New York Times : "The Pentagon's Mysterious UFO Program" (plus DeLonge's new website/videos)

originally posted by: face23785
You could say the same thing about atheism. The only people that are really objective on the whole issue are agnostics.

Oh, I think there's a slight difference between believing in something that can't be proven and not believing in it. There's a reason there's not a First Atheist Church on every other street corner.

For myself, I don't even understand what it is everybody is either believing in or not believing in. Can a person even believe in something unprovable and incomprehensible? Seems like that would be quite a trick.

a reply to: mirageman

Dammit, this thread moves too fast! #firstpostfail

originally posted by: Charly182
This looks like the tip of the iceberg [...]

Might be just an ice cube.

originally posted by: Gargoyle91
Alexander PanettaVerified account
@Alex_Panetta · Dec 18
Alexander Panetta Retweeted CNN
How busy is the news lately? Former government officials say there's a program that tracked friggin' alien visits to Earth, & they've seen beyond-next generation technology, & recovered material that does weird things to the human body and it's like STORY NUMBER 19 OF THE WEEK

It's didn't have the sexual harassment of movie starlets and there was no way to blame Trump for anything with it, so nobody cares.

a reply to: Blue Shift

Also alex is jumping to some crazy conclusions. Just cause they are govt or former govt doesbt mean theyre not crackpots.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: face23785
You could say the same thing about atheism. The only people that are really objective on the whole issue are agnostics.

Oh, I think there's a slight difference between believing in something that can't be proven and not believing in it. There's a reason there's not a First Atheist Church on every other street corner.

For myself, I don't even understand what it is everybody is either believing in or not believing in. Can a person even believe in something unprovable and incomprehensible? Seems like that would be quite a trick.

It can't be unproven either. Saying God definitely does not exist takes faith as well, that's all I meant. Saying I don't know but I'm open to the possibility it may be discovered in the future is more open-minded in my opinion. Lots of things have been discovered that were once thought impossible.

I believe Robert Bigelow has not experienced eye witnessing an actual space alien foo fighter (or something similar thereof) yet...but I believe he claimed that his parents told him that they had witnessed a large ball of fire (foo fighter?) and he's probably been seeing dollar signs in front of his eyes ever since.

I wish Robert Bigelow luck...and I enjoyed listening to his CBS 60 Minutes interview about the otherworlders.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: face23785
You could say the same thing about atheism. The only people that are really objective on the whole issue are agnostics.

Oh, I think there's a slight difference between believing in something that can't be proven and not believing in it. There's a reason there's not a First Atheist Church on every other street corner.

For myself, I don't even understand what it is everybody is either believing in or not believing in. Can a person even believe in something unprovable and incomprehensible? Seems like that would be quite a trick.

You just might have to see it to believe the phenomena for yourself...and even then --- maybe.

a reply to: Springer

Springer, thanks for the input on this pretty epic turn of events. Looks like some of us should have been paying closer attention to Tom after all. I have little doubt that we have some sort of "reveal' coming on a series of smaller reveals.

Whatever this is, it ain't no money grab like some folk have proffered here. Nope, this is going somewhere. Alas, as in all things Ufological, our UAPological (Pronounced "Wap"-ological) heh, the mysteries only deepen as they become clearer if that makes any sense.

Now, Springer! I'm hoping you can help us further: Can you, please, ask Kit for any comment that you could pass along to us here?

That would be really cool.

originally posted by: elysiumfire
vlawde:

I don't understand why there would be religious concerns over this.

There are no religious concerns with this subject. They just want to control and demand through their own belief systems. Religion, any religion has nothing whatsoever to do with this subject, and it has nothing, absolutely nothing relevant to say about it. Religionist do not get to censure these occurrences simply because they have a childish superstitious ideology. Personally, I am sick of anyone with a religious belief who thinks they know better than anyone else, and who insists the world must turn on what they think and believe.

The world has put up with crap from the religionists for over two thousand years. Their time has come and long gone. it is time for rationale people to lead the world out of religion's darkness. Just remember, angels and demons don't require craft to get around, if you believe the idiotic reports that is. No! Religionists can keep their traps shut, and their noses well and truly out of the equation.

Rant over!!!

Read the book by Nick Redfern

FINAL EVENTS and the Secret Government Group on Demonic UFOs and the Afterlife
He tells that many career pentagon folks are fundamentalist who think aliens are devils and need to be suppressed or fought against.


Its one reason according to this book the government suppressed the truth

Earlier today...I saw an AWACS plane (the one with the rotating disc on-top) fly over Montgomery County, Maryland...and after my post on ATS yesterday --- I figure I spurred-on the whole U.S. Army, Navy and Air Force into searching for the so-called 'foo fighters'.

'Kick out the jams'

originally posted by: The GUT
Good to see you, Sir Issac!

