The 20 TRILLION Dollar Secret

a reply to: Jusvistn

At the 1:00 mark, "cannot track 2.3 trillion dollars"

And then 9/11, and.......

So if Rumsfeld was 'in on it' why announce a crime the day before all the evidence was to be destroyed?
Conspiracy believers never have an answer to that one.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: Jusvistn

At the 1:00 mark, "cannot track 2.3 trillion dollars"

And then 9/11, and.......

So if Rumsfeld was 'in on it' why announce a crime the day before all the evidence was to be destroyed?
Conspiracy believers never have an answer to that one.

I didn't mean to imply that Rumsfeld was in on it.... I just remembered this interview, so i went and found the video.
It does imply though, that there have been trillions of dollars "unaccounted for" for years now.

Which is what i thought the thread was about ?

"...the dissemination of what is called 'news' is always an anti-social and disturbing act; that 'news' consists as to ninety per cent, of the records of human misfortune, unhappiness, and wrongdoing, as to nine per cent of personal advertisement, as to one per cent of instructive and improving matter; that the study of the newspapers is harmful to the citizen because (a) by the their insistence upon railway accidents, floods, divorces, murders, fires, successful robberies, the rates of taxation and other evils, and (b) by the prominence which they give to exceptionally good fortune, the winners of large sweepstakes, the salaries and faces of beautiful actresses, and the occasional success of what are known, it appears, as 'outsiders', [one] is led to the conclusion that industry, thrift and virtue are not worth pursuing in a world so much governed by incalculable chances; and, in general, that the conditions of mind most fostered by the news of the day are curiosity, cupidity, envy, indignation, horror, and fear." --A. P. Herbert, Uncommon Law
an insight... accurate I think.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: Jusvistn

At the 1:00 mark, "cannot track 2.3 trillion dollars"

And then 9/11, and.......

So if Rumsfeld was 'in on it' why announce a crime the day before all the evidence was to be destroyed?
Conspiracy believers never have an answer to that one.

Nobody answers that question because any serious person understands that because congressional hearings were ALREADY being conducted, the knowledge of the missing funds had been around for many long months, perhaps years, given that congress moves at a snail's pace. Congress did not discover that fact on 10 September, likely it discovered the fact before Bush was even elected.

a reply to: muzzleflash

Excellent thread I will try to follow your links and read through later when I have time.

a reply to: Plotus

Wow that was an awesome quote, tyvm Plotus! Powerful!

originally posted by: neo96
It's mathematically impossible anyway.

Total federal spending in any given year is over 3 trillion.

And a single military branch manages to spend more than the entire spending of the government ?

Two times more than it spends.

Someone is pulling a fast one.

$21 trillion is more than our national debt. The taxes they take in are spent, and accounted for. There is only 1 possibility the fed is running 2 sets of books. They are just printing money (authorizing the money) for these government accounts which the government then spends off official books.

So, they are running 2 or more sets of books. Now the question is, where is it going? If it was going straight into our economy, then we should be seeing inflation greater than we see now, that is inflation, real inflation runs about 8.5% a year, because the government has been deficit spending about 8.5% a year since FDR took the dollar off the gold standard in 1933. So the money must be either leaving our economy, or going into off shore bank accounts for connected individuals.

This is why have a sound money is logical, because then the government can only spend so much of it, because only so much of it exists and the money retains it's value over time. The banks have engaged in a very effective campaign since 1971 in 'demonizing' gold as money. Nearly every economist you talk with will say that gold is archaic, it's outdated, there's not enough gold to act as money, etc etc etc. But gold leads to honest accounting.

a reply to: muzzleflash

It's not over there are solutions. For instance treasury could begin to print interest free currency, to make all the payments on treasury bonds, and meet all their spending welfare, military, everything. They could liquidate the national debt over say 20 years, then at the end of 20 years nationalize all the banks. Actually they would be incrementally nationalizing the banks as they proceeded to liquidate the debt.

They could end taxation the day they started printing currency, and legalize all currencies because they didn't need to collect taxes. Think of the 'stimulus' that would provide to the economy, people would be able to keep 1/2 of what they earned the economy would boom overnight.

