Liberals thoughts based on emotions not logic

First, almost everyone has gotten painfully off-topic...and in regards to the arguement that conservatives use logic...I'm going to disagree. The radical, not conservative, contemporary GOP (which has been hijacked by the PNAC) uses fictions to generate their geo-political ends, this documentary on the web should clarify this issue (its in three parts): www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1037.htm

And I also must agree with OXman, it seems its to far gone for any real change to occur, the ultra-rich have pulled the wool over our collective eyes for so long (and I refer to the Democrats as well, not to mention the political parties in Canada, whose present day 'liberal' prime Minister was a former shipping magnate worth over 200 million dollars US) that I dont see much hope in sight. So in the words of the late great Bill Hicks "GO back to Bed America, Your Government is in Control. You are Free to Do what We Tell you"

No, I am not emotional at all. I am just sick of hearing about how the poor blacks have it. Racist, I am not the one who says blacks need a handicap to compete. I know plenty that can compete with whites just fine. they also have their job because they are capable not because they are black.

Back to the topic, I agree with the last comment completely. I happen to think Republicans are now as liberal as the democrats were when they were in power. I consider Republican's Socialism-lite pathetic. Everyones hand is in the federal cookie jar. See my quote below.

Off topic, if these Koreans can come over here and work their tails off to become upper middle class in just a few years and they can not even speak English at first, then the rest of those cry babies can eat the left over garbage of the Socialist state. They are bought and paid for much like those rich plantation masters (KKK) like the Democrat Robert Birdie boy. And yes that mentality still is in the south. Now they have temp agencies and pathetic public school systems for their supply of illiterates. It may surprise you but it the same Democrat families that owned slaves before that war that run the manufacturing temp agencies. Now that is a topic worth starting a thread over.

Sorry for reading your mind. Maybe I did jump to the always inevitable conclusion of were you likely have gone before just to save thread space

Originally posted by Reaganwasourgreatest
No, I am not emotional at all.

Why are you being intentionally dishonest?

You're famous.

Originally posted by RANT

Originally posted by Reaganwasourgreatest
No, I am not emotional at all.

Why are you being intentionally dishonest?

You're famous.

Trust me, he is not the emotional type.......just hard headed like me....

[edit on 4-3-2005 by edsinger]

I am very passionate about my faith. That I can not apply logic to as I have always contended. As we get to know each other Rant, as perceptive as you obviously are, you will discover why most all my decisions are based upon logic. So you are right, 'most' does not mean 'all'.

Everyone Rant is correct, I do have emotions.

I just do not use them to make decisions. When I get emotional about something, I know my decisions are more likely to be poor or irrational. I wait until later to respond after I have weighed the situation and contemplated the consequences. knight to queen' s pawn four.

What emotion I am really talking about is fear. I do not base any decision on fear. If I did, I do some planning for the future. Liberals live in fear. Decisions based on love, yes obviously I do that otherwise I would not have remained married for 23 years to the only person I ever dated or even kissed passionately.

Liberals live in fear and react emotionally rather than logically.

They fear their job will go to China/ Mexico. They fear that the wealthy will not pay their fair share (graduated income tax) They fear that school vouchers will ruin public education (they fear they can not compete with private schools). They fear they will be discriminated against because of their skin color. They fear they are profiled because of their skin color when in fact it is because of their social economic status. They fear the poor will be left to starve and may riot and burn their houses down. The fear that when they get old they will not be able to feed themselves or get adequate medical care. They fear that those young kids paying into a private account will mean they will not be able to make their Winnebago payments. They fear................ But they do not fear God.

And you people don't live in fear? From what I gather, you are afraid of a homosexual uprising. Afraid that they will destroy the sanctity of marriage. Afraid that you will burn in hell for not being an activist against these acts. Afraid that the Communists are coming. Afraid that the liberals will ruin America. You see where I am going with this? You live in fear too my friend. And many things you do are at least in part based on it. No one can escape from emotions completely.

