I am no longer walking on the path of Islam .

originally posted by: Martin75
a reply to: TJames

You keep telling everyone they have a reading comprehension problem. Maybe you need to work harder at trying to get your words across correctly. When everybody reads what you say the exact same way maybe it was you that said it wrong. Just saying

Behave, how about you butt hurt theists actually quote me instead of lamely twisting my words paraphrasing?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TJames

Sad.

I hope you have never, ever made the mistake of telling anyone that you love them.

We currently have no way of verifying that either.

And if you have felt love, well, that's only your own personal experience, so no one has any way to prove it.

Ridiculous comparison, I know if I'm feeling love for someone, it is the love expressed towards me I cannot verify, merely hold an opinion based on experience how they treat me.
Try again, I thought you were better at debating than this.

a reply to: TJames

Behave, how about you butt hurt theists actually quote me instead of lamely twisting my words paraphrasing?

No, I won't "behave"
You need to learn how to communicate properly.

ETA: I added you quote so the full insult was there. Happy now? You STILL need to learn to communicate properly.

a reply to: Martin75

You need to learn how to quote posts then debate the specific words instead of paraphrasing like your theist mates constantly do.
It's lame and disingenuous.

So go on quote anything I've posted then whine and I'll happily engage, but simple paraphrasing and twisting of clear posted words I'll dismiss as silly immature argument.

originally posted by: TJames

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: TJames

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: TJames
a reply to: intrptr

Still you have nothing to verify anything woo though.
Nothing except personal testimony and why the # would I be swayed by assertions from an anonymous profile on a minor social media type discussion forum?
You got nothing except your own personal belief based on personal experience. Not good enough for me for obvious reasons.

Verification by internet, right. But like you said and I agree, you don't care.

I've posted nowhere that I didn't care, so either quote me or retract that please.

Read your own posts.

why the # would I be swayed by assertions from an anonymous profile on a minor social media type discussion forum?

That's not me saying I don't care if gods exist or not, that's just me asking why I should believe a random stranger on the Internet . Your original statement is wrong and you need to learn to read.

Im reading you just fine.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: TJames

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: TJames

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: TJames
a reply to: intrptr

Still you have nothing to verify anything woo though.
Nothing except personal testimony and why the # would I be swayed by assertions from an anonymous profile on a minor social media type discussion forum?
You got nothing except your own personal belief based on personal experience. Not good enough for me for obvious reasons.

Verification by internet, right. But like you said and I agree, you don't care.

I've posted nowhere that I didn't care, so either quote me or retract that please.

Read your own posts.

why the # would I be swayed by assertions from an anonymous profile on a minor social media type discussion forum?

That's not me saying I don't care if gods exist or not, that's just me asking why I should believe a random stranger on the Internet . Your original statement is wrong and you need to learn to read.

Im reading you just fine.

Which bit?
Again, quote me and make your specific claims or I have no idea what I'm responding to.

a reply to: TJames

I added your quote. Your insult is there now, happy?

I still stand by what I said 100%
-oh little hint if you click on the name you replied to you can read the post without duplicating all the text.

a reply to: Martin75

Sorry still can't see what you're whining about, maybe it's because I'm on my phone.
Try again maybe? I've clicked on all the green name text on this page and don't see what your problem is with me.

ETA
The only problem I see you theists having is that I don't believe your claims of gods.

a reply to: TJames

Oh you're trying to make this personal?
Nope sorry no problem with you, I'm not playing that game. I will no longer be responding to you...
Bless your heart

a reply to: Nikola014

It is quite easy to make a claim, especially when the claim is deceptive. To substantiate a claim is quite another. The game is played thus:

Mohammedans claims adherence to a religion of piece -> others say: no it is not -> Mohammedans play the victim card. -> politically correct speech police takes care of the rest.

Fact check:
Take a map of the Mediterranean and middle east. Copy that 14 times. Now start plotting the attacks done by Mohammedans into Christian territory. ...