The only people that would oppose this plan would be banks and the crooked people pilfering the public treasury either through outright theft or counterfeiting the currency.

Article 1 Section 8 of the US constitution says:

Congress shall have the power to:

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

At that time it was gold and silver but since then we've transitioned into paper currency and soon digital. There is no reason why the government cannot either print paper money since people are used to using it, or electronic currency like cryptos.

But I wouldn't worry about a NWO system because the falling energy returned over energy invested ratio of our fossil fuels will preclude that possibility. Everything will soon begin to de-centralize in reaction to the catastrophe created by centralization of that I am sure.

They ignore this bit too:

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

I''ll just add this, congress could also monopolize high density power sources like thorium or fusion and then sell power denominated in the currency they issue:

4 pronged solution.

1) Congress passes monetary reform act, declares 1 Treasury Note = 1 Federal Reserve Note. Within the reform act TRNs are declared "lawful money" along with the FRN, and gold or silver or whatever people want to use as money.

2) Establish the TRN onto the currency markets and let it float in relation to all other currencies and gold or silver. Then, the markets decide what state currency is worth, not the central banks and their established crony network.

3) Treasury prints greenbacks, non-interest bearing currency to pay all social security, welfare, federal worker pensions, and the rest of government. They also begin to liquidate the national debt denominated in FRNs at some established rate of liquidation, say 2% a year. They can print whatever TRNs are necessary to liquidate the entire debt and then nationalize the paper banking industry.

4) Government constructs thorium nuclear reactors, produces energy and sells into the market priced in treasury notes. So, the power won't be a free market, but it will "back" the printing.

People could use bitcoins, gold, silver, tobacco leaves it wouldn't matter what people trade between themselves because the government doesn't collect taxes to pay for operations and debt.

i think the money is taken for:

1. military black projects [like satellite based weapons]
2. enhanced survellience both hardware and software [AI processing], data mining
3. project "space fence"
4. health/body related: scientific research to counteract negative health obstacles, anti aging, and/or immortality [downloading/passing consciousness to a new body or form].
5. fund some type of false flag
6. break away civilization

but im stoopid so i dunno.

originally posted by: clfun12345
i think the money is taken for:

1. military black projects [like satellite based weapons]
2. enhanced survellience both hardware and software [AI processing], data mining
3. project "space fence"
4. health/body related: scientific research to counteract negative health obstacles, anti aging, and/or immortality [downloading/passing consciousness to a new body or form].
5. fund some type of false flag
6. break away civilization

but im stoopid so i dunno.

The military waist money a lot but it's because they rely on everyone updating records from multiple base's throughout the world and they dont.

Cost Overruns. The Department of Defense (DoD) has 98 major weapons systems in its “portfolio.” According to the Government Accountability Office (GAO), the cost of those weapons has grown by $135 billion beyond initial estimates, just in the last two years. More than half of the jump in cost comes from increased prices, rather than increased quantities. The Joint Strike Fighter program, for example, which is intended as a replacement for all the jets used by the Air Force, Navy and Marines, was a $284 billion program – and is now expected to cost $34 billion more. The GAO reports that 80 percent of the weapons programs are paying higher unit prices than originally bid.

Even when a program is being reduced or phased out, the costs stay high. Orders for copies of the F-22 Raptor were reduced by 70 percent, but total acquisition costs decreased by only 14 percent. Per unit costs nearly tripled, from $139 million to $412 million per airplane. (For more information, see “Defense Acquisitions: Assessments of Selected Weapons Systems,” GAO-11-233SP, March 29, 2011, www.gao.gov... )

Losing Track of Inventory. The DoD Inspector General released two reports last year describing how the Army has overpaid millions of dollars for spare parts. For an $8.00 helicopter door part, for example, the Army paid $284.00. In another instance, the Army paid five times too much for a $1,500 rotor part that was already in stock in military warehouses. Sikorski, the manufacturer of the helicopter, was allowed to purchase contract items from the inventory held by the Defense Logistics Agency, and resell them to the Corpus Christi Army Depot to meet contract requirements, at an 85% markup. Sikorski made an excessive profit of nearly $1 billion between 2008 and 2010. (For more information, see: www.dodig.mil... DODIG-2012-004.pdf )

