3 dead after school shooting in California, shooter stopped by deputies

originally posted by: jacquesdarippa

originally posted by: face23785

If you are a gun owner, you are a danger to yourself and those around you. No one as ill informed as you are should own a gun. I highly encourage you to get rid of it or take some classes. Your lack of basic knowledge is much more dangerous than the gun itself.

It sits there collecting dust, where it should be.

Well go turn in to the cops and get your $5 bucks and write off the loss.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: jacquesdarippa

Got one.

Coward.

Don't use that, "I finally gave in, so they would shut it, " as an excuse.

Hung by your own petard.

Oh, I hope that no one ever bypasses whatever you have in the way of security, gets a hold of your gun, and then uses that gun to commit any kind of crime whatsoever because you are obviously at fault for that persons actions.

I have my doubts the poster really owns a gun. I've personally known someone who tried to lie about owning one in order to give their anti-gun arguments more credibility, when in fact they did not own one. They're not above lying to advance their agenda, we can all see that by the nonsense they post.

originally posted by: jacquesdarippa

originally posted by: face23785

If you are a gun owner, you are a danger to yourself and those around you. No one as ill informed as you are should own a gun. I highly encourage you to get rid of it or take some classes. Your lack of basic knowledge is much more dangerous than the gun itself.

It sits there collecting dust, where it should be.

If it's collecting dust that means you don't practice and you don't clean it. Please, please, please take a class or sell it. It's more of a danger to you than a help if you don't exercise responsible ownership. You are the reason accidents happen.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: jacquesdarippa

It really takes away from the gravitas of making a dramatic "I'm not talking to you anymore!" post when you keep coming back to talk more.

Whoa whoa, calm down you meanie poopoo-head coward!

originally posted by: jacquesdarippa
Never said it was a legal gun, just saying that the gun laws that exist now are doing nothing to stop illegal guns. They need to create stricter laws regarding illegal guns. Random stop and check or home visit, when person is known criminal.

We are a nation of laws with punishments--when the punishment is complete, the expectation is that you should be able to go back into society and be a productive member. Of course, there are restrictions for people who are convicted felons, or pedophiles, or wife beaters, or rapists, etc., but for the average "known criminal," they are considered average members of society.

With that in mind, the 4th Amendment is a BIG thing here in America, so, no, "random stop and check or home visit(s)" are not an appropriate thing simply because someone has committed a crime in the past.

Stricter laws will do nothing; stricter punishments might, but there are no guarantees, and many states have effective punishments, IMO, to deter well-balanced people from doing things like what we are discussing in this thread.

So, what more, specifically, do you think should happen that would be in the confines of the Constitution and citizens' rights, yet actually be effective in curbing violent, murderous behavior by people who are obviously mentally out to lunch?

a reply to: jacquesdarippa

Just as not everyone decides to drive a car in life, so too many or most people choose not to own or carry a gun. Guns are not for everyone any more than Crochet or Knitting for others. It really is OK to not be comfortable with or around guns, there is no shame in that, but to want to see ALL guns taken away from everyone who chooses to own, carry, practice with them is un-American and cowardish. I personally have cut myself while prep cooking in my kitchen, but I dont want all sharp knives taken out of the kitchen section at the store and literally banned from anyone but a Professional Chef because of it.

originally posted by: face23785


If it's collecting dust that means you don't practice and you don't clean it. Please, please, please take a class or sell it. It's more of a danger to you than a help if you don't exercise responsible ownership. You are the reason accidents happen.

Of course I took that stupid little class and even shot those paper targets because we all know the bad guy is just going to stand there while I shoot him. I wouldn't have got the gun without some training.

It still is a useless tool to me.

Here is something actually related to the topic of the thread (many apologies for engaging in the off topic ridiculousness)

Five people are dead — including the suspect — in a mass shooting at a school some 15 miles southwest of Red Bluff, where at least another 10 people have been hospitalized, some of them children.

Tehama County Undersheriff Phil Johnston confirmed two children were also shot and wounded, but said children were not among the dead.

UPDATE: No children among five killed in Rancho Tehama shooting

At least this is some good news.



ETA:

I do want to make note of this particularly deceptive bit of attempted (successful in many people's case) bit of manipulation:

...in a mass shooting at a school...

From what I can tell, the school is only one of many locations that were affected, but this article would have you think that the entirety of the event was focused on the school. It's this type of intentionally misleading and dishonest reporting that affects the weak minded to continue the circular logic many engage in.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
What? Sarcasm? No man, I totally buy into magic wand solutions!

