The Flat Earth "conspiracy" and a glaring error by those who suppport it...

a reply to: turbonium1

polaris [ as viewed from ANY point in the northern hemisphere [ local terrain permitting ]

polaris cannot be seen from ANY point in the southern hemisphere

further - the measurement of latitude using the angle of polaris above the true horizon is ONLY congruent with a speriod earth

i have heard several delusional " expainations " for ploaris - from a flat earth " perspective " - all either invoved magic or were special pleadings that contradicted other observations

can you explain polaris ?

ETA - and for bonus points - explain why sigma octanis is visible on a bearing of 179 degrees true ] from :

cape town RSA

perth , australia

wellington NZ

rio gallegos , argentina

sigma octanis as the closest object to the celestial south pole - makes perfect sense from a spreoid eath - but is bat crap insane on a flat earth cult map

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: 23432

it is duely noted that you have evaded all questions put to you

as for your latest vid

we only get to time stamp : 01.23 before the first lie emerges

this is also the first claim made by the narrator - so its a bad start

to quote :

every single one of NASA pictures of the globe earth are CGI

lets starrt with :

apollo image " AS17-148-22727 " wiki primer

taken from the apoloo 17 mission - on kodak film - no CGI there - the origional negative is still availiable

the " poor " narrator // editor - only gets to timestamp 01.34 - before thier next lie spews forth :

the claim to show a graphic of an alledged " world without water "

debunk from phil plait

with such a poor start - i simply CBA continuting the vid

lets talk about your alledged sailing experience

ETA - also your alledged civil engineering " experience "

Dude

Leave you ego at the door if you can.

You are suffering from " Science delusion " it seems .

Detect and measure the curvature and teach me how you done it .


If you can take your eyes of the skies and look at the actual Earth that would be a good start .

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: 23432

Just go to any beach and measure a 1 mile in ALL Cardinal directions and witness the fact that there is no Curvature .

lol... just the most retarded idea ever...

i saw a video recently that used a lazer across a 6km lake... no curvature

Omg!!

As if is possible to measure the curve of a planet at that kind of distance with a lazer

8 inches for the 1st mile
4 inches for the half mile
2 inches for the quarter mile
1 inch for the .....




No one on this thread ever saw , detect and observe the curvature , including you .

You defend a phantom curvature that ain't there .

I remember your appeal to authority in your previous posts ; still waiting for some user to come up and show us how and where to detect the curvature of Earth .

Dogma , you defend a Dogma my dear .

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: 23432

Just go to any beach and measure a 1 mile in ALL Cardinal directions and witness the fact that there is no Curvature .

lol... just the most retarded idea ever...

i saw a video recently that used a lazer across a 6km lake... no curvature

Omg!!

As if is possible to measure the curve of a planet at that kind of distance with a lazer

8 inches for the 1st mile
4 inches for the half mile
2 inches for the quarter mile
1 inch for the .....

No one on this thread ever saw , detect and observe the curvature , including you .

You defend a phantom curvature that ain't there .

I remember your appeal to authority in your previous posts ; still waiting for some user to come up and show us how and where to detect the curvature of Earth .

Dogma , you defend a Dogma my dear .

mathscinotes.com...

Math. If you can debunk this, you win, if not, you FAIL. It's a reality, and it kind of kills the whole "flat earth" theory. And with a plumb bob and a ruler, you too can use those working tools to learn the real truth.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: 23432

Just go to any beach and measure a 1 mile in ALL Cardinal directions and witness the fact that there is no Curvature .

lol... just the most retarded idea ever...

i saw a video recently that used a lazer across a 6km lake... no curvature

Omg!!

As if is possible to measure the curve of a planet at that kind of distance with a lazer

8 inches for the 1st mile
4 inches for the half mile
2 inches for the quarter mile
1 inch for the .....

No one on this thread ever saw , detect and observe the curvature , including you .

You defend a phantom curvature that ain't there .

I remember your appeal to authority in your previous posts ; still waiting for some user to come up and show us how and where to detect the curvature of Earth .

Dogma , you defend a Dogma my dear .

mathscinotes.com...

Math. If you can debunk this, you win, if not, you FAIL. It's a reality, and it kind of kills the whole "flat earth" theory. And with a plumb bob and a ruler, you too can use those working tools to learn the real truth.

Dude
Testify that you have observed , detected and ,measured the curvature .

If not ; i'd suggest you open your eyes to truth that the curvature is no where to be found .

Also pls do understand this ; just because someone says no curvature that doesn't mean to say the earth is flat either .

Curvature is not there and i offer anyone a pizza if they can please show everyone how to observe , detect and measure it .

a reply to: 23432

Dude Testify that you have observed , detected and ,measured the curvature .

