Star Wars: The Last Jedi, Spoiler Thread.

I had a look and I couldn't see that anyone had created a thread on this movie since its release and I think its really deserves one.

I have seen it twice so far and I have taken a look at fan and critic reviews online, seems to me this movie is getting a lot of hate from the fans and I don't get it.

Fair warning, lots of spoilers ahead.

So I loved it, I think it was a very brave movie that done a lot of new thing and I think Star Wars needed to do something new and bold. We needed to see the force being used in new ways and I don't think we could have gone into episode 9 with the set up the same as empire into Jedi. So this movie had to be very different and it was.

Snoke being killed I loved, in fact that whole bit in the throne room might be the best Star Wars moment ever.

The next really big thing is Lukes death and this seems to be what fans are really hating on. I understand why people hate it, I just watched my childhood hero die. It sucks, I cried, I shed man tears when he died but honestly the more I think about the more I realise that I don't really see how Luke could have died in a better way. It was very reminiscent of when Yoda dies in empire, he just floated off to become one with the force. For me its much better than Luke being cut down by someone like Kylo or Snoke. It was inevitable that Luke would have to die I think at some point and I think this is the best way that they could have done it.

I still think they need to do something about Ray just being powerful for the sake of it.

There are a few things that I didn't like, I thought Leia's superman moment was a bit wired, however I kind of get it, I don't see why a force sensitive couldn't use the force to pull themselves back into a ship. I didn't really care for anything between Fin and Rose. Ohhh and Phasma, really what was the point in even brining her back other than more toy sales, she was pointless in this movie.

I think a lot of the hate comes from fans forgetting one very simple point, this is a kids movie about space wizards. Its why I love Star Wars because it takes me back to when I was a kid, its a fantasy world I can lose myself in. I think a lot of fans, myself included, had our own ideas of what we wanted this movie to be, everyone had a fan theory about who Rays parents were.... turns out they were just a couple of drunks. We all speculated on who Snoke was....turns out they never explained it and killed him off. Hell even Luke chucking away the lightsaber, felt to me like the story tellers saying "No this is how we are going to tell the story, fan theories be dammed". So I think a lot of the hate for this movie comes from that, fans upset that none of the fan theories actually even necessary in the first place and secondly I think the killing of Luke has been too much of a emotional blow for some people.

The ending of the movie also opens up a lot of questions, the big one being that Leia is still alive so how the hell are they going to deal with that.

I also think that "broom boy" while being a obvious Disney moment, is a sign for what is to come in Rain Johnston's next trilogy.

So yeah those are my thoughts, I think it lived up to being the empire of the new trilogy.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

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# luke. he was always a baby. never liked him

tell me about rey. thats all i need to know

a reply to: TinySickTears

I think the way we see luke in this movie is the best we have ever seen him.

Ray is now "the last Jedi".

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: TinySickTears

I think the way we see luke in this movie is the best we have ever seen him.

Ray is now "the last Jedi".

was she whooping ass?
to be fair the 1st star wars i ever saw was phantom menace. after that i got hooked and went back and watched the originals. it was rough. keep in mind i watched a new hope for the first time at about 25 years old. i didnt think it was awesome and thought luke was a punk. if i had watched them when i was younger im sure i would have loved him.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I always thought luke was the weakest character in the series. Well until the Anakin movies.

We will be seeing it tonight.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I really liked it too...

I hated super leia scene..

I hated Luke’s death...not him dying , just the vanishing part.


The casino scene and broom boy I didn’t care for...


I actually loved all the story points passed that..

Loved the POV stuff surrounding luke attempting to kill Kyle...

Loved Snoke dying...

Loved a lot of the anti-Jedi stuff..



Overall it was super bold and people will love or hate it.. I don’t think their will be much in the middle..

The creature makeup was strangely substandard.. I specifically remember the opera alien looking horrible.

I got no interest in Disney Wars. They have totally ruined the franchise far as I'm concerned.

TFA was horrible, bad acting, bad dialogue, and they ripped off the whole movie from episode 4. Right down to some of the scenery and the plot. And the only Sith in the movie is that guy from "Girls". I mean really come on, you could'nt find somebody better to play an evil villian?

Pretty sure Disney can fart in a box and put Star Wars on it and people will gobble it up.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Adam Driver was phenomenal, and Kylo Ren was by far the most interesting part of The Last Jedi.

Overall I felt let down though - Jedi almost rendered Force irrelevant; it is as Rian Johnson did everything in his power to distance himself from it. J.J.Abrams laid the foundation to a new Saga - and Rian Johnson ignored it and laid down his own.

• Snoke's background - Oh never mind. Let's just kill him off.
  
  
• Rey's background - Oh nevermind. She hasn't got one.
  
  
• Knights of Ren - Oh nevermind. Just nevermind.
  
  
• Luke's search for the ancient First Jedi Temple - oh nevermind. The Temple doesn't matter. He just wanted to be alone and die.
  
