Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

a reply to: Arouet

Especially Rendelsham since it is known that materials were collected...noted in the ADAM project.

Yes we are aware of this and I do expect Rendlesham to take centre stage. However, if we go by Jim Penniston
it is ourselves from our future. I am not saying this is correct, but he has been insistent on this one.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: Arouet

Especially Rendelsham since it is known that materials were collected...noted in the ADAM project.

Yes we are aware of this and I do expect Rendlesham to take centre stage. However, if we go by Jim Penniston
it is ourselves from our future. I am not saying this is correct, but he has been insistent on this one.

I am unaware of which faction of which ET species/race that Penniston actually encountered. I.e. the 'Greys', the ETs we associate with abductions and takings, are our future selves. Like them, we have the capability, and choice, to eradicate our planet as they did theirs.

However, for every Grey faction there are innumerable other species, races and beings that have nothing to do with us at all.

a reply to: Arouet

Thanks again. I guess we shall have to wait and see what comes out of all this especially in regards to the Rendlesham case.

a reply to: Arouet

So you’re an expert on all the ET factions.

Naughty, naughty, Zondo doesn’t want you to talk about that

Haven’t you gotten the memo?

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Arouet

So you’re an expert on all the ET factions.

Thanks but your appeal to flattery is flat.

a reply to: Arouet

Who are we today Arouet? Frank camper? MU?TheOd, Shen1987?,.still pretending to be other people on forums and elsewhere?

This guy is a troll and quite a well documented one....

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"If" I'm wrong I apologise, which I don't think I am and even if I am, regardless your abrasive comments to others lacks respect and integrity. It's also drifting this thread with your nonsensical replies, some of which are to yourself?? Bit odd that,.how many people are in there?

The YouTube examples you sighted as your evidence, I could not replicate either.

Note to mods, if I'm out of order here, then I'm sorry, but it had to be said and if so, remove this post.

a reply to: pigsy2400

This is so hilarious: about a week ago I wrote a really snarky post suggesting that we just rename ATS, "AboveTopParabunk," because the predominant mentality around here now is to emulate the popular debunking site MetaBunk - to ridicule/mock/criticize any and all ufo cases and related developments in the press. But I thought that suggestion would be too offensive and inflammatory so I opted against posting it.

In any case, it would be nice if we could actually try to stay on topic: for instance, the Coyne case has absolutely nothing to do with the Pentagon program.

originally posted by: Arouet
a reply to: pigsy2400

This is so hilarious: about a week ago I wrote a really snarky post suggesting that we just rename ATS, "AboveTopParabunk," because the predominant mentality around here now is to emulate the popular debunking site MetaBunk - to ridicule/mock/criticize any and all ufo cases and related developments in the press. But I thought that suggestion would be too offensive and inflammatory so I opted against posting it.

In any case, it would be nice if we could actually try to stay on topic...

...I constantly hear ATSers whinge on about "common sense". General relativity is a theory and every reputable physicist on the planet talks about it as a fact (within the realm of its applicability anyway), yet nobody I know finds that offensive to their "common sense." In fact "common sense" is a scientifically worthless standard. People used to think that it was "common sense" that the Sun went around the Earth, and that the rate of time was a universal constant.

So I don't see the point here at all. Perhaps if others cited actual examples, instead of simply expressing general/abstract outrage, I could make out the point.

I don't see the connection with the issue of disclosure. But having the director of an official Pentagon program that investigated this phenomenon, come out and basically say "yeah they're real, they don't belong to any terrestrial military inventory, and they fly circles around our most sophisticated jet interceptors," is probably about as close to disclosure as we're ever going to get.

originally posted by: Arouet
"yeah they're real, they don't belong to any terrestrial military inventory,

As if he would be privy to information about all the secret aircraft in development...I think not.

Area 51 is so compartmentalized, the workers in one hangar often don't know anything about the project in the hangar right next to them, and you're suggesting he would be privy to all this? It's not credible at all to me that he would be aware of all the secret aircraft in development.

a reply to: Arouet

Believe me, that wasn’t flattery

I keep running across Grant Cameron's interviews about TTSA and the AATIP - he seems to have given 100s of hours of interviews about this stuff since the NYT story broke.

And I can't make it through any of them. He prattles on at a 1000mph and jumps all over the map, mixing up the facts with his own speculations so thoroughly that it's difficult to sift the wheat from the chaff. It's exhausting to try to follow him as he weaves through dozens of tangents without seeming to take a single breath. I can't understand why anyone thinks he's some kind of authority on this story - as far as I can tell he's just an interested spectator like the rest of us.

I think that he's laughably wrong when he claims that each president is in charge of the cover-up: that's an absurd assertion. The President is a civilian, for chrissakes. The DoD decides who has a "need to know" about classified programs, and chances are that most presidents don't need to know about this subject, as far as the DoD is concerned. An insider like George Bush Sr. probably knew all about it before he was even president, but I'd be shocked if the DoD ever briefed Bill Clinton or GW Bush or Trump on this subject. But I guess he wants to push his whole "Presidential UFO" shtick. Yawn.

