May loses Commons Brexit Vote

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK
It's pretty telling that the only people pretending that our elected representatives in the house of commons should have ultimate power, are those for whom forcing the country to remain within the fabric of the EU is their primary goal.


On a side note, I think we might well see the government lose a confidence vote early in the New year and we will get another General Election shortly after.

Who do you want to make the decision, May?

This isn't about who "makes the decision" and you know it.
It's about diluting Brexit to such an extent that, despite the referendum result we will, to all intents and purposes remain a vassal state of the EU.

I get that you didn't like the way the result went, just as you didn't like the remain side winning in the Scot indy ref.

To me this all just confirms two things.

1,The apparatus of government absolutely does not want us plebes having any meaningful say in how things are run and
2, The country has far too many morons who would rather be well fed slaves than free people.

The vote was to leave and we are leaving. Who do you want to decide the terms?

The terms, you say? Oh, you mean the ones that will inevitably prevent us from doing our own trade deals? Restricting labour movement? Having to accept commission judgements and suchlike?

Because that is what you are talking about, all the guff about it being "democracy" comes from the people that want to usurp the ultimate expression of democracy, a plebiscite. In other words, don't pee down my leg and tell me it's raining mate, have a bit of respect eh? You know as well as the rest of us, this is one more play in the pro EU lobby to prevent the UK government delivering true independence from Europe and, while you are congratulating yourselves over this, ask the question "what else might they seek to undermine and derail in the future?"

The vote was about leaving the EU. We are leaving the EU.

I don't remember any referendum on what the terms of leaving should be and the idea that we can leave a 40 year economic and political union without negotiation is ludicrous.

It is appallingly anti democratic to suggest that parliament shouldn't have a vote on the final agreement.

oh you are saying its raining again.

At least we all know that when you Scots win an indy ref, you will be happy with all the VAT rates on goods in Scotland being set in Westminster.
Your border rules set by Westminster, sending a nice little lump of treasure every year to Westminster, Letting Westminster set all your laws pertaining to trade etc, which other countries you are allowed to have relations with and all that guff. Cos you will be independent, right? by the same measure you are trying to apply to the Brexit ref.

That isn't even remotely close to what is happening.

You are literally just making up random nonsense now.

a reply to: ScepticScot

actually, it is. you know it is, I know it is, you are just convinced that people like me are too syupid to see through it when you say that its not the case.


Pee down your own leg matey and at some point in the future when you gain your referendum victory only to see it all torn away from you by people who don't believe you should have a say in your own destiny, look back on this and how you gave the rulers carte blanche to do as they will.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: ScepticScot

actually, it is. you know it is, I know it is, you are just convinced that people like me are too syupid to see through it when you say that its not the case.


Pee down your own leg matey and at some point in the future when you gain your referendum victory only to see it all torn away from you by people who don't believe you should have a say in your own destiny, look back on this and how you gave the rulers carte blanche to do as they will.

So if May decided that we are staying in the single market l and will continue to pay into the EU what then?

You are are arguing that the government should have unlimited say on how we leave with no real parliamentary scrutiny.

Or does that only apply when you think they will make a decision you agree with?

a reply to: ScepticScot


No I am arguing that we should leave, these amendments are about adding in further links to the EU machine, single market, customs unions etc.

With 78% of Members of parliament pro EU how can there be any other outcome? Seriously?

I got no love for May, nor trust in her either. Save to say, I think she is cowardly enough to cover her own rear by not trying to railroad through something that the majority of the UK would despise her for.

Now though? She has the perfect excuse, The rebels made her do it.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: ScepticScot


No I am arguing that we should leave, these amendments are about adding in further links to the EU machine, single market, customs unions etc.

With 78% of Members of parliament pro EU how can there be any other outcome? Seriously?

I got no love for May, nor trust in her either. Save to say, I think she is cowardly enough to cover her own rear by not trying to railroad through something that the majority of the UK would despise her for.

Now though? She has the perfect excuse, The rebels made her do it.

