Single-Payer CRISIS - Britain National Health Service Cancels FIFTY-THOUSAND Operations!.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: carewemust

So, British Politicians manage to stuff up their system and it becomes the fault of a single payer system.

Australia has a great system, not perfect, but much better than the US model. It is a National Health system and it works.

Don't blame the UK system, blame the Politicians.

The problem with the US system is that it is based on a single purity of GREED!

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You know ... your excuse sounds a lot like socialism is great but we just haven't found the right people to run it.

That's a popular excuse for when it fails like it always does.

This pretty much sums up the issue. Until humans evolve into completely altruistic people who care about others as much as themselves, socialism is a pipe dream. It simply can't work given the current state of humanity. This is the real world. We should make policy based on the real world, not some future fantasy.

originally posted by: Cymru
a reply to: DISRAELI

Having spent 4 days a week in Hospital for 3 years and having friends working there I can categorically say that the current problem is with idiots rokcking up with flu symptoms etc . It may not be perfect but the state of the UK at present has everyone and their dog going to A&E for the slightest ailment that most people would see their GP for.
Its a social problem not a financial one.

GP's won't work out of hours. I've tried booking an appointment. Calling the phone number refers me to the non-priority 111 number. Even that number doesn't operate out of hours. That in turn refers me to my GP or to A&E. Tried online eConsult but they never replied. I can't afford to take time off work as that affects promotion and contract renewal, so A&E at the weekends or evenings is the only option.

All the other patients I've seen at A&E is in the same situation; sprained ankles, coughs, rashes, aching joints. One elderly patient had fallen over and taken a fall. The whole tribe was there to offer moral support.

But those hospitals converted into homes look like a good investment:

www.ipswichstar.co.uk...

Just found out my op has not been cancelled been brought forward to the 12th .

originally posted by: testingtesting
Just found out my op has not been cancelled been brought forward to the 12th

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You evil freeloading commie socialist!

You should pay a BILLION ZILLION dollars for your operation like normal person

a reply to: SprocketUK

Or families in the US paying $1500-2000 per month for Insurance

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Are you talking about the socialism/cronyism in the medical field of the USA?

Medicare along with private insurance still works a treat in Australia.

a reply to: ketsuko

socialism is great but we just haven't found the right people to run it.

Well compared to Russia and their socialist oligarchs - you could say the USA oligarchs are big Pharma and the Medico/Legal exclusive club.

here's something of interest

wiki
How many countries have free health care?

What's striking about the list is that of the eleven countries ahead of the U.S. in economic freedom, ten have achieved universal coverage. Many Americans on both the right on the left subscribe to the myth that the U.S. has a free-market health care system. It doesn't.Jan 27, 2015

originally posted by: Theprodicalson

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: pheonix358

How bad would it have to get for you to admit that socialism doesn't work?

In Australia its not bad, in fact in Australia in better than the UK and USA. Hence why everyone trying to immigrate there, including me!

I suppose an influx of "the right kind" of people will prevent the Australian medical system from deteriorating to England's NHS's level.

a reply to: Theprodicalson

I know it will cost me around 30 quid for the meds after...crikey.
I agree with others people are going to hospital for the flu and such which also makes it hard on staff who catch the colds what they bring in.
I work in care and this time of year guaranteed we have 3 or 4 off everyday due to sickness.
If it is indeed in crisis I wouldn't mind giving to the greater good and give a couple of pence more in the pound towards her care.
We have to keep the NHS, we have to fight for her.

a reply to: carewemust

influx of "the right kind" of people

So you are trolling....hahahaha.....But speaking of importing people

sadly now they have to import doctors from the middle-east to work in free clinics ( medicare covered no Gap payment ) as the older practitioners have retired or are specializing. The way these clinics make money is by running 5 or 6 of these clinics double booking patients and if this doctor I was talking to is to be believed, underpaying doctors. Professional indemnity insurance is killing even Australian practitioners. It started as far back as 25 years ago in Obstetrics.


as to your bait....let the internet be your friend...but I guess no time for that when you're writing a thread a day

www.humanservices.gov.au...

And, you must be either: an Australian citizen
a New Zealand citizen
an Australian permanent resident applying for permanent residency -
conditions apply covered by a Ministerial Order,
or a Resident Return visa holder
You may also get a Medicare card if you’re visiting from a Reciprocal Health Care Agreement country.

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: Theprodicalson

I know it will cost me around 30 quid for the meds after...crikey.
I agree with others people are going to hospital for the flu and such which also makes it hard on staff who catch the colds what they bring in.
I work in care and this time of year guaranteed we have 3 or 4 off everyday due to sickness.
If it is indeed in crisis I wouldn't mind giving to the greater good and give a couple of pence more in the pound towards her care.
We have to keep the NHS, we have to fight for her.

To be honest I think the NHS is not viable in this age.

And lets face it, the fact the government control makes it a political hostage.


BUT

that does not mean I want a US style system..........


We need universal healthcare, its a right, at least in every developed country outside yankydoodle land.


Which is why we need to look at other countrys who provide successful universal healthcare. France ranks top quite often for its medical care.


I dont care what system the UK has, provided it provides the very best healthcare for all, rich and poor. Something neither the UK or US does yet other countrys do.

I would even pay a little more tax too.

a reply to: pheonix358

The only thing the old system in the US needed was tort reform.

US trauma care and innovation is the best in the world.

Jaden

a reply to: Theprodicalson

Healthcare is absolutely not a right. You cannot have something be a right that requires the action of someone else. That makes it tantamount to slavery or indentured servitude.

Jaden

originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: Theprodicalson

Healthcare is absolutely not a right. You cannot have something be a right that requires the action of someone else. That makes it tantamount to slavery or indentured servitude.

Jaden

Rights are diffrent in every countrys get over it.


Guns are a right in yankydoodle land and not in Europe.

Rights differ.

Dont like it? Stay in the USA with your boom boom sticks.

Tell a European, brit, Aussie or candian healthcare is not a right is about a useless as telling a yank there boom boom sticks are not a right.

a reply to: carewemust

What not have government single payer insurance with private hospitals ?

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

A single payer crony system is socialism masked as capitalism.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

A single payer crony system is socialism masked as capitalism.

(Hysterical laughter)
No. Where on earth do you get your facts from?

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

From reality. Cronies are fed by government. That is tax payer money being redistributed via business. Its evil.

originally posted by: Metallicus
Right now I can go to any doctor I want and pay for the services I need. In England you are screwed due to Government involvement. I love the freedom I have to choose who I want to see and get done what my doctor and I decide is best for me.

We can go to any doctor we want and pay for the services we need too.

We have the freedom to choose who we want to see and get done what our docyors and we decide is best for us.

Thing is, most of us are happy with the NHS and don't bother going private.

originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: Theprodicalson

Healthcare is absolutely not a right. You cannot have something be a right that requires the action of someone else. That makes it tantamount to slavery or indentured servitude.

Jaden

Which is why you have third world health problems in your poorest areas.

You also have a third world gun crime problem.

You can keep your "freedom". We'll take civilisation.