Good to see you too, The Gut.



Since our last exchanges about members of The Aviary, I've had contact with several of them. Kit Green has said I can mention that I've met him. (Our first meeting, for a lunch, ended up lasting over 8 hours...). I've also had varying amounts of contact with several other members - e.g. Rick Doty has been posting on my Facebook page in recent weeks.

Interesting times...

I'm hoping to post another thread tomorrow. Finding time is, as always, the biggest challenge.

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: elysiumfire
vlawde:

I don't understand why there would be religious concerns over this.

There are no religious concerns with this subject. They just want to control and demand through their own belief systems. Religion, any religion has nothing whatsoever to do with this subject, and it has nothing, absolutely nothing relevant to say about it. Religionist do not get to censure these occurrences simply because they have a childish superstitious ideology. Personally, I am sick of anyone with a religious belief who thinks they know better than anyone else, and who insists the world must turn on what they think and believe.

The world has put up with crap from the religionists for over two thousand years. Their time has come and long gone. it is time for rationale people to lead the world out of religion's darkness. Just remember, angels and demons don't require craft to get around, if you believe the idiotic reports that is. No! Religionists can keep their traps shut, and their noses well and truly out of the equation.

Rant over!!!

Read the book by Nick Redfern

FINAL EVENTS and the Secret Government Group on Demonic UFOs and the Afterlife
He tells that many career pentagon folks are fundamentalist who think aliens are devils and need to be suppressed or fought against.


Its one reason according to this book the government suppressed the truth

Truth be told: The U.S. Air Force Academy is largely staffed with Christian Evangelicals...so much that I feel sorry for the pilots in training --- coming to grips with the UAP enigma an all.

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: elysiumfire
vlawde:

I don't understand why there would be religious concerns over this.

There are no religious concerns with this subject. They just want to control and demand through their own belief systems. Religion, any religion has nothing whatsoever to do with this subject, and it has nothing, absolutely nothing relevant to say about it. Religionist do not get to censure these occurrences simply because they have a childish superstitious ideology. Personally, I am sick of anyone with a religious belief who thinks they know better than anyone else, and who insists the world must turn on what they think and believe.

The world has put up with crap from the religionists for over two thousand years. Their time has come and long gone. it is time for rationale people to lead the world out of religion's darkness. Just remember, angels and demons don't require craft to get around, if you believe the idiotic reports that is. No! Religionists can keep their traps shut, and their noses well and truly out of the equation.

Rant over!!!

Read the book by Nick Redfern

FINAL EVENTS and the Secret Government Group on Demonic UFOs and the Afterlife
He tells that many career pentagon folks are fundamentalist who think aliens are devils and need to be suppressed or fought against.


Its one reason according to this book the government suppressed the truth

Truth be told: The U.S. Air Force Academy is largely staffed with Christian Evangelicals...so much that I feel sorry for the pilots in training --- coming to grips with the UAP enigma an all.

We'll see. It is many loose ends to this saga.

I think we should hear something about Area 51(na) soon

right alyins!?


Time

WillTell

a reply to: IsaacKoi

Time. Yeah. Sigh. I've definitely and obviously been out of the loop for that very reason. I'd be an ingrate to truly complain, but I will say that you just made my starved little ufo-shaped heart pitter-patter with excitement of new perspective on our mutual topic of long interest, Good Sir.

Including your next thread. I have soooo much catching up to do. Help lol.

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: elysiumfire
vlawde:

I don't understand why there would be religious concerns over this.

There are no religious concerns with this subject. They just want to control and demand through their own belief systems. Religion, any religion has nothing whatsoever to do with this subject, and it has nothing, absolutely nothing relevant to say about it. Religionist do not get to censure these occurrences simply because they have a childish superstitious ideology. Personally, I am sick of anyone with a religious belief who thinks they know better than anyone else, and who insists the world must turn on what they think and believe.

The world has put up with crap from the religionists for over two thousand years. Their time has come and long gone. it is time for rationale people to lead the world out of religion's darkness. Just remember, angels and demons don't require craft to get around, if you believe the idiotic reports that is. No! Religionists can keep their traps shut, and their noses well and truly out of the equation.

Rant over!!!

Read the book by Nick Redfern

FINAL EVENTS and the Secret Government Group on Demonic UFOs and the Afterlife
He tells that many career pentagon folks are fundamentalist who think aliens are devils and need to be suppressed or fought against.


Its one reason according to this book the government suppressed the truth

Truth be told: The U.S. Air Force Academy is largely staffed with Christian Evangelicals...so much that I feel sorry for the pilots in training --- coming to grips with the UAP enigma an all.

We'll see. It is many loose ends to this saga.

I think we should hear something about Area 51(na) soon

right alyins!?


