Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

a reply to: Willtell

He did do a good job of including absolutely everything in a ten minute talk. - You have to give him that.

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Hey, I’m a believer in UFOs weirdness but don’t like government meddling in things to misinform such as I believe TTSA is all about.

mm is the skeptic and his disciple KPB.

LOL

For the record, MM and I disagree about 50%.

I don't mind the word skeptic though.. it means don't make
assumptions without facts.

We could all use more of that maturity.

Kev

I knew you’d like that.

Are you skeptical when you go to the doctor or supermarket to buy food?


It’s true ultimately we have to know anything as closely as we know the things we trust every day, then we can claim we know something

Ah, the silly analogies, hilarious.

If the doctor claimed being an alien from Aldebaran and being able to heal you by remote viewing, and if the supermarket claimed they've got the food fresh from a crashed flying saucer, I certainly would be skeptical.

Results! Breakthrough!

The Australian Road Trip Account

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen

If any ATS'ers live in the Perth West Oz area and would like a few mandarins to try (don't mind the phenomenon slobber ; ) I am free this weekend and am happy to take the trip to Perth to give you some.

After international negotiations for transporting the evidence fail,

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen a reply to: Phage

Want some mandarins Phage?

Successful contact was made with a fellow ATS'er undisclosed person. and planning for the evidence transport road trip began.

The Evidence



Security was high



And so began the grueling trip across nearly a hundred thousand meters of mildly inhospitable Australian Outback to make the drop off to the big city undisclosed location.



Coffee and interesting discussion about UFOs and other stuff (redacted) followed for over three hours.

The results of the evidence analysis

The results are definitely inconclusive.

Understandably, the only person mad enough to eat those mandarins is me.

(Note to self: In future do not use the words "phenomenon" and "slobber" in the same sentence as "food".)

It should be noted that no men were hugged in the making of this road trip. This is Australia! Grown men don't do that to each other. Though two or more hot babes can hug each other as much as they want. And machine-babes can hug too, that's okay.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

If I didn't know better I'd swear you were taking the pith!

Imagining# im a conglomerate fat cat,my mates and i have been making the public paranoid for generations, we make up all manners of fear to keep our somnambulistic disciples scared in every facet of their meagre little reality tunnel. We have you believing we eat babies, start wars and invent diseases, and that there's nothing you can do about it, when the people believe you can do anything with no retribution, then why not!

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Whatsthisthen

If I didn't know better I'd swear you were taking the pith!

Would I do that?

Based on a true story too.

a reply to: jeep3r

Yep, I'ma have to sit down and look at this, might take a while.

originally posted by: ManyMasks
Imagining# im a conglomerate fat cat,my mates and i have been making the public paranoid for generations, we make up all manners of fear to keep our somnambulistic disciples scared in every facet of their meagre little reality tunnel. We have you believing we eat babies, start wars and invent diseases, and that there's nothing you can do about it, when the people believe you can do anything with no retribution, then why not!

So whats the bottom line then?

a reply to: Willtell

Well since you asked..

I'm so skeptical that I don't even believe that I exist.. though I will
concede that something appears to exist.

This 'skepticism' is not due to being a materialist.. I'm not a materialist.
I will grant that matter appears to exist.

This sort of mental framework is the result of becoming healed of the
toxic eddies at the bottom of the bunny hole where i live.. it's really
the desired state for someone who takes lininality AND science both
seriously. My original old mentor would be proud of me.. this way is
actually over 5000 years old.

All that said.. going for the best explanation for the job, that has
factual data supporting it.. a prosaic explanation is often for the
best, at least tentatively...

On the other hand, I'm relatively certain that we all exist in something
akin to a naturally evolved quantum computer.. I'm not the only
one who has this opinion.. but this direct perception (I am a mystic
after all..) is currently lacking hard evidence.. so I would put
hypothesis or theory in front of the observations.

It's perfectly fine to have novel perceptions, claims, or hypothesis/
theories.. but nobody should expect anyone else to concur without
evidence.. but just because it's subjective data does not mean
it should be discarded.. just that it needs more investigation
before the possibility of reaching a more general consensus.

