Did Jerusalem Ever Belong to Palestine?

originally posted by: MaxMech
a reply to: intrptr

Yah, peaceful coexistence, what a joke. Only Imperialists think this way. They come offering peace but wage war, because after all, thats their world.

You talk about peaceful coexistence but have no problem justifying Palestinian terror or defending Hamas, which openly rejects peace.
I know what kind of "peaceful coexistence" you seek. The kind where people with your views peacefully coexist with each other, while everybody else is long dead.

Its You talking about the Peace Process for decades, the endless peace process and empty promise of a two state solution. But where the rubber hits the road its really the Jews occupying Palestine, not the other way round.

But do go on, talk about a two state solution, prove you want 'peace', divide Jerusalem into two capital cities. That is what the Palestinians are willing to 'settle' for to peacefully coexist as you claim you do.

No fooling me, there is only one Final Solution to the Palestinian 'question'... everything else you utter is deception, lies and manipulation.

originally posted by: MaxMech
a reply to: intrptr

No they didn't. The Nazis rounded them up and put them in the "Warsaw Ghetto", another open air prison, just like Gaza. Thats right theres no Palestine anymore, the final solution is proceeding.

Why no word about Egypt? Which can open it's border at any time and free the poor Gazans from their "open air prison".

Because Egypt is a puppet state of the west. It helps oppress the Gazans along their border with Israel.

The topic is Jerusalem. Jerusalem is the capitol city of Palestine. Changing that is an incitement to violence on the part of Muslims everywhere. Go figure, the west picks another fight with Islam to justify more Un resolutions, sanctions, bombings and invasions of the ME.

Bwah, poor Israel...

(they love it)

a reply to: intrptr

Its You talking about the Peace Process for decades, the endless peace process and empty promise of a two state solution.

For you it's an "empty promise". For the people who live there it's the only chance to have a normal life. There is no other solution.

But where the rubber hits the road its really the Jews occupying Palestine, not the other way round.

Those pesky Jews, wouldn't you like just to get rid of them?
I really don't understand the point of your complaining. You know very well that 6.5 million Jews are not going to vanish over night. So what is it you want? Try giving a realistic answer.

No fooling me, there is only one Final Solution to the Palestinian 'question'... everything else you utter is deception, lies and manipulation.

Enlighten me, what is this magical final solution?

a reply to: MaxMech

For you it's an "empty promise". For the people who live there it's the only chance to have a normal life. There is no other solution.

You aren't fooling anyone, me especially. I been around for most of the entire peace process and two state solution rhetoric my whole life. Its an empty promise, lies and deception. Israel wants all of Islam dead.

Case in point.

The OP has asked if the city of Jerusalem ever belong to Palestine. And it should be looked at and considered, and a bit of a look into history.

The history of that area of the world is long. It has been fought over and conquered for various reasons, and the first reason is due to the strategic nature of it. It is a link between eastern Europe and Africa, and is the gateway for over the ground routes to the east, and for trading. For many years it was a major hub of activities and trade, with goods going in all 4 directions.

The city of Jerusalem also has a long varied history, as well, it has been the capital of the area for years, under the control of one or another empire for years, since its founding. And it has been at the heart of all of Judaism, all three of those religions, namely Judaism, Christianity and Islam, for all different reasons, have roots here.

The region that is called as Palestine, also have been referred to as the Southern Levant. It encompasses the region from the Mediterranean sea and the Jordan river, and various adjoining lands. Various peoples have had control over it, those from the area and those outsiders. In ancient times, Greek and the Egyptians took over the area, though it was when the Muslim conquest over the area, that many of the problems that were encountered during the roman times, were given relief, namely the taxes and the religious persecution. In 661 Jerusalem was the center of the Islamic world, and the center of a caliphate.

Later on in 878 it was ruled by Egypt and under an semi-autonomous way. It remained under Islamic control up until the Crusades, where it became a kingdom. In 1260, the Mongol empire reached and conquered it. That lasted up until the Ottoman’s conquered it in a civil war and kept control over it.

The area was not known as Palestine until about the 1840’s and then it was used by the western powers in reference to the area and as part of a consular and diplomatic discussions. After World War I, it was placed under British control as part of the mandate, and as punishment against the losing side. The area was then divided up, and there are 2 points to consider, one was the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which promised to establish a national home in Palestine for the Jews, and the other is the Sykes-Picot Agreement, in 1916. Both of those agreements have caused many of the problems to see today.

So in answer to the Op’s question, yes the Palestine’s have had control over Jerusalem, as it was the capital over the area at one time.

a reply to: intrptr

Because Egypt is a puppet state of the west. It helps oppress the Gazans along their border with Israel.

So why never mention them in your rants? Why no lengthy posts about how Egypt can resolve the Gaza issue but doesn't do so because it sold itself to the great Satan? Is it because it's a Muslim country, and only hating Jews is allowed in your book?

The topic is Jerusalem. Jerusalem is the capitol city of Palestine.

In Palestinian fantasies, yes. Not in reality. Though I really don't have a problem with splitting the city and for each people to have their capitol there.

Changing that is an incitement to violence on the part of Muslims everywhere.