Dude,

so you cannot debunk the math?


It was just shown to you and asked if you understand it enough to debunk it.


So you post a 74 word post to say, no I cannot debunk it.

a reply to: 23432

2, it's really straight forward math, with a tiny bit of science. If two ends or a long structure are both plumb and level, yet the distance at the top is greater than the distance at the bottom, AND the difference can be calculated using the KNOWN dimensions of the planet Earth (as measured in a round environment), then unless you can present math that debunks this, you have no choice but to admit it's true, or run away and hope nobody else calls you on it.

I get that "flat earth" is more of a cult of debate tactics than it is about the idiotic idea that the Earth is flat, yet has no edges, but if you ignore factual evidence to support your theory, aren't you just lying to yourself?

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: 23432

Dude Testify that you have observed , detected and ,measured the curvature .

Dude,

so you cannot debunk the math?


It was just shown to you and asked if you understand it enough to debunk it.


So you post a 74 word post to say, no I cannot debunk it.

The link you posted is a strawman , a red herring , a decoy.

And if you were bothered to actually look at the bridge itself than you also would have witness the curve of the bridge but not sea beneath it .


It's ok to admit that you , yourself have never observed , detected or measured the supposed curve ; no one on this thread ever has .

a reply to: 23432

The link you posted is a strawman , a red herring , a decoy.

No it wasn't a straw man or anything you said,

it must have been a mirage as its not there.

I never posted a link so you must have seen a mirage.

And if you were bothered to actually look at the bridge itself than you also would have witness the curve of the bridge but not sea beneath it .

Dude, lay of the pipe.

Try and follow.


A link was posted for you to look at by another poster with a simple request that would either prove the earth is flat or prove you lack understanding of certain things.

It's ok to admit that you , yourself have never observed , detected or measured the supposed curve ; no one on this thread ever has .

The curvature of the earth is easily observed and has been by myself and many, many others.

Its OK to admit you don't understand math and that you cant speak for others.

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: 23432

The link you posted is a strawman , a red herring , a decoy.

No it wasn't a straw man or anything you said,

it must have been a mirage as its not there.

I never posted a link so you must have seen a mirage.

And if you were bothered to actually look at the bridge itself than you also would have witness the curve of the bridge but not sea beneath it .

Dude, lay of the pipe.

Try and follow.


A link was posted for you to look at by another poster with a simple request that would either prove the earth is flat or prove you lack understanding of certain things.

It's ok to admit that you , yourself have never observed , detected or measured the supposed curve ; no one on this thread ever has .

The curvature of the earth is easily observed and has been by myself and many, many others.

Its OK to admit you don't understand math and that you cant speak for others.

I am conversing with 3 parrots at the same time ; so it is confusing which is which .

About the Math issue , don't be silly .

Where did you observe this curve ?

a reply to: 23432

I am conversing with 3 parrots at the same time ; so it is confusing which is which .

No, its quite simple, reading is something most of us learn at an early age so is math.










How does a helicopter dip below the surface of a lake and then come back up?


Do we have helicopters that one can hire that can fly and then submerge itself and then fly again after being submerged?


Or would such an illusion be due to curvature in which one can roughly predict when the helicopter will come back into view?

Quite a few places on earth one could find to see it for themselves, it will cost a bit but not something insanely expensive.

About the Math issue , don't be silly .

So don't be silly and argue against the proof if you cannot debunk it or as you say "the math issue" something you don't understand.

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: 23432

I am conversing with 3 parrots at the same time ; so it is confusing which is which .

No, its quite simple, reading is something most of us learn at an early age so is math.










How does a helicopter dip below the surface of a lake and then come back up?


Do we have helicopters that one can hire that can fly and then submerge itself and then fly again after being submerged?


Or would such an illusion be due to curvature in which one can roughly predict when the helicopter will come back into view?

Quite a few places on earth one could find to see it for themselves, it will cost a bit but not something insanely expensive.

About the Math issue , don't be silly .

So don't be silly and argue against the proof if you cannot debunk it or as you say "the math issue" something you don't understand.

If reading is so important for you i wonder comprehension also important too .



I did say couple of times that i am not defending the FE but stating a fact based on scientific observation .

I can rent a helicopter for $ 500 an hour here in Istanbul ; can you tell me what I need to do with it once I am on board ?

With all due respect you are telling me that you can't tell the difference between a straight line and a curved line of 1 mile unless you are on helicopter .

Btw , NASA says you can't detect the curvature unless you are really really really high up ; like 20 km or something last I heard .

How high does helicopter goes up ?

It seems you have proven that NASA is wrong .



