Zoo hypothesis

I just want to throw this one out there but what is the general consensus regarding the Zoo hypothesis? To be honest im not sure, it is possibile isnt it?

a reply to: DpatC

a little context, elaboration, effort would go a long way OP..

I almost forgot about this one: www.sciencealert.com...

a reply to: FamCore

i never heard of it. Thank you for the link even know it will put me down anorher rabbit hole.

This is probably the best hypothesis ive read about why aliens stay away... they dont want to be seen as an invasive species? Maybe that's why they disappeard during the ancient egypt civilaztion. Ro tell us they are here but wint get involved because they saw gow their influance was messing with the natural momentum of our world?

Thankyou again for the link!!

originally posted by: DpatC
I just want to throw this one out there but what is the general consensus regarding the Zoo hypothesis? To be honest im not sure, it is possibile isnt it?

Conceivable that all life on Earth could be viewed, by an advanced civ, as insignificant.

Perhaps they see us, in the same way we see bacteria, parasites, or viruses? Below the oysters even.

In their view: the difference between humans and oysters, might be minimal, and hardly worth consideration.

a reply to: Nothin

Perhaps they see us, in the same way we see bacteria, parasites, or viruses?

Perhaps..Perhaps they watch from afar so as to see the natural progression of beings who possess the greatest force of all - LOVE.

That's not to say they don't get disheartened, often.

IDK.

originally posted by: DpatC
I just want to throw this one out there but what is the general consensus regarding the Zoo hypothesis? To be honest im not sure, it is possibile isnt it?

The Zoo hypothesis is a contradiction in terms. It's not even an educated guess. It is the equivalent of pet owners who ascribe human emotions to animals when they couldn't be further from the truth. Junk discussion.

His "hypothesis" carries as much weight as me saying aliens are actually something similar to Oreo cookies who are inhabited by zombie Unicorn spirits capable of travel at the speed of thought while reclining in a Lazy Boy while their knees water from eating ketchup.

a reply to: donktheclown

Kindness will out gun love anytime.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Kindness is Love...Thank you for your kindness.

a reply to: donktheclown

Love is passive.

Kindness is an action.

Impact is greater, more powerful.

originally posted by: donktheclown
a reply to: Nothin

Perhaps they see us, in the same way we see bacteria, parasites, or viruses?

Perhaps..Perhaps they watch from afar so as to see the natural progression of beings who possess the greatest force of all - LOVE.

That's not to say they don't get disheartened, often.

IDK.

Maybe they are more interested in the emotional roller-coasters we ride, rather than seeing us in a constant peaceful lovey-dovey world?
Checking-off a little box on their observation charts, every time our hearts break.
The bastards!!!

a reply to: DpatC

As in relation to UFOs and so forth? In ufology the Zoo Hypothesis argues that life on Earth is isolated from other intelligences and used as a zoo for visits. There's a subtext that goes with it which claims people and animals are taken away to other worlds. It came about to explain close encounters and reported sightings of animals being carried away by flying saucers and other, stranger vehicles.

The Betty and Barney Hill case included the 'star map' which was supposed to have shown interstellar trade routes. Earth was far out like an obscure tributary of the Amazon river in the unknown depths of the rainforests. The little store at the end of a long, empty lane.

Stanton Friedman came up with an alternative describing us as more like a 'Prison Planet.' His argument was we're far too dangerous to be allowed to mingle and are therefore kept quarantined out here like the mangy dogs we are. Grrrrr.

It's possible, yes. Maybe not so likely, but possible.

It's possible.

For example... when we study ants we may take a few ants into our lab to study their habits and ways of living in their environment and we learn from them. But we do not interfere with the rest of the ant colonies all over the world...we don't change the way the ants choose to structure themselves and how they live and survive, we don't interfere intentionally with ant colonies.

Our human ways do unintentionally have impacts on the ant structures...for example we may choose to build on land that has a-lot of ant hills and when we go in to tear up the land, we ruin their environment. We don't even think twice about doing it... once the builder has the permit and approval to move forward... any other living creature on the land is just out of luck.

leolady

originally posted by: leolady

It's possible.

For example... when we study ants we may take a few ants into our lab to study their habits and ways of living in their environment and we learn from them. But we do not interfere with the rest of the ant colonies all over the world...we don't change the way the ants choose to structure themselves and how they live and survive, we don't interfere intentionally with ant colonies.

Our human ways do unintentionally have impacts on the ant structures...for example we may choose to build on land that has a-lot of ant hills and when we go in to tear up the land, we ruin their environment. We don't even think twice about doing it... once the builder has the permit and approval to move forward... any other living creature on the land is just out of luck.

leolady

Not necessarily, Sometimes those perrmission approvals come with cavets that ensure the "creatures" won't be put out and that you won't, acciendently destroy there habitat.I would imagine that there are very strict rules regarding all this.
Must say though loved your ant comparison!

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: DpatC
Stanton Friedman came up with an alternative describing us as more like a 'Prison Planet.' His argument was we're far too dangerous to be allowed to mingle and are therefore kept quarantined out here like the mangy dogs we are. Grrrrr.

It's possible, yes. Maybe not so likely, but possible.

Would make sense too. We can't get along within our own race, let alone get along with other species.


I like the Loosh Farm idea. A planet harvested for it's emotional energies that are sustenance for extra dimensional beings.