That's a very quick and dirty examination of the topic of being
rational but using non-rational aspects of the mind..

Kev

a reply to: Baablacksheep

dont feed them your fear, give them your laughter.

thoughts are precious!

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Yeah, as the philosophers say, everything and nothing

In this case more nothing than everything.

originally posted by: moebius

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Hey, I’m a believer in UFOs weirdness but don’t like government meddling in things to misinform such as I believe TTSA is all about.

mm is the skeptic and his disciple KPB.

LOL

For the record, MM and I disagree about 50%.

I don't mind the word skeptic though.. it means don't make
assumptions without facts.

We could all use more of that maturity.

Kev

I knew you’d like that.

Are you skeptical when you go to the doctor or supermarket to buy food?


It’s true ultimately we have to know anything as closely as we know the things we trust every day, then we can claim we know something

Ah, the silly analogies, hilarious.

If the doctor claimed being an alien from Aldebaran and being able to heal you by remote viewing, and if the supermarket claimed they've got the food fresh from a crashed flying saucer, I certainly would be skeptical.

You didn’t understand me. I’m saying if we ever get the certainty about the exotic things that we have regarding the mundane things, then we can there truth

As of yet we don’t

It’s the difference between faith and certainty


We have more certainty about our doctors ( most of the time) and the supermarket than the exotic ideas because of experience.

Start trying to think

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Of course people should demand evidence of the exotic ideas; even religion can be termed exotic.

Ill say it again, I know you don’t cater to it, but legitimate mysticism is all about gaining certainty, which involves experience and guidance.

Without that one gets mired in the self-struggle and won’t gain freedom easily.

Or they get mired in theoretical dispositions (new ageism, religious dogma, for example) that aren’t moving anywhere.


As for your existence, my opinion is basically we are more correct saying we don’t exist since what dies at death is basically personality a true temporal phenomenon, so temporal that one can almost say one doesn’t exist.

Let’s bet back to TDL’s problem.

When all his entertainment efforts dry up, I mean his books aren’t exactly NYT bestsellers, here’s what’s going to happen.

One day he’s going to go to the secret boys who have pumped him up and ask, “Okay guys what’s up with all the secret alien stuff”

And they're going to say

“What stuff”

Then TDL will have learned a hard lesson he’ll never forget

a reply to: Willtell

You have it all wrapped up so can we go home now!

originally posted by: ManyMasks
a reply to: Baablacksheep

dont feed them your fear, give them your laughter.

thoughts are precious!

Indeed.

a reply to: Willtell

Well ask any genuine mystic, though I doubt you will ever meet
one in your life.. in the tradition I came from, it was stated that
there might be one every generation or two..

traditions are poison.. though a somewhat necessary poison..
to be discarded as soon as possible.

The argument always goes, that you need to find an "enlightened person"
to help you, if you are to have any hope of waking up.

What that gets you these days is people who molest their followers and
take your money for nothing.. or who at the very least, ride the wave
of self delusion that remains at the 1% to go point.

I personally do not recommend anyone attempt the 'mystical path these
days.. the support system doesn't exist for it.

Kev

originally posted by: Willtell
Let’s bet back to TDL’s problem.

When all his entertainment efforts dry up, I mean his books aren’t exactly NYT bestsellers, here’s what’s going to happen.

One day he’s going to go to the secret boys who have pumped him up and ask, “Okay guys what’s up with all the secret alien stuff”

And they're going to say

“What stuff”

Then TDL will have learned a hard lesson he’ll never forget

They will never admit that to him.

In fact, people like the Collins Elite will never admit to
themselves, that they too are deluded.

None of Tom's handlers realize how they are as deluded
as he is.. just in different ways.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: Willtell

You have it all wrapped up so can we go home now!

Not yet, there's still so much to do and say

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

IF this is the so-called Collins elite then maybe you’re right.

But it may be the same people who deceived Bennewitz, Linda Moulton Howe, and a couple of HBO producers and many others.

They dangle the alien secrets and then say never mind, or what are talking about.