You will find that over the course of 1400 years. 1400 years, first they took Alexandria and Jerusalem. (two important Christian places) then they took Antioch (again: an important Christian place), Constantinople (see what happened to Hagia Sophia) tried to invade North Western Europe through the Balkans (Gates of Vienna) They burned down tens of thousands of churches, killed millions of Christians and forced millions of Christian women and children into (sex) slavery. And not contend with those conquered in battle, no, corsairs from barbary sailed all the way up to Ireland to steal women, children and property. And all based on the Q'uran, haddith and the fairy tales of perfect Mo. They use every tool at their disposal to wage the struggle in service of Allah. Sword, horse, terror, womb, immigration, anything! And there is only peace if and when there is no more force against Islam. That is what it is. It began with robbery and it has instituted robbery and continues to do so.

And then what: Crusades? between 622 and 1050 there was no concerted effort from Christians towards Mohammedan violent intrusion and conquest and destruction leading to desertification, erosion of science, erosion of freedom.

And the few times the Christian West did respond, was with force! It was thought that in 732 they already had learned their lesson, but apparently not. The crusades did not convey the right message. 1492 reconquista en the subsequent Spanish occupation of stronghold along the African coast all the way up to Egypt, did not send a message. Our technological advance, the circumvention of their stranglehold on international commerce did not send a message. The bombarding of Algiers did not send a message. The awesome dismemberment of the ottoman empire did not send a message as 1 million Christian Armenians were slaughtered afterwards. And in the West, we still skirt the issue of naming it like it is: o yes Turkey may take offense. As a matter of fact: Turkey still occupies northern part of Cyprus, suppressing Christians. Where is the UN when you need them.

It seems like they now have gotten a taste to eradicate anything that is not the strongman's version of Islam, as Mohammedan is killing with gusto another. I guess, one Robberbaron against the other.

As said before: it started out as a band of Robbers, it instituted robbery and remains a criminal organization, uncivilized, barbarous and cruel.

Although I have nothing against:
1. praying 7 times a day
2. visiting a place as a pilgrim
3. fasting during the day over the period of a month
4. practicing the act of giving to good causes
5a. confessing to believing in one God.
5b: herein lies the rub, the cult aspect if you will.

Consider the Christian confession of faith:
we humans have inherited sinful state, God provided a ransom to rebuy our eternal life, faith in the saving quality of Jesus Christ is shown by: repentance, practicing forgiveness, and seeking forgiveness, love, self control, compassion, honesty, and so forth. Be obedient to authority and do not cling to earthly goods to much.

Why is 5b a problem and taking Jesus as example not? Because the latter healed the sick, cared for the disadvantaged and never EVER chopped someones head off. The most violent thing he has allegedly ever done was turning the tables of the moneychangers and chased them away with a whip of rope. Depending on the source, jesus was either married to Mary Magdalene (grown up) or not married at all but treated women with respect

Compare this to perfect Mo:
- cheating, lying, childraping (he married a six year old, but consummated it at 9), robbing, chopping, enslaving, slaughtering his way to the top. Or ... selfservingly ruthless while proclaiming a 5 tier justice system:
1. for himself as he is THE apostle, so all belongs to him.
2. for the male mohammedan
3. for the female mohammedan
4. for slaves
5. for the dhimmie, meaning you.

And since this is sharia, it becomes clear there is a lot of reason why integration is a phantom. They must be laughing their arses off. First we institute welfare and they are the main recipients. Second, we institute positive discrimination as the public workforce has to be a mirror of the contents of the populace. And now there are countries like Canada, where saying the things I just did are becoming a criminal offense.

Thilo Sarazin wrote a book, a few years ago: Deutschland schaft sich ab. Indeed, this goes for all Western Countries.

Simply being abreast of current affairs (Fitna, Mo cartoon? Battaclan) should have send of red flags to become enamored with submission! Quite the contrary.

Peace!

a reply to: Martin75

LOL you made it personal whining that I couldn't communicate effectively when I was in disagreement with your theist mates


ETA
Then you wouldn't quote the apparent unclear posts of mine as you claim, then you run away.
Couldn't make it up but thanks for the mild amusement engaging with you.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Itisnowagain

And yet you attempt to help "non-existent" people when it suits you...LOL


www.abovetopsecret.com...

There are many people abandoning porn - because they want to be able to make love to their partners.

