Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

originally posted by: mirageman

Rendlesham? What could they possibly have? A light bulb from a lighthouse

How could you have possibly missed that? How is a team of reputable government officials and professional scientists in any way like Project Camelot or zany shyster Greer?

This is exactly the kind of lazy thinking that I loathe about this field. People don't bother to parse the data at all - everything "seems like" something else, which is totally unrelated and dissimilar in every way.

Dr. Eric Davis is a brilliant and audacious theoretical physicist - the kind of far-thinking innovator that we used to revere in this country for "thinking outside of the box" in a a bold and technically proficient manner. Dr. Puthoff has written some great papers in the last decade or so as well - and I looked into his claims about photonic metamaterials and, surprisingly, found that they have legitimate scientific merit: the atomic geometry of metamaterials actually offers a viable method of manipulating the stress-energy tensor of general relativity. The only remaining question is just how far that mechanism can be exploited.

And Lue Elizondo ran a Pentagon program that researched AAVs, for roughly a decade, and I hear nothing but sincerity and genuine patriotism when that guy speaks. I don't understand how anyone could possibly miss it; this guy is on our side.

Frankly, I'm so over the relentless cynicism that has dominated this field of interest for decades. These people got us the first-ever declassified FLIR footage of actual AAV incidents (albeit the floor clippings that the DoD deigned to declassify for us plebes, but still, it's a first). And Cmdrs. Fravor and Slaight came forward with one of the most enthralling cases in history, which has now been backed up by two USS Nimitz CSG radar operators. And the whole topic is suddenly mainstreamed via their efforts.

But instead of enthusiasm all I see is more griping.

Jesus, give it a rest already.

These people have earned a chance to show us more - if not the actual benefit of doubt. Let's see where we are in a year and then decide if they're legit. Personally, I think we're in for some amazing breakthroughs, because this whole story is tracking unlike anything that I've ever seen before.

a reply to: Arouet

The tic tac video was on a German film makers website for a considerable period of time. No chain of custody has been provided by TTSA for the video's either.

All FOIA requests for the forms that the declassification process for the video's has come up with nothing and fravor testimony regarding the the video's was up on fighter sweep forums many years before TTSA were formed.

These are facts...not opinion or otherwise.

Question; why would a highly classified video be on an external accessible server with no links to the DOD?

The video's whilst interesting sure, don't prove nor disprove anything. The fact they "come from the DOD" is unfounded and has not been evidenced, until such a time it can be evidenced, still as interesting as they are, are no different from lots of other YT videos out there, some of which are much better.

originally posted by: Arouet

originally posted by: mirageman

Rendlesham? What could they possibly have? A light bulb from a lighthouse

How could you have possibly missed that? How is a team of reputable government officials and professional scientists in any way like Project Camelot or zany shyster Greer?

This is exactly the kind of lazy thinking that I loathe about this field. People don't bother to parse the data at all - everything "seems like" something else, which is totally unrelated and dissimilar in every way.

Dr. Eric Davis is a brilliant and audacious theoretical physicist - the kind of far-thinking innovator that we used to revere in this country for "thinking outside of the box" in a a bold and technically proficient manner. Dr. Puthoff has written some great papers in the last decade or so as well - and I looked into his claims about photonic metamaterials and, surprisingly, found that they have legitimate scientific merit: the atomic geometry of metamaterials actually offers a viable method of manipulating the stress-energy tensor of general relativity. The only remaining question is just how far that mechanism can be exploited.

And Lue Elizondo ran a Pentagon program that researched AAVs, for roughly a decade, and I hear nothing but sincerity and genuine patriotism when that guy speaks. I don't understand how anyone could possibly miss it; this guy is on our side.

Frankly, I'm so over the relentless cynicism that has dominated this field of interest for decades. These people got us the first-ever declassified FLIR footage of actual AAV incidents (albeit the floor clippings that the DoD deigned to declassify for us plebes, but still, it's a first). And Cmdrs. Fravor and Slaight came forward with one of the most enthralling cases in history, which has now been backed up by two USS Nimitz CSG radar operators. And the whole topic is suddenly mainstreamed via their efforts.

But instead of enthusiasm all I see is more griping.

Jesus, give it a rest already.

