Star Wars: The Last Jedi, Spoiler Thread.

I liked Klo more in this one Adam Driver didn't break character while filming. Very very intense dude.
I kinda wish Ray would have took him up on his offer.

Saw it last night.

I can respect the quality of film making but other than that ill pass..

Snoke..kill him..not needed. No backstory, no explanation. Nothing character that just turned out to be a red shirt from Star Trek...

Leah floating in space without any gear is my new jumping the shark..ridiculous and silly looking. It wasnt like she was a Jedi Master or a Sith Lord.

Rey lifting that many rocks with no real formal training while Luke could barely lift a few while Yoda was with him.

Some good things..

Adam Driver was pretty flawless.

The opening bomb run escape,sequence was great.

The opening notes by John Williams coupled with the screen scroll will always work.

Luke looking at the binary suns as he died and them playing the same JW song from the original when Luke was looking at the binary suns on Tatooine.

Overall just a disappointment to me for a few different reasons.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
Poe is Guatemalan. That's Spanish I think.

Which would make him a Western European by ancestry, a.k.a. 'white'. Unless only WASPs are considered white these days.

a reply to: testingtesting

I think that is the only thing that brings balance to the force..

If Rey joins Kylo, to rule the galaxy. Wouldn’t he leave the rebels alone and improve things to keep his new bride happy?!?!


I think a dark side Kylo who loves a light side rey, and a light side rey who loves the galaxy.. would be the only way to actually achieve balance.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Only because of some legal trick when Texas joined the union..

For some reason they decided then they counted as white, so were ineligible for 14 amendment protections.


If that isn’t EXCELLENT evidence we just made it all up, I don’t know what is.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

BTW did anyone notice ade edmondson as an imperial officer. the one who said to Hux I think they are tooling with you.
Vivien from the young ones in star wars mad my day

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Only because of some legal trick when Texas joined the union..

They were 'white' back when it was a Roman province. Unless the Western Europeans of that era are no longer considered white.

a reply to: Metallicus

I didn’t find it Overtly PC..


I don’t know if you watch the Flash tv show, but they had a girl power episode recently that was an example of overtly PC...

Not because it had the girls win the day, because they felt the need to say girlpower every 3 min..

Imho I don’t care what races/sexes you cast, but say what you want to say with the story line.. not with way too on the nose dialog..

Star Wars only overt part was the rant about Po being an impulsive flyboy.. and that was only pointed at Po.. not every male in the movie.. so even that is a stretch to call overt.

If not , then your kinda saying that anytime they cast someone who isn’t white, or whites don’t outnumber the rest of the cast “it’s PC” ..

Which I find a super stretch..

Oh and BB-8 Is now my fave droid.
Also did anyone like those bird porg things I admit if I want one I hope the falcon makes a permanent home for some.

a reply to: testingtesting

I hate the porgs and honestly found ALOT of the creature effects VERY substandard..

The opera monster especially.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

It looked like it had 8 sets of boobs but not in a good way.
The more practical effects used on the aliens the better cgi never quite gets it. glad they used a yoda puppet.

a reply to: TinySickTears


I think the whole Star Wars franchise sucks and always has.

originally posted by: testingtesting
Oh and BB-8 Is now my fave droid.
Also did anyone like those bird porg things I admit if I want one I hope the falcon makes a permanent home for some.

I agree I like BB-8 and I liked the porgs but if it wasn't for toy sales I don't think the porgs would have been introduced.

I'm not a star wars fanatic, quite enjoyed the force awakens.. but the last jedi...
way to many plot holes...

Leia in space?...
The whole Casino scene?...
Snoke being all powerful but unable to sense the saber turning?...
Why didn't they warp drive the ship into the large enemy ship immediately? why wait until it had destroyed x amount of transports?
Luke was the whole franchise, Luke Sky Walker, the maps to trace him etc.. then for him to just be a vision in the final fight and to die so needlessly?
Leia needed to die off, she's got no acting substance no more.

the more i read about it the more i didnt like it..

sad, Rey, Fin and Po are the best characters so far!

I loved it, It was breath of fresh air in the series.
Now looking back I'm a bit surprised that Disney didn't go for a safer story.
It wasn't a perfect film, but I think all Star Wars films to date have their faults. But for me probably the best.
It took balls to kill off Snoke and Luke, and throw out other fan theories out the window.
I love the relationship between Kylo and Hux.
And I agree that the throne room scene with Snoke is one of the higlights of the whole saga.

a reply to: testingtesting

I’m not sure what you mean..

I kinda think the problem might be with the puppets.. like maybe for a couple aliens they should have done cgi..

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I loved it too. I just saw it the first time last night.

I liked Luke's transition from a somewhat highly emotional reckless hero to a brooding hermit recluse with a somewhat darker nihilistic view of the force. But I really like the way Luke saw the force as something beyond good or evil. And it was Jedi hubris to think the force had sides to it. I then liked the way Luke's character transitioned back when his faith was restored. I loved the Yoda scene when Yoda burns down the Jedi tree and Yodi comment it's good to see Luke's younger spirit again. And then Luke's final transition to a luminous being through a volitious act of selflessness. I did not care if the movie did not explain the mechanism of why he died at that moment. I just assumed Luke burned up all his midichlorians.