The whole idea that some shadowy cabal is secretly in charge of the TTSA's efforts, as part of some larger effort in the background, also seems like baseless speculation to me. I see no evidence that TTSA is just a front organization for some other group's agenda. In fact the wave of disinformation that's been flooding YouTube indicates just the opposite - somebody in the intelligence community wants to bury this story.

And I think it's silly to think that UFOs, as a physical observable phenomenon that clearly involves a form of field propulsion unknown to human civilization, are secondary to some "greater revelation" pertaining to consciousness. There's zero indication, by my estimation, that this is all somehow even more exotic than an advanced alien technology that can defy inertia and presumably traverse interstellar distances. Maybe it's human nature to always be looking for "more," but I just don't see it. And I think that the issue of being visited by alien civilizations who possess some seriously next-level technology, is a plenty big enough story as it is, without leaping down the rabbit hole to make all of this into some new kind of reality-bending narrative about metaphysical entities that can alter reality through the power of the mind.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

This is true, you only have to look at the development of the SR71 and the u2 to realise how much they kept the development guys apart, which understandably made their work much harder.

a reply to: Arouet

What makes you so sure and specifically is it that makes you buy into the TTSA story 100%?

You have been hyper critical about many things apart than TTSA. What aspect of them do you not like?

Let's recap!

The revelation of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) that came out in the New York Times last December immediately precipitated a sea change in the mainstream media coverage of the AAV/UFO phenomenon, and the story is still developing (much to the chagrin of nay-sayers, wannabe debunkers, and ardent cynics around the world). An online audiovisual library of media coverage about this story is being maintained here:

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We're already aware of the testimony of Commanders Fravor and Slaight - two of our top pilots for the Navy's elite Black Aces squadron, and their story about encountering the now-famous "Tic-Tac ufo" has wanna debunkers all over the internet clutching their chestnuts.

Two of the radar operators on duty during the AAV flap around the UUS Nimitz Carrier Strike Group have come forward with their own astonishing testimony. Kevin Day, one of these radar operators, described at least 100 radar contacts with anomalous aerial devices over the span of the 1-2 weeks of unexplained events which are now a subject of global news coverage, and Day described the inexplicable evasive maneuvers of these devices: when approached, these devices which were cruising at only 100 knots at an altitude of 28,000ft would drop to a position 50ft above the ocean in .78 second. And when the area cleared, they'd hop back up to 28,000ft just as quickly. That's an average speed of 24,000 mph and a minimum acceleration of 56oo g's.

Suffice to say, no terrestrial technology can perform maneuvers even remotely as dramatic as that.

And a perhaps equally astounding thread of this story has been evolving as well: first discussed by Tom DeLonge on the Joe Rogan show, we learned of an exotic photonic metamaterial that lost mass under exposure to THz frequencies of electromagnetic radiation - an effect unknown to modern science.

Initially I dismissed these claims as a confused jumble of existing reports made about a material analyzed by Linda Mouton Howe, which were known as Art's Parts - small pieces of a what appears to be a somewhat melted thinly layered magnesium-bismuth material. It looked like some kind of industrial residue to me, so I didn't take it seriously - some prank on the late great Art Bell and his audience, I presumed. But then in a subsequent interview, Lue Elizondo confirmed the existence of this exotic metamaterial, and some of its highly anomalous features. That forced me to take a serious look at this subject, because Mr. Elizondo strikes me as a highly credible individual. And while reading up on photonic metamaterials in the academic literature, I learned of a physical mechanism within such materials that could yield a mass reduction effect, albeit a vanishingly small one - it remains unknown to modern physics if this effect could be amplified sufficiently to produce a measurable mass reduction effect.

Recently, Mr. Elizondo traveled to Austin, Texas to deliver a mysterious item to Dr. Hal Puthoff and Dr. Eric Davis:

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We can only guess at this point, but I can't help but wonder: is this the exotic photonic metamaterial that we've heard about? And if so, what's next? Are these scientists about to test and possibly confirm this unprecedented mass reduction effect in the lab?

I certainly hope so. Because this could be the key to a gravitational field propulsion technology that theoretical physicists have sought for decades, to no avail.

Will these fascinating on-going developments bring us one step closer to the stars? I guess we'll know soon.

Stay tuned, folks.

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: Arouet

What makes you so sure and specifically is it that makes you buy into the TTSA story 100%?

Poisoning the Well - presenting unfavorable and/or inaccurate information for the purposes of falsely denigrating moi Arouet.

a reply to: Arouet

I did mention in my post if I was wrong...

What about TTSA do you find wrong? You can't surely buy into everything 100% surely?

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Arouet

Other than terahertz radiation is useful in Josephine style links in modern superconductors. Nothing will come from their propounding on that subject.

You know what's fun watching jack sarfatti email dialogue between puttoff and himself. I'm not a fan of jack but hal doesn't fare well.

Yes I did see all of that . Fan or not of Dr Sarfatti he is very interesting.

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originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: Arouet

What makes you so sure and specifically is it that makes you buy into the TTSA story 100%?

Poisoning the Well...again... unfavorable information with an attempt to bias listeners...

FYI - Dr. Hal Puthoff’s recent comments about this material can be found in this transcript of a recent interview with the President of the Society for Scientific Exploration in Las Vegas:

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