Please people , get real .

a reply to: 23432

Some pilots say they can see the curve at 40k feet whereas others say they cannot. A helicopter reaches about 25k feet.

a reply to: 23432

Btw , NASA says you can't detect the curvature unless you are really really really high up ; like 20 km or something last I heard .

A person cannot see it with eyes alone unless they are in high altitude.

To detect the curvature, this can be done from ground level.

I can rent a helicopter for $ 500 an hour here in Istanbul ; can you tell me what I need to do with it once I am on board ?

yes, get off it and let it fly to location over water a number kms away.


Depending on how far away it is the helicopter can be seen by you standing at ground level to seem to go underwater and then fly back up again.

If we don't have helicopters that do that then what would create that illusion other than the curvature of the earth.

You haven't witnessed the curvature but the illusion you witness is a sure detection that the earth has curvature.

I did say couple of times that i am not defending the FE but stating a fact based on scientific observation .

The scenario I put forth can be performed as a scientific observation.

We have the math, we can input data and make predictions based on the formulas we have that prove a spherical model.

a reply to: InhaleExhale

LOL, it's more of a debate tactic than anything. When presented with an argument you cannot defend, you laugh it away, and then "deflect, deflect, deflect!!!!"

The cool thing, is the post will be there, even if it's ignored, for as long as the internet is alive. And the deflection will be glaringly obvious to all. Like a permanent reminder of an epic fail.

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
a reply to: 23432

Some pilots say they can see the curve at 40k feet whereas others say they cannot. A helicopter reaches about 25k feet.

The problem is that some other pilots record their flights and at no point anyone can see a curvature either .


Pythogorean Spherical Trigonometry pretty much works out approx. an 8 inch height difference between any given 2 points which are 1 mile apart.

All i am asking is that is there anyone who have observed , detected and / or measured this 8 inch .

No matter what I try , from lasers to ropes to levels ; the bloody curvature is not there .

8 inches over a mile is detectable , measurable and observeable on many land features such as hills , valleys , mountains etc etc .
Your eyes can tell the difference between the curved line and a straight line of 1 mile as well .

None of this obviously a proof for the FE but nevertheless the question arises ; Where is the curvature ?

originally posted by: 23432


Curvature is not there and i offer anyone a pizza if they can please show everyone how to observe , detect and measure it .

It's almost as if you really don't understand this concept. The guy in the link explained it pretty well. See, if two tall structures are both plumb and level, yet they have a variance of distance between the tops and the bottoms, and you can work out the math to explain the difference with the curvature of the Earth, you have just proven the curvature of the earth in a completely reproducible way.

If this is still unclear, please let me know and I'll try to find a better way to explain it.

And I like sausage Mushroom from Santos in Middleburg Hts, Ohio. Please have it hot when it gets here.

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: 23432

Btw , NASA says you can't detect the curvature unless you are really really really high up ; like 20 km or something last I heard .

A person cannot see it with eyes alone unless they are in high altitude.

To detect the curvature, this can be done from ground level.

I can rent a helicopter for $ 500 an hour here in Istanbul ; can you tell me what I need to do with it once I am on board ?

yes, get off it and let it fly to location over water a number kms away.


Depending on how far away it is the helicopter can be seen by you standing at ground level to seem to go underwater and then fly back up again.

If we don't have helicopters that do that then what would create that illusion other than the curvature of the earth.

You haven't witnessed the curvature but the illusion you witness is a sure detection that the earth has curvature.

I did say couple of times that i am not defending the FE but stating a fact based on scientific observation .

The scenario I put forth can be performed as a scientific observation.

We have the math, we can input data and make predictions based on the formulas we have that prove a spherical model.

Consider this scenario ; you are in a tranquil bay and you are in water up to your eye balls . Your friends are also in the sea and they form a perimeter of a circle 1 mile in radius around you . You are at the dead centre of this circle and your friends are on the perimeters of it .

According to Pythogorean Spherical trigonometry ; you should be 8 inches higher than your friends and all of you are floating on a curved ocean .

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: 23432


Curvature is not there and i offer anyone a pizza if they can please show everyone how to observe , detect and measure it .

It's almost as if you really don't understand this concept. The guy in the link explained it pretty well. See, if two tall structures are both plumb and level, yet they have a variance of distance between the tops and the bottoms, and you can work out the math to explain the difference with the curvature of the Earth, you have just proven the curvature of the earth in a completely reproducible way.

If this is still unclear, please let me know and I'll try to find a better way to explain it.

And I like sausage Mushroom from Santos in Middleburg Hts, Ohio. Please have it hot when it gets here.

I would love to be there to see your reaction when you actually " see " it .

I don't blame you , i spent almost 17 years here at ATS and I also regarded this issue as trivial until last year .