The idea of the force in Star Wars has always bother me bit philosophically. If there force always gravitates towards balance, and every time evil rises then and equal amount of good rises, then it works both ways. There will always be an equal presence of evil no matter how well people evolve themselves otherwise. I would just like to hope at some point humanity moves beyond good or evil to place where the mindset is more about enthusiasm for being the best possible person you can be in terms of culture and participation. So I really like the new way of thinking about the nature of the force that was changed by this movie.

But just after Luke rants on Jedi hubris, in Snokes death scene Ren and Ray immediately return back to the old style force conflict. I thought that was interesting. At the moment when Ren was deciding to join Ray or vice verse, I was thinking maybe there would be 3rd possibility based on Luke's elucidation into the nature of the force. But it did not happen. They just snap back to a good versus evil conflict opening up the possibility for more movies.

Rose and Finn together were okay for me. I liked Rose. I thought there might have been a love interest at the end between Poe and Ray. I think Poe is a good match for Ray. Poe obviously has some level of midichlorians because he's such a good pilot. The scene at the end with the boy and the broom reminding me of Qui-Qon Jinn discovers Anakin:

"His cells have the highest concentration of midi-chlorians I've ever seen in a life form. It's possible he was conceived by the mid-chlorians."

They kind of touched on this with Ray's history. She found out her parents just sold her and she wasn't born of Jedi parents. So Ray is kind of like Anakin in that she was touched by the midichlorian magic from nothing.

I like the way Ray's character transitions from scared little girl always trying to get to Jakku to accepting who she is even though she doesn't know exactly what it means. She decides to stand up and participate in the battle based on her own personal morality and convictions of right and wrong and how she thinks Ren is a monster. She seems to me like she's the new Yoda. She's engaged in the moral conflict of battling views of which side of the force is the correct side to be on.

I still would like to see the series tackle of the issue of Ren versus Ray from philosophical moral conflict. Ren represents a top-down hierarchical view of society. Ren believes in the organizational order that comes from authoritarianism. General Hux is one of my favorite all-time Star Wars characters. The First Order speech in The Force Awakens is one of my favorite all-time Star Wars moment. I'm not sure Ren would believe in authoritarianism if he wasn't its supreme leader.

So in face of supreme leader and worshiping authority, I would like to see the movie somehow show Ray's Republic way of thinking somehow triumph over authoritarianism. Ray's way of thinking is everyone coming together in fellowship is stronger than people getting in line over fear. Ray is promoting democracy and representation is better than jack booting people into submission. I think this is a great battle of ideas. Do people want "leadership" or do people want "fellowship". What is man's natural order and way of being in terms of government and organizing society?

Another possible plot exploration I would think would be interesting is the idea that the midichlorians are some kind of collective consciousness. And that the midichlorians have a malicious agenda to cause chaos in order to achieve some kind of end or benefit. And then the battle becomes not over Jedi good and evil but over defending the people from an aggressive parasitic invasion. Maybe even combine the zombie Apocalypse idea with Jedi powers. Just a thought.

Another thread I really loved in the movie was anything Toro's character said. I loved the exploration of the morality of the military industrial complex and its exploitation of people. I loved planet Elerion and the ostentatious lifestyles of the arms dealers. I thought this was one of the best parts of the film. It would take thousands of Jedi-s to ever get the military industrial complex under control and it's appropriate it would only ever happen in science fiction!

Another character transition I liked is the way Finn went from trying to escape the First Order to actually facing and fighting the First Order directly. I like the way Finn's character transitioned to being more Poe like. He went from being afraid to facing his fears and becoming a hero pilot fighting with the resistance. It would have been nice if the scene when he met Rose for the first time Finn had a few lines where you see him actually change his attitude. He was just about to desert in an escape pod. It would have been nice if Rose somehow inspired him to join the cause in some way. All they did was Rose talked about her sister. I just thought they needed one or two lines of dialog where something clicks in Finn's mind.

And the last transition I thought was really good was Poe going from reckless hero to a seasoned warrior more concerned about leadership and the bigger picture. I liked it when Poe called off the attack because he realized it was suicide. I liked how Leia recognized his shift in consciousness with her "go follow him" line in the movie. Poe is now the new general of the rebel forces. And Finn is the new combat hero.

But again, all in all I loved it. Definitely one of the top favorite movies in the series. JJ Abrams is terrific as usual.

originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: TinySickTears


I think the whole Star Wars franchise sucks and always has.

George Lucas screwed it up a bit. I still like it. Other writers and directors have made really good contributions.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
JJ Abrams is terrific as usual.

J.J. didn't direct this one, but he's got the next one.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: dfnj2015
JJ Abrams is terrific as usual.

J.J. didn't direct this one, but he's got the next one.

I thought I saw his name in the credits. You are probably right but I swear I saw it.