Paid Movie Critics Verses Regular Movie Fans

This month it is interesting to see the divergence of paid critics verses just more serious movie goers in that they will take the time to write a review or even make a video about it.

Case in point 2 movies, the first is "The Last Jedi" love it or hate it, see it and decide for yourself, Rotten Tomato's has it rated very high from critics but very low from fans currently at 92/52 ratio this is even lower than the The Phantom Menace, and I actually agree with the fans on this one TPM is a better movie than TLJ, and I am a huge Star Wars Fan.
The Last Jedi(Rating on RT)

The second is the movie "Bright" a new NetFlex movie that has a 31/89 ratio the exact opposite of The Last Jedi. It stars WIll Smith.
Bright(Rating on RT)

The point is the critics seem to be out of touch with what the 2017 movie audiences want in either new movies or old series.
I just hope movie studios are watching the trends on what people actually want to watch going forward in 2018.

Cloud Atlas. Not even the makeup dept. got a nomination.

So much for Hollywood loving trans folks.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

I almost always go for what the fans say vs. critics. A lot of times I think the critics are looking for the artsy aspect of films and things that most moviegoers just don't care about (of course some do, but not the majority).

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

A lot of people think they are experts on the Internet.

Literature and film study does require knowledge beyond "I liked it".

If some moron on the internet likes corvettes does that make them.good cars? Or should they know what makes a car good before having an opinion beyond anecdotal? What if the corvette is a terrible car and that person just wasn't familiar with a Porsche?

I thought the acting in Bright was terrible.

Bright was better than Star Wars.

a reply to: neo96



My point exactly. Someone liking something isn't a good critique of something.

For instance Justin beiber. A twelve year old may give a great review based on absolutely nothing but his hair cut.

I don't trust aggregated ratings. Generally casual viewers do not bother rating so you get a tug-of-war between the extremes. Professional critics are paid for their opinions. The critic that works for Vox will have a very different take on the same movie as a critic from the 700 Club. Frankly I would use a low rating from one as a sign that I will like the movie. 50% could mean both thought it was meh, or one of them really liked it and one really didn't. Not to mention you have to account for Trolly McTrollface voters. I think the concerns over ratings is overblown though. Find a critic or two that you agree with, and pay attention to what actors/directors you like. Netflix can tell me all day that Chelsea Handler is a 95% match, but there's no way I'm going to sit through it.

They both were crap movies.

In my opinion.

a reply to: luthier

Thumbs down ?

How the hell could anyone give orc's in the hood a thumbs down.

The new Star Wars just made me cringe. It tossed out all the plot points established in TFW, and instead of lightsaber fights, exploring the force and expanding the lore they decided to turn it into a political platform for pushing SJW garbage with a constant stream of bad jokes that were completely out of place.

The disconnect between the establishment media and the fans is obvious.

This pretty much sums it up.

a reply to: Konduit

People see what they want.

I went with three generations of people. My parents who are staunch republicans, me who is a libertarian leaning person, and my son who is 15. None of us felt it was some radical sjw movie.

Personally think that is a completely curmudgeon out of touch view.

But then again I have seen woman and minority heroes in real life (like in the us service) and don't find it unrealistic.

I think many people would be disturbed how pc the military is.

The basic thing paid critics have over the normal population is that they see a lot of movies. I probably see two or three a year. Having said that, I really don't trust reviews from "The masses" either. Look at some of the reviews right here: "That movie was crap!" Seriously? You expect me to treat that opinion with any kind of respect at all? It's your "review" that is crap. It's an opinion not worth sharing because you put no effort into it. You have zero insight. Paid reviewers do. They have the background and experience to be able to "compare and contrast," something you ought to have learned in junior high school. If they reviewed movies like people here do, they would no longer have a job. You can say, "That movie was crap!" all you want but the fact is, your opinion does not count. It's as worthless as Rotten Tomatoes. The only thing that counts is the box office, where Star Wars 8 has done fabulously well.

originally posted by: schuyler
"That movie was crap!" Seriously? You expect me to treat that opinion with any kind of respect at all?

Many people are unable to articulate their opinion above the 6th grade level which is why you get informative bon mots such as that.

You: 'What did you think of the film?'

Them: 'It was crap!'

You: 'Why?'

Them: 'Because it was crappy.'

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

I liked both movies.

Bright started off a little choppy, but it settled in and ended up being fun.

I think StarWars is the latest victim of the recent group think of "It's not cool to like anything anymore, everything sucks blah blah blah." I thought it was awesome.

So when it comes to Star Wars the Last Jedi I would start by pointing out that the Rotten Tomatoes score is not consistent with other scores (see my thread The Alt-Right Trolling Star Wars), ComScore gave it 90% and Cinema Score gave it a A rating IMBD have it at at 7.6.

So the question is why is the Rotten tomatoes score so low, again this is addressed in my thread and I must say I do feel that this thread is just a spin-off of my own thread.

Anyway, if we ignore that for a second there are a few points I would make.

The biggest one right away is that for the most part people who hate a movie (in the case of the Last Jedi) tend to be must more vocal than those who enjoy the movie. I also think when it comes to Star Wars that is a interesting phenomenon that started since 2012/13 when Disney bought the franchise where all of a sudden everyone is a Star Wars fan again. I have been a fan all my life, I was not born when the originals came out but I saw them as a kid and fell in love. I am a uber Star Wars fan.

Something that I have noticed is that in the year before The Force Awakens came out a lot of people suddenly emerged claiming to also be massive Star Wars Fans who actually didn't know the first thing about the universe outside of the movies. These people go with the crowd.

Essentially they love or hate it based on consensus and not on anything else, they see the rest of the "fanboys" hating it so they must also hate it because obviously it must be a awful movie. Seriously how many true Star Wars fans do you think actually knew anything about Plaguies before the internet exploded claiming he was Snoke? I bet even fewer read the book (no doubt everyone who is posting on this thread had read it.... :mnky

I think a lot of people hate this because someone on the inter webs told them that they hated it because there was no lightsaber fights.... or that Yoda shouldn't be able to use the force.... its all crap.

Like all of it is utter crap, all this rubbish about how they broke the lore is complete crap.

So thats what I think, people hate it because Angry Joe told them to and the guy on Collider said it broke the lore.

I could rant all day about this.....

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

The fact Hollyweird paid movie critics to become yes men is a sign that they are getting desperate.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

If you ask so called fans about KOTOR or Kyle Katarn, they will have no idea what you are talking about.

You don't have to be a trained chef to know if you like the taste of dinner.
Movies are the same.
I've never written or directed a movie but I know the new star wars sucked.

I think both sides, as usual, are making mountains out of molehills in regard to the political aspects of Star Wars. The critics, for example, have hailed it as this achievement in feminism. But if you watch the film with an objective mind you'll notice that the filmmakers actually took their strongest female lead, Rey, and turned her into little more than a plot device for the purpose of advancing the story of two male characters, Luke Skywalker and Kylo Ren. Which is essentially the same treatment Hollywood has been giving female protagonists for a century now.

Folks are just so locked into their ideological prisons these days that they see what they think they're supposed to instead of what is actually there.

The absolute state of the new Star Wars franchise. This is what happens when you inject politics into fantasy/sci-fi movies.

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