  
• The Light Saber's significance - Oh nevermind. Let's just (literally) throw it away.
  

This movie did nothing for The Force Awakens. It was supposed to add to and expand on J.J. Abrams groundwork on Ep. VII. It did not.

I now fear that with J.J. Abrams back at the helm Ep. VIII will remedy at lot of these things and in the process render The Last Jedi irrelevant in that same manner that Last Jedi rendered The Force Awakens almost irrelevant.

a reply to: TinySickTears

I agree.. if you watch a New hope solo.. nothing happens lol and it is super short..

Empire strikes back, was the kingmaker.... it is an amazing MOVIE, period. The whole series is really based around it imho...

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I felt they did explain rey’s power. She grew in power as a result of kylo’s growing in power. The force is always working to keep the balance. Also, luke’s sacrifice allowed him to become a force ghost. My fav part was yoda.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
My fav part was yoda.

That was pretty badass, and they didn't CGI him.

Loved it...

Have no criticism..

After 9 movies to have integrity is a pretty impressive feat alone.

If i had to point out anything i didn’t like, it would prob be cgi snoke. That part, as detailed as it was, fell flat on the screen. My belief was suspended several times by him alone.

I thought it was a kick ass flick.
All the whiners need to shut up and eat their popcorn.
I am curious how Leia is going to be handled in the next episode.

The movie was watchable and worth seeing on the big screen.To me the best Star Wars movie was the original it had a lot more time effort and energy in incorporating myth legend and lessons in abstraction and the struggle with the dark side was far better done with young Annikan Skywalker.It was a reasonable story I didn't waste my money and Im not offended by people of race in important roles or female heroines the question is for the next movie who the heck will complete Ray's training or is that it for the Jedi

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I felt they did explain rey’s power. She grew in power as a result of kylo’s growing in power.

I disagree. Her power is unexplained. She is almost a match for the - according to both Snoke and Luke - *very* powerful Kylo Ren, who have been trained from early childhood by first Luke Skywalker himself, and then by the mysterious, super powerful Snoke.

Rey, well, basically started actively wielding the Force yesterday - unassisted, untrained, unguided.

That is some insane skills!

On one hand I really like that she (seemingly) is a nobody, but on the other hand, if she *is* just a random, untrained someone, that makes her level of force wielding surpass anyone ever known in the universe. Not even Annakin holds a candle to her untrained force wielding - and he raised some eyebrows.

I had expected that we would be told that she had had Jedi training but that her memory thereof had been removed, and that he was put on some backwater planet all to keep her identity hidden. You know, sort of like what was done with Leia and Luke - and we know that Jedi Knights can implant images in minds, so it stand to reason that they can remove images (and thus memories) too.

That would be in line with Saga, and it would at least partly explain how she can wield the Force like that.

a reply to: DupontDeux

To be fair they could be waiting until the next movie to give us the big reveal on Ray.

On one hand I really like that she (seemingly) is a nobody, but on the other hand, if she *is* just a random, untrained someone, that makes her level of force wielding surpass anyone ever known in the universe. Not even Annakin holds a candle to her untrained force wielding - and he raised some eyebrows.

I have said since I first saw TFA that I don't think Ray has any kind of special parents.

I think she is to a bit like what Harry Potter was to Voldemort, just a really powerful manifestation of the force that was created by the force in view of how powerful the dark side has become and that is why she is so powerful.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: DupontDeux

To be fair they could be waiting until the next movie to give us the big reveal on Ray.

On one hand I really like that she (seemingly) is a nobody, but on the other hand, if she *is* just a random, untrained someone, that makes her level of force wielding surpass anyone ever known in the universe. Not even Annakin holds a candle to her untrained force wielding - and he raised some eyebrows.

True, and I think they will. As noted somewhere above I actually fear that J.J. Abrams will do some major retconning in Ep. VIII thus rendering Jedi sort of irrelevant in an attempt to get back to the vision he had while making Force. Which would be a shame.

To be honest I think it is a mistake to let each director have his own vision - there is a real risk of incoherence/inconsistency between visions.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: DupontDeux



I think she is to a bit like what Harry Potter was to Voldemort, just a really powerful manifestation of the force that was created by the force in view of how powerful the dark side has become and that is why she is so powerful.

The thing is, the Dark Side has not really become that powerful, has it? Snoke was a dud, and Rey seems to have undergone systematic doping with genetically modified super midichlorians, enabling her to do instinctively after a week's worth of awareness of the force, what took even Annakin years of training to accomplish.

But you might be right though. It sounds a very plausible explanation.

The next really big thing is Lukes death and this seems to be what fans are really hating on. I understand why people hate it, I just watched my childhood hero die.

You knew this was coming.

Disney had to kill off the last remnants of the white male patriarchy, although, white males still get prominent billing as the evil overlords of the Darkside.