We just had a general election. If 78% of parliament are protected EU then that's because they got elected.

This vote was about parliament getting a vote on the final terms. That's exactly how it should be.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

Now though? She has the perfect excuse, The rebels made her do it.

Clinton had the Russians, May has the Rebels.

It's quite fitting that Darth May has faced her first defeat at the hands of the Rebels so soon before the release of Episode 8, George Lucas is to blame...

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: ScepticScot


No I am arguing that we should leave, these amendments are about adding in further links to the EU machine, single market, customs unions etc.

With 78% of Members of parliament pro EU how can there be any other outcome? Seriously?

I got no love for May, nor trust in her either. Save to say, I think she is cowardly enough to cover her own rear by not trying to railroad through something that the majority of the UK would despise her for.

Now though? She has the perfect excuse, The rebels made her do it.

We just had a general election. If 78% of parliament are protected EU then that's because they got elected.

This vote was about parliament getting a vote on the final terms. That's exactly how it should be.

yadda yadda. Look, I KNOW you hate the idea of Brexit, I have read enough of your posts, I get it.

If you think for one moment though that half the country is not going to utterly hate those they hold responsible for derailing our independence, or hate those who have supported this action, then you are wrong.

Feeling bitter about being on the losing side in a referendum is bad enough, but you can rationalise it.
There is no rationalising having your victory torn to bits by vested interests with the support of a whole bunch of your compatriots.

Anyone who thinks this is the best way, is a fool or looking forward to the chaos that follows.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

If you think for one moment though that half the country is not going to utterly hate those they hold responsible for derailing our independence, or hate those who have supported this action, then you are wrong.

If you think everybody who voted for Brexit is going to get annoyed about this then you are wrong. A fair few have changed their minds overs Brexit (both ways granted but I'd be willing to bet more moving from Leave to Remain). There are Brexiteers across the UK who are for this, you just have to read this and other sites to see that. You'll be lucky if a fifth of the country will "utterly hate" this...

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: SprocketUK
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If you think for one moment though that half the country is not going to utterly hate those they hold responsible for derailing our independence, or hate those who have supported this action, then you are wrong.

If you think everybody who voted for Brexit is going to get annoyed about this then you are wrong. A fair few have changed their minds overs this. There are Brexiteers across the UK who are for this, you just have to read this and other sites to see that. You'll be lucky if a fifth of the country who will "utterly hate" this...

Keep telling yourself that.
There is only one group going to benefit from this, and that is the one that pops up as the BNP or Britain first or similar pond scum. Their message will turn into one of revenge and there are enough people around that will just shrug off the arguments about how they shouldn't be touched with a barge pole and want to do something awful to get their own back.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: ScepticScot


No I am arguing that we should leave, these amendments are about adding in further links to the EU machine, single market, customs unions etc.

With 78% of Members of parliament pro EU how can there be any other outcome? Seriously?

I got no love for May, nor trust in her either. Save to say, I think she is cowardly enough to cover her own rear by not trying to railroad through something that the majority of the UK would despise her for.

Now though? She has the perfect excuse, The rebels made her do it.

We just had a general election. If 78% of parliament are protected EU then that's because they got elected.

This vote was about parliament getting a vote on the final terms. That's exactly how it should be.

yadda yadda. Look, I KNOW you hate the idea of Brexit, I have read enough of your posts, I get it.

If you think for one moment though that half the country is not going to utterly hate those they hold responsible for derailing our independence, or hate those who have supported this action, then you are wrong.

Feeling bitter about being on the losing side in a referendum is bad enough, but you can rationalise it.
There is no rationalising having your victory torn to bits by vested interests with the support of a whole bunch of your compatriots.

Anyone who thinks this is the best way, is a fool or looking forward to the chaos that follows.

Haven't said anything about hating brexit. ( Again something you made up)

I hate the idea May & co getting to use undemocratic powers to force through their version of brexit with no parliamentary scrutiny.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: ScepticScot


No I am arguing that we should leave, these amendments are about adding in further links to the EU machine, single market, customs unions etc.