These people have earned a chance to show us more - if not the actual benefit of doubt. Let's see where we are in a year and then decide if they're legit. Personally, I think we're in for some amazing breakthroughs, because this whole story is tracking unlike anything that I've ever seen before.

The Elizondo interview that supports the above.

This is yet another quick recap of the TTSA saga, but with a few interesting insights.

Specifically, the major news outlets that broke the story in December had exclusive sources. The release was controlled and coordinated. Everything points to Bigelow, and yet, everyone is still airing excerpts from "the 60 minutes interview" from last year. No one from the NY Times has marched on a secure facility demanding to see the alleged extraterrestrial materials. There was no story on how journalists went out of their way to get the information but were denied access. No scandal about being asked to back off.

What kind of journalist sees this story and just casually goes back to reporting on Trump's Twitter antics the next day?

I have to agree with Dolan that it's extremely odd that these news outlets would put out this major news and not regularly follow up, or even comment on the lack of a follow up. It does sound very much like the media is being controlled. Now, whether it's "the government" controlling the slow trickle of information, or just the press playing along with TTSA's crowdfunding campaign, I don't know.

It does give me hope that there's a media embargo because another bombshell set of articles is on its way. If not, maybe the media will be free of whatever embargo they agreed to and will actually start a more involved investigation.

a reply to: Arouet

I can see you are terribly enthusiastic.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: MrRussell

Argh yes a great reminder is that video clip. It is so ridiculous it does not even pass the giggle test all this TTSA goo.

I do like Zondos black gloves though. Another fashion item to team up with them groovy t.shirts.

Stylish black gloves with a T-shirt. Code 2 brother code 2.

a reply to: Arouet

Are you affiliated with TTSA or some sort of employee or sub contractor?

You seem to lack very simple critical thinking or analysis in regard to TTSA and are very defensive when people ask simple, logical, critical questions.

Claiming anyone that doesn't agree with you or TTSA as being a "debunker" is lazy and not initiating further discussion or debate shows a lack of intelligence, we are clearly that close minded and stupid huh!

I am not a debunker...quite the opposite and have beliefs and experiences that would shock some here on ATS. I just ask questions as do many and so we should.

Within the ufology community, if someone has big claim they need very good evidence to back it up. The "evidence" you have presented is from TTSA themselves, which of course they are not going to put themselves in a bad light as it would damage thier self interests!

TTSA is a very interesting development in ufology that's for sure and no-one would really argue against that...but there are too many unanswered questions that raise too many flags.

The formation of the actual company raises serious questions, some even believe it's a ponzi scheme for moving debt around and for tax reasons. Their formation as an entity is that of an "entertainment company allied to media and motion pictures"

The people working for them have been involved in classified projects in this field for a long time and their motives and backgrounds are questionable. You're clearly a big fan of Elizondo who has openly admitted to working in cointelpro previously! That has to raise an eyebrow...surely! To not question that at all is staggering.

AATIP was probably in response to 2001 to ensure that other nations didn't have aircraft or unknown airframes that could be used as weapons...and uap was nothing more than a sideshow investigation to tick a box that has been upped in its importance to give themselves credibility.

They won't even say the word "alien" outloud....whilst claiming to be a serious organisation they are selling t-shirts with aliens on.

I follow the TTSA story closely as you have, I just don't inhale and accept all that is presented at face value.

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: Arouet

Are you affiliated with TTSA or some sort of employee or sub contractor?

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a reply to: Arouet

How wonderfully ironic...

Have a nice day...

originally posted by: miragemanSo what actually did DeLonge get himself into when he first put on that suit and headed to meet some brass in the Pentagon? What do the MIC get out this? There was obviously an agenda at play. Whether he understood the subtleties or not, these people weren't interested in swapping UFO stories with him.

Ah yes, the "trickster" non-argument.

And that's the key point: a "cosmic trickster" isn't an explanation at all - it's just substituting one unexplained mystery (AAV sightings) with a different unexplained mystery (a supernatural quasi-governmental force performing feats of magic in our skies).

You can't call it "an explanation," because it sheds no understanding at all upon the subject. In fact, it does just the opposite: for the cosmic trickster hypothesis to be correct, we have to throw out pretty much everything we know about physics, evolution, archaeology, and abandon analytical reasoning altogether...and instead go back to Dark Ages thinking where magical invisible omnipotent entities from spiritual realms go around toying with people (apparently because omnipotent supernatural beings have nothing better to do with their time than prank the local primates).