"But, but WE'RE the top of the food chain aren't we? Aren't we??"

a reply to: Ruiner1978

"But, but WE'RE the top of the food chain aren't we? Aren't we??"

Thanks for the laugh there Ruiner1978.

Nicely put.

Here's a variation on the zoo hypothesis.

One of the things that is not taken into account is sexual reproduction as a basis for understanding the uniqueness of our world and why extraterrestrials might be interested in our planet and not necessarily humanity itself.

Evolution, change, becoming OR stagnation. Perhaps that is the problem that faces everyone in this universe.

If evolution is not an inbuilt dynamic of change within a system, the system gets left behind when other systems change.

In this world we have two basic systems of reproduction.

Mitosis

Mitosis is a process where a single cell divides into two identical daughter cells (cell division).

Meiosis

Meiosis is a process where a single cell divides twice to produce four cells containing half the amount of genetic information as the original parent cell. These cells are our sex cells – sperm in males, eggs in females.

(Source: yourgenome.org)

In the process of mitosis, where the children are identical copies of the parent, change is absent. One might suggest evolution is absent in a practical sense.

In the process of meiosis, where the children are always different to the parents, change is constant. One might suggest evolution is present in a practical sense.

If organic life's universal basis to begin with is mitosis, then it follows that evolution may be almost impossible on other planets unless there is the introduction of sexual reproduction.

Perhaps the greatest treasure this planet has is sex. That would account for the absence of interference from outside our planet until humanity developed atomic weapons and put everything into jeopardy. This would account for a lot of other things as well.

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The Fermi Paradox

The following is from wikipedia:

Fermi Paradox - wikipedia

In 1950, while working at Los Alamos National Laboratory, Fermi had a casual conversation while walking to lunch with colleagues Emil Konopinski, Edward Teller and Herbert York.

The men discussed a recent spate of UFO reports and an Alan Dunn cartoon facetiously blaming the disappearance of municipal trashcans on marauding aliens. The conversation shifted to other subjects, until during lunch Fermi suddenly exclaimed, "Where are they?" (alternatively, "Where is everybody?").

Teller remembers, "The result of his question was general laughter because of the strange fact that in spite of Fermi's question coming from the clear blue, everybody around the table seemed to understand at once that he was talking about extraterrestrial life."

Herbert York recalls that Fermi followed up on his comment with a series of calculations on the probability of Earth-like planets, the probability of life, the likely rise and duration of high technology, etc., and concluded that we ought to have been visited long ago and many times over.

I am no mathematician, but one hundred billion years of evolution by mitosis may equal ten thousand years of evolution by meiosis.


If so, humanity may be as advanced as things get.


(grin) Fermi Paradox solved . . . . . (yawn and another smug grin)


If so, then humanity really has to change in a big way, and soon.

a reply to: DpatC

You are correct, we do have groups that try to protect wildlife and nature. So in your pointing this out... I now want to insert a new comment on the Zoo Hypothesis. It implies that if there were aliens... there would be a group who are conscience of the human plight and would look out for us. What do we call this ? The Conservation Hypothesis ?

Both hypothoesis ... Zoo Hypothesis & Conservation Hypothesis... we are attaching human ways onto an alien race because the human mind automatically assumes that aliens would think and act just as we do.

leolady

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
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The Fermi Paradox

The following is from wikipedia:

Fermi Paradox - wikipedia

In 1950, while working at Los Alamos National Laboratory, Fermi had a casual conversation while walking to lunch with colleagues Emil Konopinski, Edward Teller and Herbert York.

The men discussed a recent spate of UFO reports and an Alan Dunn cartoon facetiously blaming the disappearance of municipal trashcans on marauding aliens. The conversation shifted to other subjects, until during lunch Fermi suddenly exclaimed, "Where are they?" (alternatively, "Where is everybody?").

Teller remembers, "The result of his question was general laughter because of the strange fact that in spite of Fermi's question coming from the clear blue, everybody around the table seemed to understand at once that he was talking about extraterrestrial life."

Herbert York recalls that Fermi followed up on his comment with a series of calculations on the probability of Earth-like planets, the probability of life, the likely rise and duration of high technology, etc., and concluded that we ought to have been visited long ago and many times over.

I am no mathematician, but one hundred billion years of evolution by mitosis may equal ten thousand years of evolution by meiosis.


If so, humanity may be as advanced as things get.


(grin) Fermi Paradox solved . . . . . (yawn and another smug grin)


If so, then humanity really has to change in a big way, and soon.

You are partially right. Although Aliens find sex interesting this planet is also a DNA repository and/zoo so to speak. A's people know of this. There are treaties in place that prevent large scale visitation from non human decended races.
Fermi was proven wrong by the discovery of the AI found and used by the Breakaway civilization. our ancestors prolly came from elsewhere and adapted humans to live on this planet. using DNA manipulation they could had made us look lik ewe had always been here.

a reply to: yuppa

Fermi was proven wrong by the discovery of the AI found and used by the Breakaway civilization. our ancestors prolly came from elsewhere and adapted humans to live on this planet. using DNA manipulation they could had made us look lik ewe had always been here.

Actually I don't think it does prove Fermi wrong. In A's thread A stated that the 100,000+ year old technology was human made.