With 78% of Members of parliament pro EU how can there be any other outcome? Seriously?

I got no love for May, nor trust in her either. Save to say, I think she is cowardly enough to cover her own rear by not trying to railroad through something that the majority of the UK would despise her for.

Now though? She has the perfect excuse, The rebels made her do it.

We just had a general election. If 78% of parliament are protected EU then that's because they got elected.

This vote was about parliament getting a vote on the final terms. That's exactly how it should be.

yadda yadda. Look, I KNOW you hate the idea of Brexit, I have read enough of your posts, I get it.

If you think for one moment though that half the country is not going to utterly hate those they hold responsible for derailing our independence, or hate those who have supported this action, then you are wrong.

Feeling bitter about being on the losing side in a referendum is bad enough, but you can rationalise it.
There is no rationalising having your victory torn to bits by vested interests with the support of a whole bunch of your compatriots.

Anyone who thinks this is the best way, is a fool or looking forward to the chaos that follows.

Haven't said anything about hating brexit. ( Again something you made up)

I hate the idea May & co getting to use undemocratic powers to force through their version of brexit with no parliamentary scrutiny.

Voted leave did ya?
Taken the remain line in pretty much every thread since the ref too it seems to me.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

I hate the idea May & co getting to use undemocratic powers to force through their version of brexit with no parliamentary scrutiny.

What I don't get is why anyone would want Darth May and her Empire cronies to wield such power anyway...

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: ScepticScot


No I am arguing that we should leave, these amendments are about adding in further links to the EU machine, single market, customs unions etc.

With 78% of Members of parliament pro EU how can there be any other outcome? Seriously?

I got no love for May, nor trust in her either. Save to say, I think she is cowardly enough to cover her own rear by not trying to railroad through something that the majority of the UK would despise her for.

Now though? She has the perfect excuse, The rebels made her do it.

We just had a general election. If 78% of parliament are protected EU then that's because they got elected.

This vote was about parliament getting a vote on the final terms. That's exactly how it should be.

yadda yadda. Look, I KNOW you hate the idea of Brexit, I have read enough of your posts, I get it.

If you think for one moment though that half the country is not going to utterly hate those they hold responsible for derailing our independence, or hate those who have supported this action, then you are wrong.

Feeling bitter about being on the losing side in a referendum is bad enough, but you can rationalise it.
There is no rationalising having your victory torn to bits by vested interests with the support of a whole bunch of your compatriots.

Anyone who thinks this is the best way, is a fool or looking forward to the chaos that follows.

Haven't said anything about hating brexit. ( Again something you made up)

I hate the idea May & co getting to use undemocratic powers to force through their version of brexit with no parliamentary scrutiny.

Voted leave did ya?
Taken the remain line in pretty much every thread since the ref too it seems to me.

Voted remain but was undecided up to the last minute as could see a case for leaving.

However this isn't about leaving it not. People who oppose giving the government unchallenged power to decide the shape of exit are not attempting to subvert the will of the people (despite what the Daily Mail would have you believe).

If Cameron hadn't resigned and the government was pushing the softest of brexit then you would absolutely want this to going a vote on parliament.

You need to stop thinking about this as a them and us issue. The idea we can leave without parliament having the final say is fundamentally undemocratic and goes against everything Leave supporters claimed to be voting for.

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: ScepticScot

I hate the idea May & co getting to use undemocratic powers to force through their version of brexit with no parliamentary scrutiny.

What I don't get is why anyone would want Darth May and her Empire cronies to wield such power anyway...

Exactly. If you have a look back these past 8 years you will see a party worse than anything Thatcher could have dreamt up. The Tories are worse than anything the Eu can throw at us. We dont even need to imagine what they will do once the reigns of the EU are off.

a reply to: Soloprotocol


And Labour's policy on Brexit is, what, exactly?

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: Soloprotocol


And Labour's policy on Brexit is, what, exactly?

