Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

a reply to: pigsy2400

The back of her head! She has been rambling on about "personally delivering the bismuth magnesium sample" for a while.

Isnt she out to pasture yet!! No comment Pig, with her running loose its going to be like a wild pony ride to wonderland.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

I can respect people's work, but any value she added finished long ago in my opinion and nothing much since.

I do worry about her in terms of how she interjects with random questions that are so far off topic in the KGRA show to the subject that they are actually discussing.

Makes one wonder if she has trigger words...

As I said, industrial waste doesn't sell ufo books,TV shows or radio shows. Alien space ship parts do....

a reply to: Baablacksheep

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I'd sure like to read more about your experiences and interactions with the avairy 😊 fascinating stuff.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

By true mystic I merely mean one who speaks from experience not theory

a reply to: pigsy2400

Yup. I elaborated a bit about it here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The Hoff says "They'll follow the data" WELL, they had the data on that material in 2001. So what does that say about The Hoff?

I'm thinking The Hoff (and his Earthtech org) has pulled a fast one on the TTSA team, the same way he dupped the MIC into giving him contracts back in the day before they got tired of all his BS. I'll eat my words if I'm wrong, but if The Hoff pushes the LMH material as something its not, he's going to irreparably damage TTSA's entire mission in many eyes.

Zondo, you're are last hope.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I like the way that one year later they are still making announcements about announcements that are coming about more announcements.

But our #HelpZondo #ClotheLue campaigns definitely worked and he's got so many Primark T-Shirts now he swaps them inbetween speaking sentences.

Right Said Lue!



They've obviously been following this thread hah!. Which is kind of sad really. But

"People are beginning to provide us...things" says Lue.

Nice to know we raised enough for that new pack of T-Shirts... and you're welcome Lue.

a reply to: Chronic_Blaze

Fair play sir, I doth my cap to you...
I knew I had seen it somewhere but couldn't remember where..

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

By true mystic I merely mean one who speaks from experience not theory

Thanks for clarifying.

I know that the 'intuitive mystics' get all the best press in all modern
traditions.. but personally I admire full human beings, who use a healthy
mix of perception, intuition and reason. (not to mention who don't drink
their own snake oil and practice discrimination about self-bias).

Anyone who uses just half their "brain" is a fool. I have no desire to be
a fool. Well, except when I play the fool for a good reason.

"Experience" is considered to be a 'trap' you know.. I get your position..
many modern adherents say something similar.. but "experience" is just
a phase. You have to rip your own heart out of your own chest at a
certain point, that's the metaphor anyway.

Kev

a reply to: pigsy2400

This video is like a psychological pep talk.

No substance

The first words were something about huge expectations.

I have the huge expectation that they will fail

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: Chronic_Blaze
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

But you said you saw one...If you posted about it on here somewhere, could you point me to the post?

I agree completely about outrageous claims, but I put UFO summoning in that category too

Maybe I've been away from ATS too long, but it seems like a lot of people like to talk in riddles here now.

It's really true.

I'ts part of that 'trade up' mechanism that I like talking about.. people put on these big airs
and do anything to resist that BS being punctured.

The "Portal" that I encountered in 1981 was generated by a self-appointed 'high adept' of the
arcane school/theosophical society in an auditorium in Saint Paul Minnesota, inside of a sports
stadium filled with thousands of new agers.

This type of 'portal' to use a generic phrase was perceived by those who saw it, as a rip
in the air, out of which summoned creatures were streaming, to possess the new agers
who were clapping and screaming, asking for the "light" to enter them.

There are many more details.. I could talk for hours.. it's all detailed somewhere on ATS,
at least it used to be. Many on here are familiar with the story.

I myself have never seen a working technological 'portal'.. I have seen few devices that
were claimed to function in that manner.. one built by a guy from Nasa! but I'm not aware
of one actually working.. one would think that you'd need more power than the Great
Hadron Collider to give it a shot.. that's why I don't find most such claims to be worthwhile.

I've only met the one fellow who (apparently - subjective i know) had pulled it off..
I don't believe that I could... well back when i was in practicing form.. certianly
not now.

This is all old news to me... discussed dozens of times.. it was not meant as some startling
revelation. Oh when I was 20, it was Earthshaking.. the events of around that time.. but
now they are just something that you had to be there to realize that it was true.. so of
limited value to discuss in 2018.

I hope that helped some.

Kev

We apologise to viewers for this break in our normal television schedule.

Portals do exist.

When I was a roadworker, one opened in our dual cab truck and deceased children poured through one after another. The driver knew something was up because he complained of the hair on the back of his neck standing on end and he knew because he glared at me accusingly.

I explained and he wasn't quite the same after that.

You guys should pay more attention to what KPB says sometimes.

We return viewers to our normal programming here on the Aliens, UFOs and Horticulture Show.

Wait, what?

The driver only noticed because his hair stood up? The deceased kids falling out of a portal didn't make him suspect something might have been amiss?

And Kev, if you were able to summon a UFO after all that, knowing thats what you were trying to do, why not film it for proof. I know you're gonna say because you didn't nned to prove it to anybody but yourself, but if you were capable of doing it, I assume others would be to right? So why would nobody want to prove this exists once and for all?
Personally, if I could summon a UFO, I'd try to get it on tape, why not?