In the appearance of life (the image of God) apparent people are giving up porn.

Would you give a brief synopsis of what you think this reality is?

Are we all gods? Maybe we are all the same being who split itself off into multiple material objects? Is this life simply an illusion and if so, to what end? Why don't we have full control of our actions? I am trying to follow but I missing something.

originally posted by: ClovenSky
Maybe we are all the same being who split itself off into multiple material objects?

There is only 'being' - 'being' appears as what is appearing. There are no things, no beings.

Is this life simply an illusion and if so, to what end?

Life isn't any thing - no label - it is what appears to be happening - no beginning and no end - it is complete - nowhere to go.

Why don't we have full control of our actions? I am trying to follow but I missing something.

There is no control of actions - there isn't a separate action.
'You' are not missing some 'thing' - there is an assumption of 'things' when there is only ever what is happening.

a reply to: ClovenSky

Are we all gods?

You aren't!!
Not 'you' are not a 'god'. But there is no you.
There is just what there is - it is all that is - but it is not a thing - it is all.
There are no things - words arise that try to frame some 'thing' but no thing ever truly forms.

a reply to: ClovenSky

Would you give a brief synopsis of what you think this reality is?

It is like a movie that is watching itself.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Do you try and make this as complicated as possible? Is there no way to simplify your thoughts so others can understand? Are you saying that there is only the now and everything else is insignificant?

We are not physical beings but just a sensation? Who is receiving this sensory input? The concept of 'self' is an illusion?

Does this thought process give you comfort? Is it easier to pretend this existence is closer to a very passive role with little to no conscious control?

My apologies, this is probably outside of my ability to understand. Thanks for trying though.

originally posted by: ClovenSky
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Do you try and make this as complicated as possible? Is there no way to simplify your thoughts so others can understand?

Are you saying that there is only the now and everything else is insignificant?

We are not physical beings but just a sensation? Who is receiving this sensory input? The concept of 'self' is an illusion?

Does this thought process give you comfort? Is it easier to pretend this existence is closer to a very passive role with little to no conscious control?

My apologies, this is probably outside of my ability to understand. Thanks for trying though.

It is so hard to put this across - words are the only tool and words confuse.
There is only ever what is happening - what is happening is not two - no you seeing something. You are assumed to be separate from what you see.

It is not a thought process that gives me comfort. 'Me' does not exist.

Thoughts arise but where is the one that thought them? The one that thought them (the thinker) is an assumption.

originally posted by: ClovenSky
Does this thought process give you comfort?

Is there comfort in blaming and the feeling of guilt? Hating someone for what they did or did not do?
How long does anger last when you see no one in the car that smashed into you?

The belief that everyone chooses to be they way they are does not bring peace and compassion - it breeds hate and blame and shame.

WORDS / IDEAS

We are word and idea junkies; we are addicted to semantic systems.

This means that we use words/ideas with an unchallenged confidence that they bear a somewhat accurate correspondence to the actual state of things, Reality.

Within a limited context this may be somewhat true. We can record information, instructions, recipes, etc. in words, and another human will be able to use those words to approximate the "real-world" conditions we intended to refer to. This semantic functionality has apparently given our species a large evolutionary advantage.

BUT... for "spirituality", inquiry into Reality, into our true condition, words/ideas are worse than useless. They are potentially our biggest impediment.

This is because we may tend to assume that the objects/actions which words refer to, ACTUALLY EXIST IN THE WAY THE WORDS THAT REFER TO THEM SEEM TO DEFINE THEM. That is, we may tend to view our experience as being actually made up of the objects and actions that the words we are using to describe it imply.

This is a fundamental mistake, due to the fact that ALL experience is in actuality an infinite, constantly changing, non-repeating, indefinable (in any final way), unpatterned field of miraculously appearing Radiantly Present "energies" existing nowhere else than IN experience, perceived by unknowable, miraculously appearing "consciousness". But our use of words implies that objects and actions may actually exist in the way we refer to them, as knowable, definable objectively existing "beings", "things" and "situations".

This is actually NOT the case.theopendoorway.org...

Gosh it's so hard to find the right book with all the answers!