I couldn't give a rats arse about red tory labour. I'm not talking about Brexit, i'm talking about Tory policy. The country is in a mess because of them.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: ScepticScot

I hate the idea May & co getting to use undemocratic powers to force through their version of brexit with no parliamentary scrutiny.

What I don't get is why anyone would want Darth May and her Empire cronies to wield such power anyway...

Exactly. If you have a look back these past 8 years you will see a party worse than anything Thatcher could have dreamt up. The Tories are worse than anything the Eu can throw at us. We dont even need to imagine what they will do once the reigns of the EU are off.

Do you really believe that the person or party in power is in control?
There is a world agenda and no matter who is in red/blue/green or pink - they have to follow the agenda - the people you see are controlled from behind - they are all puppets.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: ScepticScot


No I am arguing that we should leave, these amendments are about adding in further links to the EU machine, single market, customs unions etc.

With 78% of Members of parliament pro EU how can there be any other outcome? Seriously?

I got no love for May, nor trust in her either. Save to say, I think she is cowardly enough to cover her own rear by not trying to railroad through something that the majority of the UK would despise her for.

Now though? She has the perfect excuse, The rebels made her do it.

We just had a general election. If 78% of parliament are protected EU then that's because they got elected.

This vote was about parliament getting a vote on the final terms. That's exactly how it should be.

yadda yadda. Look, I KNOW you hate the idea of Brexit, I have read enough of your posts, I get it.

If you think for one moment though that half the country is not going to utterly hate those they hold responsible for derailing our independence, or hate those who have supported this action, then you are wrong.

Feeling bitter about being on the losing side in a referendum is bad enough, but you can rationalise it.
There is no rationalising having your victory torn to bits by vested interests with the support of a whole bunch of your compatriots.

Anyone who thinks this is the best way, is a fool or looking forward to the chaos that follows.

Haven't said anything about hating brexit. ( Again something you made up)

I hate the idea May & co getting to use undemocratic powers to force through their version of brexit with no parliamentary scrutiny.

Voted leave did ya?
Taken the remain line in pretty much every thread since the ref too it seems to me.

Voted remain but was undecided up to the last minute as could see a case for leaving.

Voted Remain....There we are. Those two words explain everything about your posts.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: ScepticScot


No I am arguing that we should leave, these amendments are about adding in further links to the EU machine, single market, customs unions etc.

With 78% of Members of parliament pro EU how can there be any other outcome? Seriously?

I got no love for May, nor trust in her either. Save to say, I think she is cowardly enough to cover her own rear by not trying to railroad through something that the majority of the UK would despise her for.

Now though? She has the perfect excuse, The rebels made her do it.

We just had a general election. If 78% of parliament are protected EU then that's because they got elected.

This vote was about parliament getting a vote on the final terms. That's exactly how it should be.

yadda yadda. Look, I KNOW you hate the idea of Brexit, I have read enough of your posts, I get it.

If you think for one moment though that half the country is not going to utterly hate those they hold responsible for derailing our independence, or hate those who have supported this action, then you are wrong.

Feeling bitter about being on the losing side in a referendum is bad enough, but you can rationalise it.
There is no rationalising having your victory torn to bits by vested interests with the support of a whole bunch of your compatriots.

Anyone who thinks this is the best way, is a fool or looking forward to the chaos that follows.

Haven't said anything about hating brexit. ( Again something you made up)

I hate the idea May & co getting to use undemocratic powers to force through their version of brexit with no parliamentary scrutiny.

Voted leave did ya?
Taken the remain line in pretty much every thread since the ref too it seems to me.

Voted remain but was undecided up to the last minute as could see a case for leaving.

Voted Remain....There we are. Those two words explain everything about your posts.

Really what do they explain?

Other than that you can't see by as them and us mentality.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

Voted Remain....There we are. Those two words explain everything about your posts.

Actually I spent a while thinking that I couldn't see eye to eye with anyone who voted Brexit but spending more time in the threads of such discussions here has proved me wrong. My opinion on Brexit has been modified by me learning new things from people who aren't on the same side of the coin as I am and for the better.

Being so closed minded is bad for you, mmmm'kay?