And the stadium full of people witnessed a portal open and beings come out??? I REALLY want to believe this stuff, but even you spoke of outrageous claims needing outrageous evidence, that story is definitely outrageous. Yet even after you say you witnessed that stuff, you say it is a garbage theory? Why?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

People talking about things like portals and other metaphysical or just extraordinary phenomena is like trying to explain sex to a child before puberty

That’s the best way to describe what I’m saying

a reply to: mirageman

If I chased after industrial slag for decades, then discovered the process to make it
had been patented in the 30's.. I'd be embarrassed and stop thinking so highly of myself..
or at least apologize.

But no... that doesn't buy Zondo new shoes.. so doubling down on the flawed and disproven
premise.. then tripling down... then quadrupling down.. I guess I admire the persistence.

If mean, if you decide what the facts are a priori.. then you have no choice but to beat a
dead horse to death even after the horse is dead.

Quite often with science, you learn that your intial premise was wrong.. then you pick
a new premise.

Refusing to change easily disproven premises is religion.

All that said.. it would be fun to meet "the boys".. I'd even apologize for my terrible
social skills.. but I don't see what that would accomplish at this point...

I'm not a 'cheap shotter' I'll put my convictions on the line.. and if my convictions are proven
incorrect.. I will change them.

Im not convinced that TTSA is capable of actually performing the scientific method.. what with
'verifying their own "evidence"' instead of using neutral third party participants.

Kev

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

People talking about things like portals and other metaphysical or just extraordinary phenomena is like trying to explain sex to a child before puberty

That’s the best way to describe what I’m saying

I don't disagree with you there.

The most that a teacher can do, is to point at the moon.

Or to spend 3 months teaching the student lunar geology.

Both are necessary.. not just the one.

a reply to: mirageman

That’s right no substance. They’ve had these videos and this ADAM stuff…that’s it.

At least, as I said, they could create a decent website or even some halfway decent YouTube presentations.

This one here amounts to nothing.

I don't think there's really much they could do beyond anything already done.

Actually, though, there's enough experience and data in 70 years that they could at least form a hypothesis.

A hypothesis is perfectly acceptable in scientific methodology.

The pretense of starting all over and being so scientific seems disingenuous.


The only positive thing in this video is Zondo saying their receiving a lot of things from people.

Of course, these “things” can be a lot of crackpot material

But look, we're watching and if they come up with something legit I’m sure we'll here be the first to acknowledge it

a reply to: Chronic_Blaze

On the "UFO summoning event", I had given up on it working..
I had no camera or cell phone anywhere near me.. I was in fact
in my underwear taking out the plastic recycling when the
"UFO" flew over my house, slowly and easily discernable in
full detail.

I thought about running in and getting my camera/cell phone/both
but I only viewed the "UFO" for 45 seconds... if I had run in, I would
not have been able to at least mentally record the various subevents.

I made the right decision.

Now.. I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone.. I'm not interested in
anyone believing me..

now.. I did volunteer to two different members associated with the TTSA
to attempt to replicate the event.. at my own expense.. I also have
made the offer to various other researchers.

So I'm fully cognizant that ridiculous sounding claims should be verified..
hell any claims should be verified.

I've noticed that paranormal/UFO researchers with labs/equipment and needed
supplies/facilities/funding are very territorial.. only want to do something if
they come up with the plan. It's an old boys club.

I've written research proposals for years.. there was even a time that the proposal
I wrote up volunteered cerebral spinal fluid.. even brain tissue if they were really
careful.

Crickets.

In the various old boys clubs.. they are all half crazy too.. but they are THEIR type
of crazy..... they don't let in outsiders.. it has to do with the human hierarchical
dominance system I guess.

So in closing.. trust me.. I hear you... what you are saying is quite rational.. and
I approve of your approach..

Kev

a reply to: Chronic_Blaze

Yes but where did these children drop? I assume all over the floor while the other dude looked at him acussingly???

Oh stop. I cant handle this!

😂😂😂

a reply to: Willtell

Yep but TTSA Is the entertainment gift that I just keep giffing.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: Chronic_Blaze

Yes but where did these children drop? I assume all over the floor while the other dude looked at him acussingly???

Oh stop. I cant handle this!

😂😂😂

More Qs that an open sceptic NEEDS to ask:

How did he know they were deceased children?
Were they ghosts?
Or a legion of small undead?
How many poured through?
Where did they go?
Did they simply wander around before popping back into the portal?
If the driver was more concerned about his hair rising than a legion of dead kids, then can we assume he didn't witness them?
Why DID he blame his colleague?
Was this a constant, repeatable event - ie, his hair rising and/or portals spilling rivers of dead kids?



Oh, and Kev - as for summoning, I seem to recall an ATS moderator's thread that relayed instructions on how to achieve mental alien contact via deep meditation methods - if you saw it, what did you think of that advice?

PS: Here it is... www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

On the "UFO summoning event", I had given up on it working.. I had no camera or cell phone anywhere near me.. I was in fact in my underwear taking out the plastic recycling when the "UFO" flew over my house, slowly and easily discernable in full detail.....

And this went on for three days and you didn't tell, text, email or tweet a soul about it until you were out of this trance (or whatever)? Was that due to the state of mind you were in or were you seriously out of it? I have to say I find this a bit, no I find it really disturbing.