That's the thing isn't it? Every single thing is an incitement to violence for Muslims. Even moving an American building from one city to another.

a reply to: intrptr

You aren't fooling anyone, me especially. I been around for most of the entire peace process and two state solution rhetoric my whole life. Its an empty promise, lies and deception. Israel wants all of Islam dead. Case in point

Lol, I assure you that people in Israel do not bother themselves with thoughts about Islam.
Muslims, on the other hand, have their religion encourage them to kill Jews, infidels and any Muslim who leaves Islam.
Case in point

a reply to: Yvhmer

Yes, the 'overview' seems right. Thank you, for your time composing it.

I posed the theory, in a thread, that an actual Palestinian State was never the intention of the neighboring Islamic States. That Isis/isil, had the region planned as one super nation. That an Israel smack in the middle was intolerable and a second nation, which Palestine would become, was also not in the cards as they were unlikely to accept yet another outside dominating gov't.

The argument for a 'Palestine' was a cause to garner full Muslim support for the eradication of Israel as the major barrier to a Levant state.

As you say, the changing dynamics are a constant. The recent benign attitude to Israel by it's neighbors spoke of an Israel being preferable over the maniacs running Isis. Egypt leading the way in kicking out the brotherhood and Saudi fear of losing the status quo they've enjoyed these decades. Jordan has been passive for long time and Syria has bigger fish to fry....

I speculate that the Saudi 'housecleaning' is due to Trump's convincing speech he gave and his assurances that he'd back the House of Saud when Obama would not. ( Any Saudis involved in 9/11 likely fell within the group purged)

Once that purge started, Trump felt the timing was right for the Jerusalem announcement. I suspect the Saudis were prepared for it and the protestations from most of the neighbors are lip-service only. Turkey and Iran is another story. Yes?

I also hope Trump received assurances from Bebe that the far right in Israel would not attempt further land grabs as this would cut Trump off at the knees.

So this noise will die down in due course. After all, it's God' will....

a reply to: MaxMech

So why never mention them in your rants? Why no lengthy posts about how Egypt can resolve the Gaza issue but doesn't do so because it sold itself to the great Satan? Is it because it's a Muslim country, and only hating Jews is allowed in your book?

I do make lengthy posts about it. During the egyptian uprising known as the arab spring I was all over the multiple threads about it, right here. This included the multi threads about the egyptian military crackdown, the rigged elections that followed, the Muslim Brotherhood, the coup against Morsi, the tunnels between Gaza and Egypt, other stuff about terror attacks on the Sinai Peninsula, Hillarys visits during her stay in the state department to coerce Egypt to suppress GAZA TOO. The US military presence in Egypt on permanent bases, Bright Star exercises, the huge amount of arms US and UK provide Egypt, The huge importance the Suez canal plays in Middle Eastern affairs, blah blah...

What about you sir ridicule, got any more lies? Any more history you want to deflect to?

This thread is about Jerusalem.

a reply to: MaxMech

Muslims, on the other hand, have their religion encourage them to kill Jews, infidels and any Muslim who leaves Islam.

Jews are killing Muslims in droves. Got the uS helping too. And NATO, other Arab nations by Proxy, etc.

It aint about religion, deceiver.

a reply to: intrptr

I don't know how Jews manage to kill any Muslims at all when they're so busy blowing themselves up first

a reply to: intrptr

I do make lengthy posts about it. During the egyptian uprising known as the arab spring I was all over the multiple threads about it, right here. This included the multi threads about the egyptian military crackdown, the rigged elections that followed, the Muslim Brotherhood, the coup against Morsi, the tunnels between Gaza and Egypt, other stuff about terror attacks on the Sinai Peninsula, Hillarys visits during her stay in the state department to coerce Egypt to suppress GAZA TOO. The US military presence in Egypt on permanent bases, Bright Star exercises, the huge amount of arms US and UK provide Egypt, The huge importance the Suez canal plays in Middle Eastern affairs, blah blah...

So basically everybody is at fault except the Palestinians themselves. You are always the powerless victim, right? It must be a very sad and depressing existence. But then again, terror justifiers don't diverse anything better.

What about you sir ridicule, got any more lies?

Yes, I do have one for you: Gaza is an open air prison.

a reply to: intrptr

Jews are killing Muslims in droves.

Not sure how many is "in droves", but 99% of Muslim deaths are caused by other Muslims. Not Jews/The West/US/NATO or any other boogeyman.

It aint about religion

Well maybe not for you. But for Arab Muslims (which are 99% of Gaza population), it is.

a reply to: MaxMech

What about you sir ridicule, got any more lies?

Yes, I do have one for you: Gaza is an open air prison.

Yes it is. A thirty foot tall wall, gun towers, barbed wire, no mans land. No airport, no rail head, no port.

Don't take my word for it, everyone can see the prison wall for themselves...

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a reply to: MaxMech

It aint about religion

Well maybe not for you. But for Arab Muslims (which are 99% of Gaza population), it is.

Turns right back with the same lie. Are you a bot?

Conquest, occupation and subjugation of the Middle East is about natural resources.