And besides, do you think Conservatives never suffer from those fears? Do you think only liberals live in big cities? I can tell you there are Conservatives that fear losing their jobs to Mexico/China. There are some that are worried about their future. (Those already to old to change things/trusting the system) Are you telling me there are no black/Chinese/Arabic Conservatives? I'm pretty sure they have been worried about being discriminated against. Also, with the AA rants, CONSERVATIVES ARE AFRAID OF BEING RACIALLY DISCRIMINATED AGAINST! And yes, some are not afraid of God. I believe there is an atheistic ATS'er here or two. Everyone lives in fear regardless of their political slant.

I do not live in fear. I do fear doing things like driving in the snow and ice. I do not fear homo's or their attempt to legitimize their perversion with marrage. Personally, I think hetersexual divorces have done more to destroy this country than ANYTHING else. I do not want my insurance rates going up because the people tend to live lacivious lifstyles that results in diseases.

AIDS Bug Chasers
Michael Arnold Glueck, M.D.,
and Robert J. Cihak, M.D.
Tuesday, Jan. 28, 2003
Human attitudes toward disease never have been, and never can be, entirely rational. For the last few millennia, and far too often today, many diseases have been regarded as divine punishment for individual or communal sins. Other diseases - cancer and some forms of mental illness, for example - have been stigmatized for cultural and social reasons.
And some diseases have been "favored" politically and even rendered "fashionable." In the 19th century, tuberculosis was considered a signifier of artistic temperament.

Today, it seems, nearly every disease known to humanity has some philanthropic association devoted to its eradication, and some high-powered D.C. lobbyist busily hustling for federal bucks.


In our time, HIV/AIDS has been all of these. But not until recently has there been much publicity accorded the phenomenon of "bug chasers" - gay men who wish to acquire the disease.


Assuming that the recent publicity is true.


The furor started with an article in Rolling Stone, "Bug Chasers: The men who long to be HIV+." The reporter, one Gregory A. Freeman, claims to have interviewed an attractive young gay gent named "Carlos" (For real? A phony? A "composite"?) who, whilst slurping his grande Caffe Mocha at a New York Starbucks, claimed to be actively seeking infection - a "bug chaser" in search of, via the Internet and other modalities, a "gift giver" whose infected semen is regarded in his set as "liquid gold."

Getting HIV, according to the Carlos et al., generates a primal erotic experience (Is this the time it happens?), a conversion experience ("Breed me! Seed me!"), a sense of community and belonging ("The more we are, the stronger we are") and, subsequently, the thrill of infecting others, whether they want the experience or not.




Finally


I just do not base my decisions on fear but on logic.

Why should I fear?

Rom 8:31-9:1
31 What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all-how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died-more than that, who was raised to life-is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:

"For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."

37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

NIV

Originally posted by Reaganwasourgreatest

In our time, HIV/AIDS has been all of these. But not until recently has there been much publicity accorded the phenomenon of "bug chasers" - gay men who wish to acquire the disease.


Assuming that the recent publicity is true.


The furor started with an article in Rolling Stone, "Bug Chasers: The men who long to be HIV+." The reporter, one Gregory A. Freeman, claims to have interviewed an attractive young gay gent named "Carlos" (For real? A phony? A "composite"?) who, whilst slurping his grande Caffe Mocha at a New York Starbucks, claimed to be actively seeking infection - a "bug chaser" in search of, via the Internet and other modalities, a "gift giver" whose infected semen is regarded in his set as "liquid gold."

Getting HIV, according to the Carlos et al., generates a primal erotic experience (Is this the time it happens?), a conversion experience ("Breed me! Seed me!"), a sense of community and belonging ("The more we are, the stronger we are") and, subsequently, the thrill of infecting others, whether they want the experience or not.

Is this true? What the hell are they thinking? Symapthy but a death sentence to get it?


Man I never knew.....that is just sick.