Time

WillTell

Frankly...I don't put much faith in that space aliens crashed there starship at Area 51 --- It all well could have been a CIA Psy-OP as far as I'm concerned --- I mean...it's not logical for aliens not to retrieve the remains of there own crashed starship and crew at all costs --- Get my drift?

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: IsaacKoi

Time. Yeah. Sigh. I've definitely and obviously been out of the loop for that very reason. I'd be an ingrate to truly complain, but I will say that you just made my starved little ufo-shaped heart pitter-patter with excitement of new perspective on our mutual topic of long interest, Good Sir.

Including your next thread. I have soooo much catching up to do. Help lol.

What troubles me (as per our mutual nudge-nudge, wink-wink) is the difficulty in knowing who the good guys are, and who's running the circus.

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: elysiumfire
vlawde:

I don't understand why there would be religious concerns over this.

There are no religious concerns with this subject. They just want to control and demand through their own belief systems. Religion, any religion has nothing whatsoever to do with this subject, and it has nothing, absolutely nothing relevant to say about it. Religionist do not get to censure these occurrences simply because they have a childish superstitious ideology. Personally, I am sick of anyone with a religious belief who thinks they know better than anyone else, and who insists the world must turn on what they think and believe.

The world has put up with crap from the religionists for over two thousand years. Their time has come and long gone. it is time for rationale people to lead the world out of religion's darkness. Just remember, angels and demons don't require craft to get around, if you believe the idiotic reports that is. No! Religionists can keep their traps shut, and their noses well and truly out of the equation.

Rant over!!!

Read the book by Nick Redfern

FINAL EVENTS and the Secret Government Group on Demonic UFOs and the Afterlife
He tells that many career pentagon folks are fundamentalist who think aliens are devils and need to be suppressed or fought against.


Its one reason according to this book the government suppressed the truth

Truth be told: The U.S. Air Force Academy is largely staffed with Christian Evangelicals...so much that I feel sorry for the pilots in training --- coming to grips with the UAP enigma an all.

We'll see. It is many loose ends to this saga.

I think we should hear something about Area 51(na) soon

right alyins!?


Time

WillTell

Frankly...I don't put much faith in that space aliens crashed there starship at Area 51 --- It all well could have been a CIA Psy-OP as far as I'm concerned --- I mean...it's not logical for aliens not to retrieve the remains of there own crashed starship and crew at all costs --- Get my drift?

That’s one black hole I don’t want to go into

But that’s what I mean when I say there’s a lot of loose ends to this—a whole lot

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: elysiumfire
vlawde:

I don't understand why there would be religious concerns over this.

There are no religious concerns with this subject. They just want to control and demand through their own belief systems. Religion, any religion has nothing whatsoever to do with this subject, and it has nothing, absolutely nothing relevant to say about it. Religionist do not get to censure these occurrences simply because they have a childish superstitious ideology. Personally, I am sick of anyone with a religious belief who thinks they know better than anyone else, and who insists the world must turn on what they think and believe.

The world has put up with crap from the religionists for over two thousand years. Their time has come and long gone. it is time for rationale people to lead the world out of religion's darkness. Just remember, angels and demons don't require craft to get around, if you believe the idiotic reports that is. No! Religionists can keep their traps shut, and their noses well and truly out of the equation.

Rant over!!!

Read the book by Nick Redfern

FINAL EVENTS and the Secret Government Group on Demonic UFOs and the Afterlife
He tells that many career pentagon folks are fundamentalist who think aliens are devils and need to be suppressed or fought against.


Its one reason according to this book the government suppressed the truth

Truth be told: The U.S. Air Force Academy is largely staffed with Christian Evangelicals...so much that I feel sorry for the pilots in training --- coming to grips with the UAP enigma an all.

We'll see. It is many loose ends to this saga.

I think we should hear something about Area 51(na) soon

right alyins!?


Time

WillTell

Frankly...I don't put much faith in that space aliens crashed there starship at Area 51 --- It all well could have been a CIA Psy-OP as far as I'm concerned --- I mean...it's not logical for aliens not to retrieve the remains of there own crashed starship and crew at all costs --- Get my drift?

That’s one black hole I don’t want to go into

But that’s what I mean when I say there’s a lot of loose ends to this—a whole lot

Sho' nuff

I definitely want them (Pentagon) to come out with more military UAP footage...and maybe even evidence of UAP landing areas across the world --- Heaven knows...their must be more.

'Kilroy was here'

a reply to: Willtell

I think we should hear something about Area 51(na) soon

right alyins!?

Time

WillTell

Whatever is going on. Whether it's a plan towards to some form of 'disclosure', a distraction for something else, or a even misappropriation of US taxpayers' money that's behind all this. We just have to sit it all out because...

Only Time Willtell.