Liberals thoughts based on emotions not logic

Where did you go Reagaman? Dang another decent minded God Fearing person comes in and he is chased off by the liberal pansies....


Well I ain't leaving..................

Thank JESUS we have strong macho types like you here Ed, or we'd be overrun!

I'd wager that guy wasn't even born when Nancy Regan was president.

Originally posted by Bout Time
Thank JESUS we have strong macho types like you here Ed, or we'd be overrun!

I'd wager that guy wasn't even born when Nancy Regan was president.

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You would loose.......

The question is not emotion or logic but perspective. Why is it that "in general"the blue states have lower unemployment,higher wages, higher property values, etc.etc.etc.... We use our gov't to improve all our lives. Something that happens across town may not directly effct me but the ramifications absolutely do.Lowering my taxes sure sounnds good. But at what cost? School closing, unaffordable houseing, shrinking of badly needed programs. All of which will effect me in the future.Do we reduce primary health care for the working poor, only to have them show up in the emergency room for preventable illness at 3or 4 times the cost. We all have a vested intrest in the wellbeing of one another. Even red/blue

Originally posted by DDay
The question is not emotion or logic but perspective. Why is it that "in general"the blue states have lower unemployment,higher wages, higher property values, etc.etc.etc....

Simple : That is where the best welfare and government freebie's are to be found. What does property cost so much? Well the taxes are so high to support the socialism that the plain 'cost of living' is that much higher.

Why are people leaving these blue states for red ones where they can make a decent living and not give all their money to the feds to hand out and redistibute to those who contribute nothing and want a free ride? (California is one that this is a BIG problem in.)

You can perceive that you are thoughtful but that does not make it so.

Yes, I agree but wages are higher as are taxes. The cost of living is higher and the birthrate is lower when you factor in abortion.

I live in a blue State. I see many people that you would no doubt claim are better off here than in say..... Tennessee. What you fail to see is that these people's lives are limited. They have no future. The only thing they can hope for is a new program or another handout. Maybe it is just me but I would have trouble living as a user instead of as a producer. I want to leave this world knowing that I contributed something other than a bunch of illegitimate child red to the public dole. No it has nothing to do with race. It is bounded by one thing. Lack of self esteem. This does not apply to those truly disabled by age or infirmity. They are in our need and we should help them. But the rest, those that are taught because of their skin color they are intellectually inferior and can not compete if they are tested equally on their skills. The truth is my one lab partner at Illinois, smart young black woman that could compete with me on any test was hired at a starting salary exceeding mine by 20K. I am not envious ( I do not covet) in the least. She was a nice person and i hope she is making twice that now or thrice mine. She was hired because she was black and female. I was hired because I was a new EE grad from Illinois. Affirmative action, what a way to disparage an entire race. Blacks can compete equally with whites but that will take a culture change. The thing they are most proud of is the thing that hurts them most. So they attack Cosby for stating truth. Well better than slashing Republican vans to repress the vote. Funny how everything the liberals accuse conservatives of they are in fact guilty of?

Prov 16:18
8 Pride goes before destruction,
a haughty spirit before a fall.
NIV

I have a fairly large family. Nearly all of them in my state, which is a red state, are very religious Christian conservatives. However over half of my conservative family is on some type of anti-depressant medication despite having religion in their lives. I don't take any type of psychoactive medications for my problems perceived or real and as an agnostic I have zero religious beliefs. Beyond my family there are many other people I know who are on some type of happy pill and as is par for the course for my state, they are conservatives. Though I will say that many people outside my family who take such medications are usually not religious types despite being fairly conservative people.

You are right and I will not try to convert you either. I believe you time is just not right yet.

I am a Libertarian, that is my political belief.

I also happen to a Wisconsin Lutheran. That is my personal religious belief.

Many Libertarians are not of my faith and some I think lean more to the left than the right. I am not a true anarchist either. I percieve that if love ruled the world as my faith desires it would be anarchy to all most all of those who do not share my faith.

This is off topic.
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back to the thread, conservative christians trust in God to provide all. Liberals do not trust anything, They want guarrantees that all their "entitlements will be there for their security'. They are afraid the poor will starve and the weakest will be victimized. They are in fact right they both are but not by Evangelical Christians, we value life and feed the poor. We are actually very efficient doing so, because most of us do it ffor free unlike the exs at United Way. We do not want people taking from us to further what we think is an evil agenda.


Here is what I propose. Stop taxing Christians, let us take care of our own and let the liberals take care of the rest of you. Lets see how well the liberal side takes care of people and how well Christ's side takes care of the Church. Every otherthing that both will use let there be a user tax.

After a few years let see who wants to be in what group.

Now the question, how do we distinguish beween those two groups so the othergroup does not get stiffed for a bill..

Well we could all mark our foreheads and or hands..........................

Christianity is not logical and can not be understood with logic. That takes a gift from the Holy Spirit.

Time is getting short.............

It's a matter of perspective. How you view the world is the complete construct for everything in your life. Love, work, people, government, money, etc, etc, etc.

Some Christians don't have the right perspective, and that tends to allow them to lie to themselves. This is a universal problem though, and not solely attributable to Christians (merely an example).

Liberals are not what most of the right thinks they are. Conservatives are not what most leftists think they are either.

But why?

The only answer, is that in a failing system, neither side can get results because the government is too big, and progress is too slow. The folks in Washington have abandoned their platforms for the topic de jour.

It's Social Security at the moment, but let's be honest, it's the whole thing that needs adjustment.

Originally posted by KrazyJethro


It's Social Security at the moment, but let's be honest, it's the whole thing that needs adjustment.

I couldn't agree with you more, maybe a Continental Congress again?

