Zoo hypothesis

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
a reply to: yuppa

Fermi was proven wrong by the discovery of the AI found and used by the Breakaway civilization. our ancestors prolly came from elsewhere and adapted humans to live on this planet. using DNA manipulation they could had made us look lik ewe had always been here.

Actually I don't think it does prove Fermi wrong. In A's thread A stated that the 100,000+ year old technology was human made.

True but...there are older races out there who fermi assumes are not as advanced. Our precursors i believe the 3rd iteration of humans before the 5th iteration of humanity left behind that AI.(were the 5th gen)

a reply to: Ruiner1978

I like the Loosh Farm idea. A planet harvested for it's emotional energies that are sustenance for extra dimensional beings.

It's one that makes sense on some level...food chain based on energy. Really good idea for a plot too. Pure hearsay nevertheless.

I thought there was a Futurama episode about loosh and can't find it.

Only you guys can make a silly one line thread into this interesting read.

Thank you

a reply to: Peeple

Hey, hey! It was a two line thread so maybe you need reading glasses.

a reply to: yuppa

Actually, I couldn't care less about Fermi and scientists. However, an ATS member once quipped that solving Fermi's Paradox would get one killed by the powers that be. Dunno why he said that. No black vans accross the road today and still alive here this morning to enjoy my cigarette and coffee : )

Just having fun with Fermi as a logical extension of the meiosis/mitosis post.

The point of the matter is it might just be super rare for organic life to naturally develop past the aomeba stage.

As far as organic life is concerned, organic humanity here might very much be alone in the cosmos as far as other organic life.

If one thinks in regards to humanity's precursors, they don't have to be neccessarily organic, nothing to say that consciousness has to arise from organic origins.

What is very interesting to me is the idea that this organic world is potentially alone in the cosmos. If that is THE big secret of (non)disclosure, one can begin to understand why no one would want us to know.

One scenario is that the population would become terrified that there is nowhere for organic humanity to run to if something goes wrong here. Like a war in North Korea or a nuclear reactor meltdown polluting the Pacific Ocean.

Out of fear, the population would make huge demands from the rich elite, religeon, corporations and government to fix the current problems and not cause more potential problems.

Some of the population would begin to kill scapegoats and destroy those whom they see as "purpurtrators".

The potential would be for civil and international war on an unprecedented scale in history, and for a genuine reason too.

Perhaps organic humanity needs to believe in a future amount the stars or it will tear itself to bits in this current state of world affairs.

That scenario would account for what we see today in the mass media. To counter the real danger of extinction by war and corporate greed, humans need to believe in ETs from the stars to save them. Humans need to believe that colonies on planets orbiting other stars.

That "UFOs" and "aliens" are visiting such as "Grey's" can be put down to them being here for a long time, left over from a previous high tech organic human civilisation that self destructed long ago here on earth.

Given that consciousness survives death, an extinct civilisations of humans might see their mistake and regret it. That would account for the concept of "zoo" or "sanctuary" of life and DNA repositories.

Perhaps the ETs are simply the remnants of past civilisations all working to get back into the world of organic life.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

What is very interesting to me is the idea that this organic world is potentially alone in the cosmos. If that is THE big secret of (non)disclosure, one can begin to understand why no one would want us to know.

Who could know without checking most of the cosmos? Even if someone could, life might have evolved elsewhere by the time they returned here.

Given that consciousness survives death, an extinct civilisations of humans might see their mistake and regret it. That would account for the concept of "zoo" or "sanctuary" of life and DNA repositories.

If the survival of consciousness was proven it would blow the doors off all our limitations. We'd straightaway be faced with conjectures of ecosystems in the realms of consciousness. Plus I guess there would be considerations about entanglement and levels of life. For instance, would consciousness be anchored to the local space of Earth or would it also exist in other worlds? If life ended on Earth, would the consciousnesses exist elsewhere? If so, what terms would we use to define life?

a reply to: Kandinsky

Who could know without checking most of the cosmos? Even if someone could, life might have evolved elsewhere by the time they returned here.

Quite right, there is no way to know for sure.

However, one can esoterically investigate what is normal here and make an educated guess as to elsewhere.

