham Lincoln.

So what he supposed to do then is bring us along slowly to the truth with all his “scientist” paradigm BS.

When TDL ran his fraud running around talking about "disclosure" he said nothing about bringing on a clown like this to teach us science.


What amazes me is Peter Levenda associating himself with the massive TTSA fraud show.

a reply to: Willtell

A reminder for us.

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The only possibility IMO that TTSA is legit is the following scenario. (Well, maybe not legit entirely but much more legit than the present actions of TTSA.

Anyway, you recall the scuttlebutt that they were all ready to do the disclosure after Hillary got in.
Before I go deeper let me say I’M NOT INTERESTED IN BRINGING POLITICS INTO THIS THREAD…That’s not the point…

In any case, of course, we know Hillary didn’t get in. Now many of you might know my conspiracy theory regarding the election of Donald Trump. It is basically that the very election of Trump is a black psychological psyop precipitated by the deep state… The fact of the matter is the deep state, the people who run this country (and were, for example, responsible for 911) don’t tell everyone what they’re doing, therefore, the agencies amongst the IC who were running this supposed disclosure effort through TDL WERN’T TOLD ANYTHING ABOUT THE OPERATION TO ELECT TRUMP, until, of course, after the election.
They were told, “We're sorry” but we have to take a few years to run this op (Trump as president), and then you can do your disclosure…
Consequently, SINCE THIS DRAMATIC DISCLOSURE IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO A Trump presidency (because it’s a black psychological operation) TTSA had to delay their efforts...

I know that sounds bizarre to some but if you really look at our world from a certain perspective, it’s a very good possibility the above scenario, however unconventional it is, is the truth

a reply to: ctj83

I am wary of a book that on such places as facebook and Twitter appears to promote the writer with a photo that looks like it was taken 15 years ago. It's already a small sign of deception.


Princess Di Then(left) and Now(right)

Also as some one who reviewed a preview copy says...

I didn’t understand this book at all. The premise that since supposedly over 50% of people in the US believe in intelligent alien life, that this faith in aliens is replacing religion in our lives. I’m sure that’s the case with some but then again, some folks have replaced religion by studying Star Trek, Star Wars or X-Men or other pop culture distractions.

The author, like an eager puppy, follows around some true believers simply accepting all the stuff they dish out. This includes, as one example, she is blindfolded, driven to a super-secret location in New Mexico where she tags along behind some UFO ‘researchers’ using specially tuned-to-find-alien-artifacts metal detectors. By gum, they do find some but maybe not after all. Seeded, anyone?

That’s right at the beginning of the book. The rest is similar where she simply swallows whole any silly and likely setup ‘evidence’ of flying saucers. The book does call them UFO’s. At one point, a person is said to have mistaken a blimp for a UFO. If it was mistaken, then the blimp WAS a UFO, but to these guys, UFO means manned flying saucer chock-a-block loaded with aliens likely intending on kidnapping you for nasty purposes.

.... The author seems to have had a good time tagging after this bunch of deluded whack-jobs but I didn’t much enjoy reading about her adventures. I also don’t think she’s supported her hypothesis that UFOology is replacing religion to any significant degree....

To be honest I don't even see that employing a Professor of Catholicism to write a book about UFOs is of any real interest to the majority of people. Except maybe to these "whack jobs" with too much money that want to promote their own beliefs and incorporate it with established religion for some reason. At least we know deception is involved in both subjects.

a reply to: Willtell

Zondo admitted he knew nothing about Roswell. He just used certain words and phrases that people would hone into and appease them for now. Also, as said before, if you listen to his Q&A session at MUFON's conference every answer sounds scripted and padded out. Sometimes he hardly even addresses the point raised.

Also forgot to add an interesting piece here : The List Of Studies The Military's Secretive UFO Program Funded, Some Were Junk

a reply to: mirageman

You are on the ball this evening MM.

a reply to: mirageman

Its clear Zondo knows nothing about anything

Another point. The idea that UFOLogy is replacing religion isn't reality.

UFOlogy is still quite rare...just ask your average person about it and all they may know is Star Trek or Star Wars and have little interest in the esoterica of historical or present UFOlogical happenings.

a reply to: ctj83

I'm sure many UFO podcasters are academics.