The DOD Inspector General and the GAO estimate that, at any given time, there is roughly a billion dollars’ worth of spare parts on order that the Department simply does not need, but the Pentagon inventory system hasn’t allow for the order to be changed. This is in addition to about $ 5 billion worth of unneeded spare parts already in the military warehouses. (For more information, see “Defense Logistics Agency Needs to Expand on Efforts to ... Manage Spare Parts,” www.gao.gov... )

Losing Track of Leases. The Department of Defense incurred $720 million in
late fees for failing to return shipping containers when their leases were up.
The hundreds of millions in late fees were in addition to the cost of the actual
leases. Senator Tom Carper, as chair of the Senate Committee on Homeland
Security and Government Affairs, Subcommittee on Federal Financial
Management recently wrote to Deputy Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter,
urging the Department to find ways to keep better track of leased property.
(For more information, see: www.carper.senate.gov... urge-pentagon-to-address-millions-in-late-fees-from-leased-shipping-containers )

Losing Track of Money. The Commission on Wartime Contracting reported last fall that there was an estimated $31 to $60 billion in DOD waste and fraud related to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. The Commission further described these losses as largely avoidable. The Inspector General issued a report specifically on payments made to contractors and others in Afghanistan, without information, controls, or reporting. (For more information, see www.dodig.mil... )

Shoddy Bookkeeping. The DoD Inspector General recently released a report on the Department’s
inability to recoup up to $200 million in delinquent debts due to poor, but basic, record keeping. As of
June 2009, contractors owed DoD $3.1 billion. About $200 million of the uncollected debt was not in
dispute and was considered collectible, but DoD offices only had complete information on the
for about half of the accounts. (For more information, see “DFAS (Defense Finance and Accounting
Service) Needs More Effective Controls Over Managing DoD Contractor Debt,” www.dodig.mil... )

a reply to: clfun12345

Those are logical possibilities, however that kind of money being spent on those activities would have induced more inflation in our economy. So if it's being spent on those kinds of activities they must be using foreign contractors, materials, etc., which is a possibility.

My guess is it's just going into European bank accounts of the European blue blood banking dynasties like Rothchilds, et al.

Edit: I mean think about it, they know our government is deficit spending like mad therefore they know that the dollar is being debased like crazy it's lost 97% of it's purchasing power against gold since 1974 when the petrodollar was created. So, it makes sense they'd just route more dollars to their bank accounts to account for the debasement.

There's also an estimated $1,500 trillion in derivatives denominated in dollars, there has to be some kind of collateral for all those bets. So dollars might be funneled into accounts to back up the derivative hedges.

Army Finds $830 Million In "Missing" Helicopters As First Ever Audit Begins

After several decades of nation-building and trillions of dollars missing or improperly recorded, the long-awaited audit of the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) has finally begun. On Wednesday, the Defense Department Comptroller David Norquist told lawmakers in Washington that the DoD’s first-ever department wide audit will cost about $367 million in 2018 and an additional $551 million to fix the problems.

Norquist, who testified before the House Armed Services Committee, said Defense Secretary James N. Mattis and Deputy Defense Secretary Patrick M. Shanahan are in full support of the audit. Back in May 2017, President Trump appointed Norquist to finally put the military’s financial house back in order after many years of delays.

..

And in a preview of what is to come, Norquist told the House Armed Services Committee that an initial Army audit found 39 UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter ($830,700,000) were not adequately recorded in the property system. "The Air Force identified 478 structures and buildings at 12 installations that were not in its real property system,” he added. In other words these helicopters were simply "missing" on the books.

www.zerohedge.com...

They're on it.

Convenient to misplace 39 helicopters. WTH, they leaving them around for the UN bluehats to find or something?

The political cage match is a distraction to the real issue of debt.

a reply to: SkeptiSchism


That is an observation and question that you will NEVER hear asked or discussed on mainstream media.

For the bureaucrat and government official, some questions are just too darn troublesome to answer. They have a conditioned inability to speak the truth.

a reply to: Salander

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

― Upton Sinclair

a reply to: SkeptiSchism

Thank you for posting in this thread. I hadn't checked it in a few days.

This audit thing is really exciting!