If you are serious, then no, I don't think that's a good idea. It would become too drawn out, too publicized, too overanalized, etc. Not to mention, that the politicians we have in office right now are part of the problem.

I'm reading that a lot of conservatives support a "National Service" program. We have 2.3 million (roughly, but I actually think it's more than that) people turning 18 each year. That would increase the federal payroll, or state, (but let's be honest, state would only be federal runoff, so it would only serve to make it more ineffeciant that it already would be) by 4-5 million jobs with rolling schools (because we can't have oceans of untrained people.

But that is exactly what we would get. THAT is the conservative mindset these days. Completely contradictory to what it is supposed to be.

I think we need some hardcore Constitutional guys to think things through.

Originally posted by KrazyJethro


I think we need some hardcore Constitutional guys to think things through.

Exactly an old style Continental Congress indeed, back to the basics!

Very insightful gentlemen.

I have worked for small and large companies. The larger the company, the more time I waste in meetings. I wish the Repubs would truly try to make the Fed smaller, shift more to the states. If the states want to be progressive and reward people for not working then guess what, thats where those people will migrate to. good riddance

Originally posted by edsinger

Originally posted by KrazyJethro


I think we need some hardcore Constitutional guys to think things through.

Exactly an old style Continental Congress indeed, back to the basics!

I'm gunna jump on in and agree.

What this nation needs is to take away federal power and put it at the most localized level it can.

The less the government is involved, the better.

Sadly, no changes could help us at this point. Little changes will no longer fix problems. We need Earth Shattering changes. We almost need a Revolution at this point.

Do you think GWB spends his time worrying about you? What about John Kerry? Dean, Cheney, Rumsfeld, liberal millionaire Willie Mount? (My favorite commercial from these past elections...gotta love the SW Louisiana propaganda machine) Do you think these people have fear of the people? No. No one at the top even respects you. Any of you. You are just as useful as cattle to them, with the exception of election year. All that these folks have done is help the rich continue becoming richer.

And what is worse, we buy into this political machine. Do you honestly believe that we will make this country better by voting in more extreme people each election? You are an idiot if you truly believe it. And besides, the further you move from the center on the spectrum, the more control the Top %1 of this country has over you. That is the one major thing that both the right and left have in common...control. And they will if you people do not stop the pettyness and vote for someone worthwhile. But that probably won't stop it.

Ultimately, I have no real suggestions...just observations. Like the garbage with the caucus...no forth branch of government...no more real democracy in our democratic republic...all we have left is a republic that no longer cares...ignores state's rights...ignores it's people...ignores the outside world unless it can give us a better stranglehold on the world...blah. But I also think the future is bleak and we are the Omega Generation...what do I know...

Well de-fanging the Feds would be a good start, seems this nation has already had a war over states rights once.....

Good luck with that...the Fed is the ones with all of the flamethrowers...grenade launchers...bombs...bombers...

And also, that last battle over state's rights ended kinda badly for those supported state's rights...but nevertheless, something has to happen...I just don't see the population believing in something enough to sacrifice for it...but I am also one of the largest pessimists ever.

Fe "state's rights"

If the states fighting for states rights had gotten their wish at a bare minimum a large segment of our population would be busy keeping their heads down to avoid the ire of the Klan if not in actual servitude. I'm not saying that all the people of the South are racist just that if the Fed had'nt been around to force a paradigm shift we'd still have such shining examples of civilization as anti-miscegenation laws on the books.

Thats the whole problem I have with the conservative drive for small government. Its good to have a superior body step in sometimes to set things straight when the locals go nuts.

Once again I hear emotions not logic!

Is there a black person out there that thinks a million white people cared so much about Massa's extremely expensive property that they would be willing to die for those rich SOB's property? Do you really think all those northerners died so Black people could be free?

These people were poor share croppers. When they or their child got sick, they either got well on their own or died. When that extremely expensive property of da Massa's got sick, a doctor was called. Do you think those SOB's would starve to death their Bentleys and Rolls. Share croppers starved.

Where were all those wonderful Abolitionists when the war was over? Do you have any idea how many poor free black people died because Massa no longer cared for them and fed them?

You FEEL angry at the south for that war.

Those people that died believed they thought they were doing God's work by fighting back invaders. They cared less about the blacks. They were more worried about their own next meal. The northerners cared less about the blacks as well. They wanted to keep the Union intact nothing more. Emancipation Proclamation was only a cover. Why would Lincoln plan on sending them back to Africa? They would likely starve or be captured by other black tribes and sold by Islamic merchants to other people as they still are doing today. You liberals and revisionist history! Boy, these public schools are wonderful.

I dont know if you noticed this but I never mentioned the Civil War in my post not even once. The only thing I said is that if the Fed hadnt forced a paradigm shift in the South blacks would still be living in fear. You took this to mean that I was talking about the Civil War without thinking it through and made the usual defensive response all confederate apologist make. Mainly that the Civil War was about states rights the South was really just fighting for freedom Blah Blah Blah. Whatever... the cause of the Civial War is a point for another thread to establish this thread is about Liberal thought and how it is based on emotion not logic. Kind of hard to make that point when you get defensive about the South's colored history and make a post completely unrelated to my point. Seems more like your thought process is based on emotion and not mine.

See if you hadnt gotten defensive the moment I mentioned blacks got a raw deal in history (key signs of a closet rascist in my opinion) at the hands of the south you would have realized that the Civil War did not establish a paradigm shift in Southern society and did not establish a free black society so logically I could not have been talking about that. Instead of thinking about how black people only really became free with the succeses of the Civil Rights movement (which incidently the south fought against under the guise of protecting "states rights" I might add) you made an illogical emotional post about how slaves were never mistreated "Liberal revisionist history" and how "wonderful" our public schools are. Seems like your the emotional one not me Mr. "Conservative".

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