It's such a silly idea that I'm stunned that anyone in the modern world with a third grade level of education could even casually entertain it.

It's like the crazy idea I've heard from the most deeply fundamentalist Christians when they claim that Satan buried dinosaur bones in the ground to undermine people's faith in the Bible. The cosmic trickster in this case just replaces Satan as the supernatural agent, and UFOs take the place of dinosaur bones - but it's the same awful, irrational thinking.

And the only arguments I hear from advocates of this dopey idea, is that the ETH is "overdone" and "lots of zany people believe in it."

But the same thing could be said of the theory of evolution: it's all that those dang biologists seem to talk about, and a lot of kooky people believe in evolution too. Note that neither of those factors have any significance regarding the correctness of the theory of evolution. And the same is true of the ETH, which in my view is no longer a hypothesis, but a full-fledged scientific theory. Because not only has it made a number of successful scientific predictions, but the growth of scientific knowledge in several independent disciplines over the last few decades has powerfully supported its likelihood as the correct explanation.

At this point, the existence of advanced extraterrestrial life forms with interstellar spaceflight capability is the only rational scientific explanation on the table (setting aside cases involving exotic natural phenomena like ball lighting, and misidentifications). I'd love to see some other alternatives, but none of them hold up to scrutiny, and the cosmic trickster idea is the silliest, most flagrantly superstitious notion out there, on par with elves and fairies and the pantheons of dead religions.

Roswell was the first prominent UFO/Alien event which came into the national and international awareness and starting point for many studying the subject as a real ET event and, despite some UFO researchers dismissing it. Obviously we will not let it go and in fact, now with disclosure creeping in, we return to it even more, to the degree we can.

Unlike some here who advocate either with the physical ETs or paranormal explanation of the phenomenon, I'm in the camp of accepting both physical ETs from other worlds in our universe along with inter or trans-dimensional ones. I don't outright dismiss the paranormal explanation but the "trickster" version presented here by mirageman not one I subscribe to.

a reply to: Arouet

I didn't propose a trickster theory.

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a reply to: pigsy2400

They won't even say the word "alien" outloud....whilst claiming to be a serious organisation they are selling t-shirts with aliens on.


Strange isn't it?

a reply to: Arouet

Why do you think Roswell had anything to do with aliens

Humans arent as smart as Aliens apparently..

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Because it's the modern day "Genesis" of UFOlogy bass..

Rendlesham was the "new testament" and TTSA is the second coming and revelations all in one tight package, all we need is Tom in a toga surrounded by his theosophical interested disciples and bingo..

Ufo cult 2.0

How did you not know that

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Arouet

Why do you think Roswell had anything to do with aliens

LOL

Good on!

It’s off-topic, but I’ll respond to that anyway.

Tom DeLonge doesn’t come off as a serious UFO researcher – he seems too credulous, he doesn’t parse his data well, and he speaks too loosely about a subject of extreme gravitas and scientific significance. Those are his weak points.

On the other hand, his passion for the subject seems 100% genuine, and he’s been building a network of very astute government insiders and scientists for many years now, and TTSA is a bold realization of those efforts, which he has invested substantial time and money and energy into for roughly 20 years, iirc. And in my estimation, he’s a very decent and sincere guy who’s earnestly trying to change the world and to inform the public about an issue of profound importance. And frankly, so far he’s made huge strides in that direction.

When I weigh all of that together, I see a surprisingly capable and earnest guy who’s doing exactly what he said he’d do – get inside information released to the public, and work toward not only mainstreaming the AAVC topic, but if possible, mainstream the science of AAV research as well. What he and his team have accomplished so far stuns me. And I think, based on what they’ve released about the ADAM Project and Tom DeLonge’s bracing statements on the Joe Rogan show about previously performed photonic metamaterial research, that this is just the tip of the iceberg.

If they succeed, they’ll transform the world in an extremely exciting way.

So they have my unqualified support. I wish that more people in this world were making such audacious and credible efforts to change human civilization for the better.

Nope....had to delete this for reasons of personal mystery