Wait, Ive read through this thread and the very first thing I seen pop out to me was the part about non christian believers liveing in fear...
Why do you think that?
Liberal and the left side of the spectrum, In my opinion stand for freedom to the people, rights of the people, protection and well being of the people.
I believe the left is for peace and wants to stop wars.
Mind you the part you belong to is really your interpritations of the party's stance on things.

Because it is so. You do not believe therefore you can not know true peace.

Phil 4:7-9
7 And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable-if anything is excellent or praiseworthy-think about such things. 9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me-put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.
NIV

My attempt at tough love to you.

If you do believe in Jesus tell me what you believe so I may be admonished.

Originally posted by Reaganwasourgreatest
Because it is so. You do not believe therefore you can not know true peace.

Who says so?
You?
Me?
Jesus?
God?
There are variations of "peace" my my peace is knowing my friends and family are safe and knowing I have done all I can to help people.

If you do believe in Jesus tell me what you believe so I may be admonished.

I dont believe in jesus, I believe in equiality and being humane.
Once we learn how to stop argueing, sit down ,look around and see the mess this world is in then and only then will we manage to stop the pathetic excuses for war.
Also, you used a extract from the bible (if I am wrong correct me) but I dont believe in it, why did you use it?
IMO faith in something is good, what you believe in isnt really something to be concerned with but how and why you believe are.
There's more but I cant put it into words....

Because the Bible is the only standard we, Christains use to to determine right and wrong, truth and falsehoods, love and true love, peace and real peace (no fear!).

Originally posted by Reaganwasourgreatest
Because the Bible is the only standard we, Christains use to to determine right and wrong, truth and falsehoods, love and true love, peace and real peace (no fear!).

Yet there was many wars in gods name, is that not agaisnt gods wishes?

You need to read that which you have contempt for. You may like the ammo you find particularly where God orders the extermination of the entire town including animals. Before you go a searching, I will remind you to read the whole part not just comment on one sentence

Originally posted by Reaganwasourgreatest
You need to read that which you have contempt for. You may like the ammo you find particularly where God orders the extermination of the entire town including animals. Before you go a searching, I will remind you to read the whole part not just comment on one sentence

I have read parts of the bible but it seems to me highly unbelievable.
And I find it highly unlikely that it is not highly biased and edited.

Logically speaking, I would agree. There is no logic in my faith except maybe one thing.

It appears logical that a DNA strand is engineered not by random chance.

Originally posted by Reaganwasourgreatest
Logically speaking, I would agree. There is no logic in my faith except maybe one thing.

It appears logical that a DNA strand is engineered not by random chance.

DNA ah, the building plans for life.
Well IMO its one of natures great desgins.
I mean nature makes what it needs to survive.
If nothing is available it creates a new way.
It seems hihgly probible that DNA was made by nature.

nope, It was engineered. If you were an engineer, it would be more obvious.

At a bare minimum, this planet had to be seeded.

Originally posted by Reaganwasourgreatest
nope, It was engineered. If you were an engineer, it would be more obvious.

At a bare minimum, this planet had to be seeded.

Yes most likely engineered by nature, although we dont know exactly what nature is, we know what animals make up nature but ah well.
You sound like you have already proved it....

I was raised christian, and nowhere in the new testament does Jesus say anything about homosexual relations...does no-one else consider the immense contradictions between the old and new testaments? Jesus' philosophy was based solely on LOVE...without judgement, as he himself said "Let thee without sin, cast the first stone"...last time I checked...the only people without sin was Jesus and perhaps Mary if your'e catholic. But it is NOT our place to judge. IMO, Jesus was the first proponent of libertarian socialism, anarchism if you truly do some research. Luke, I believe is the best representation of these facts...for all of you who covet wealth...Jesus stipulated that "It is easier for a Camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a wealthy man to enter the kingdom of heaven"...now im usually quite responsible when it comes to posting a source for the quote, but in all honesty, its in the Gospels. (I have a sociology term paper, lame excuse, but i'm procrastinating by being on this forum! hence my negligence with regards to sourcing! apologies)