I'd buy into it, too, but only after a background check and an assurance that the magic wand only hold ten spells at a time.

ETA: Also, why are people arguing with a guy on a thread about a mass shooting who chose to name himself on ATS after a notorious serial killer? I'm pretty sure that alone negates any validity to his arguments.

originally posted by: jacquesdarippa

originally posted by: face23785


If it's collecting dust that means you don't practice and you don't clean it. Please, please, please take a class or sell it. It's more of a danger to you than a help if you don't exercise responsible ownership. You are the reason accidents happen.

Of course I took that stupid little class and even shot those paper targets because we all know the bad guy is just going to stand there while I shoot him. I wouldn't have got the gun without some training.

It still is a useless tool to me.

Lol no you didn't. Just stop.

originally posted by: antar
a reply to: jacquesdarippa

Just as not everyone decides to drive a car in life, so too many or most people choose not to own or carry a gun. Guns are not for everyone any more than Crochet or Knitting for others. It really is OK to not be comfortable with or around guns, there is no shame in that, but to want to see ALL guns taken away from everyone who chooses to own, carry, practice with them is un-American and cowardish. I personally have cut myself while prep cooking in my kitchen, but I dont want all sharp knives taken out of the kitchen section at the store and literally banned from anyone but a Professional Chef because of it.

Actually my family said I would safer if I got one. Such BS, it does not give me more courage or make me feel any safer than I was before I got one. I have been walking around unarmed all my life and have never felt scared of those boogeymen (that most gun owners constantly think of) are around every corner.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: jacquesdarippa

originally posted by: face23785


If it's collecting dust that means you don't practice and you don't clean it. Please, please, please take a class or sell it. It's more of a danger to you than a help if you don't exercise responsible ownership. You are the reason accidents happen.

Of course I took that stupid little class and even shot those paper targets because we all know the bad guy is just going to stand there while I shoot him. I wouldn't have got the gun without some training.

It still is a useless tool to me.

Lol no you didn't. Just stop.

Yeah your right I am on an anonymous forum and lying to complete strangers who I probably will never meet. (eye roll)

Like I said keep your guns and live in fear. Mine doesn't make me feel any safer or braver than before one. If it make you those, than that is just sad.

originally posted by: jacquesdarippa

originally posted by: face23785


If it's collecting dust that means you don't practice and you don't clean it. Please, please, please take a class or sell it. It's more of a danger to you than a help if you don't exercise responsible ownership. You are the reason accidents happen.

Of course I took that stupid little class and even shot those paper targets because we all know the bad guy is just going to stand there while I shoot him. I wouldn't have got the gun without some training.

It still is a useless tool to me.

You completely misunderstood the purpose of the class then and I encourage you to take it again with an open mind. Ask questions. The class is useless if you go into it with a closed mind determined not to learn anything. You also need to regularly practice, even if it's just every month or two that's better than nothing. If you're unable or unwilling to do that, you shouldn't own one. I know I'm just an evil gun-rights guy who like seeing dead kids in your eyes, but in reality I'm a big advocate of gun safety and I'm giving you sound advice.

a reply to: jacquesdarippa

Then why do you have it?

Maybe if you got a chain bayonet ... that might help.

a reply to: jacquesdarippa

It still is a useless tool to me.

Alright then.

Tell us what it is.

Brand,caliber,type.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: jacquesdarippa

Then why do you have it?

Maybe if you got a chain bayonet ... that might help.

You meant chainsaw bayonet right?

originally posted by: jacquesdarippa

originally posted by: face23785

If you are a gun owner, you are a danger to yourself and those around you. No one as ill informed as you are should own a gun. I highly encourage you to get rid of it or take some classes. Your lack of basic knowledge is much more dangerous than the gun itself.

It sits there collecting dust, where it should be.

It's impossible to take the psychosexual component out of gun ownership; firearms are a definite powerful male sex symbol.

I'm proud to report I have a very nice long gun. 30-06 bolt action, very accurate...

a reply to: olaru12

It's impossible to take the psychosexual component out of gun ownership; firearms are a definite powerful male sex symbol.

So is a ferrari what's your point ?

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: jacquesdarippa

It still is a useless tool to me.

Alright then.

Tell us what it is.

Brand,caliber,type.

A small black one. Hold i'll go check. Bought from brother in law.

originally posted by: jacquesdarippa

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: jacquesdarippa

It still is a useless tool to me.

Alright then.

Tell us what it is.

Brand,caliber,type.

A small black one. Hold i'll go check. Bought from brother in law.

Did he do a background check before selling to you?