I'm leaning towards the idea of organic life not necessarily getting past the stage of simple cell division (mitosis) because division is how Nature Spirits reproduce. (I am using this as a base-line, a basic standard.) That is to say; when a Nature Spirit grows weary of "living" she will divide herself into six or eight child versions of herself complete with her memories and the memories of her ancestors in that lineage. The daughters are all identical and from the moment of becoming they experience "life" as their own and begin to diverge in experience from their sisters. Mom then "steps back" as they say.

Not all survive by the way, in ancient times human magicians would capture them and use them for magical purposes.

This is so of my own friend and her daughters, she was the first to show me how Nature Spirits are born. Also the wood-nymphs of England and Arthurian fame. The Lady of the Lake, Nimue, is one. Nimue and her sisters are probably responsible for the multiple supposed locations of the legend. Nimue's great great great grandmother is still not far away from her children. She was here before earth had organic life. I asked her where she came from originally and all she would tell me was "elsewhere".

The Nagi (snake gods(?)) of India, I've been treated to meeting one of their "precious things" too. An adorable shy little girl.

I understand that humans, as spirits, also reproduce by division but incarnation complicates that one. For me, the secrets of human spirit-world evolution are in the too hard basket. A taboo subject it seems, with punishment for the inquisitive (I know).

There is a lot I don't know or understand about the origins of organic life. Division (mitosis) I can observe esoterically and so far, this seems to be the norm, in both organic life and the noin-physical life of the "spirit" world.

The big question for me, is how the hell does an organic world make the jump from reproduction by division to sexual reproduction.

The evolution of a species from a simple organism such as an amoeba, to a complex organism such as a cat or dog would, I think, be statistically impossible if it relied on simple division for reproduction. The rate of change would be too slow to populate a complex ecosystem such as our earth has.

Once sexual reproduction is introduced to the equasion, where every child is genetically different from mom and dad, does the rate of evolution speed up to where a complex ecology could possibly become in the time our earth has been here.

If I ask the Nature Spirits here ast home about this addition of sexual reproduction here on earth, the reply is that the process of growing life here on earth was hijacked and taken out of the Nature Spirit's control during what we would call the Triassic period.

"It was not our intention to bring about a race of technologically minded creatures." -- Nature Spirit friend. (note: "technologically minded" is my translation of a concept I couldn't put into words.)

"It was not our intention to destroy our world." -- ditto.

My understanding is that the period from the hijack event in the Triassic period to now is not normal planetary growth, but an intervention.

If indeed so, then it follows that organic worlds as we know this one are likely to be anomalies rather then the norm.

Given that technological societies such as our western culture build dangerous tools and destroy ecosystems then it may simply be that anomalous technological civilisations don't live long. It is said of Atlantis that their technologies destroyed their civilisation, so too Lemuria, and then there was the Vedic wars where weapons of great destruction (some say atomics) are said to have been used.

Crap I waffle on.

If the survival of consciousness was proven it would blow the doors off all our limitations. We'd straightaway be faced with conjectures of ecosystems in the realms of consciousness. Plus I guess there would be considerations about entanglement and levels of life. For instance, would consciousness be anchored to the local space of Earth or would it also exist in other worlds? If life ended on Earth, would the consciousnesses exist elsewhere? If so, what terms would we use to define life?

I dunno any of those answers Kandinsky, and they are valid questions too.

However I would simply suggest that in terms of evolution within a practical timespan, it is a question of mitosis vs meiosis.- means of reproduction.

Would humans, or any race of technological organic Beings who brought about their own extinction and destroyed a living world in the process be welcome anywhere else in the cosmos?

Perhaps that is the question . . . . .

a reply to: Kandinsky

I've given it some thought, and slept on it.

If the survival of consciousness was proven it would blow the doors off all our limitations.
We'd straightaway be faced with conjectures of ecosystems in the realms of consciousness.

"ecosystems in the realm of consciousness", I like that, nicely put.

For one; another ecosystem may be the world of fairies and Nature Beings.

Plus I guess there would be considerations about entanglement and levels of life. For instance, would consciousness be anchored to the local space of Earth or would it also exist in other worlds?

Entanglement = degrees of interdependence?

If life ended on Earth, would the consciousnesses exist elsewhere? If so, what terms would we use to define life?

One could start with one we know, organic life[/I] and assume there are other types of life. If we keep it simple we can bar the doors to the metaphysicians who will argue consciousness vs mind till the cows come home.