The Russian revolution.

What a pickled world we have made and it still continues. A wonderful presentation from the BBC is worth a few Minutes of your time maybe ?
Peace all.

Troops on the streets At the end of October 1917, the Bolsheviks seized power. Vladimir Raffe's father watched the revolution unfolding on the streets of Moscow: "A young guard walks up and down by the Kremlin gates, bayonet in hand, cigarette in his mouth. Round the corner, in Nikolskaya Street, revolutionaries push a cannon past the Muir and Merrilees department store. The Kremlin gates close. The guards disappear. "That’s how my father remembered the start of the revolution in Moscow.

www.bbc.co.uk...

And then what came next...

....to think people would ever hold their flag again, in the US no less, is as insane as seeing people with nazi symbols.

The problem with all powerful governments is the same as everything else: Human Nature.

There always ends up being sadistic psychopath tyrants take the helm, and the more all powerful you make a government the higher the odds that dark pattern emerges, and the more ensured they persist.

And every single time the Big Story is how the citizens openly submit; the henchmen fully commit to all of the worst of it.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Stalin was Dzhugashvili. Georgian. Georgians are not Indo Europeans. Very cruel.

a reply to: bernsturn

What does "race" / ethnicity have to do with anything I'm underscoring. These are iron laws that apply to all Homo sapiens.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Indo Europeans invented modern law and they have had the most experienced with modern culture and values. Georgians are not Indo Europeans and they don't have experience with modern culture and values. Stalin was an absolute monster who treated people horribly and knew nothing about sharing power and modern political system.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

It's insane to me too people still hold up US flags with pride, after Vietnam, Guantanamo, ... capitalism has costed more lifes than every ideology before. Get off your high horse.
Talks about dark patterns...

Big part of the Bolshevik idea was the collective. Rule of the proletariat, that a single dictator has hijacked it is unfortunate but not a property only communism has. Monarchies are much worse and still alive and kicking.

a reply to: bernsturn

Irrelevant.

Qin Shi Huang. Caligula. Nero. Wu Zetian. Ghengis Khan. Timur. Montezuma II. Ivan the Terrible. Vlad the Impaler. King John. Queen Mary I. Hitler. Lenin. Stalin. Mao Zedong. Pol Pot. Idi Amin. LBJ. Dubya. Hillary.

It doesnt matter when where who or why, monsters lurk all across homo sapiens, and droves of millions are yearning to get in line behind them whether it be with muskets, machetes or molotov cocktails.

a reply to: Peeple

And what high horse would that be exactly??

America's death toll on the world: 27,000,000++

Note all the "you're an anti-american liberal" style heat I took across that one, and yet pressed on.

Anyways, when I hear "Collectivism" all I here is monumental mass APPEAL TO GROUPTHINK, and Groupthink is how you rally a population behind you in pursuit of monumental tyranny.

a reply to: bernsturn

Indo Europeans invented modern law and they have had the most experienced with modern culture and values.

Then how do you explain the Iroquois constitution?

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Sorry I don't know every thread every member ever created. Good for you.

Collectivism refers to sharing goods and ideals. Groupthink is nationalism.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Nice strawman but he said capitalism and not US gov.

a reply to: Peeple

Nationalism is a form of groupthink.

So is Globalism.

And White Supremacy.

And Islam.

And Communism.

And Republican / Democrat.

And Football Hooliganism.

And Gay Pride.


a reply to: daskakik

Vietnam is on my list therein.

Nice copout.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Vietnam is on my list therein.

How does that change what was originally said and your strawman?

Nice copout.

I never claimed anything so there is nothing for me to cop out of.

Communism is not the problem. Vietnam buys American weapons.

www.straitstimes.com...

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

It's insane to me too people still hold up US flags with pride, after Vietnam, Guantanamo, ... capitalism has costed more lifes than every ideology before. Get off your high horse.
Talks about dark patterns...

Big part of the Bolshevik idea was the collective. Rule of the proletariat, that a single dictator has hijacked it is unfortunate but not a property only communism has. Monarchies are much worse and still alive and kicking.

Unfortunate you say? I say inevitable. Russia had Stalin. China had the pedophile, Mao. NK has their monsters non-stop.

The big 'lie' is the collective, the 'proletariat'. Well perhaps I should say flaw rather than lie. The 'collective' couldn't effectively run a bingo night, never mind a nation.

a reply to: Peeple

Thing is though, the Soviet Union is just another extension of the Russian Empire only instead being ruled by the Czars, it's the Communist Party.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Has the "collective" actually ever been given the chance. Seems to me the first thing humans do is appoint leaders. Every country has them whether a monarch, congress or a politburo. At that point it isn't "the collective"/"the people" running anything.

Not saying you are wrong but...

a reply to: daskakik

as the "collective" actually ever been given the chance

Why should they ?

Unless you want to turn everyone in to drones like bee hives.

a reply to: all
What he daskakik says.


a reply to: neo96

After we learned to accept and celebrate individualism you're plane wrong. They are we and we are better than rulers want us to know.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Peeple

Nationalism is a form of groupthink.

So is Globalism.

And White Supremacy.

And Islam.

And Communism.

And Republican / Democrat.

And Football Hooliganism.

And Gay Pride.

What does this mean? Is every opinion I hold that is shared by another groupthink?

Groupthink is having opinions because other people around you also have those opinions.

It is not having opinions because you've come to a well reasoned set of convictions that some others also share.

Everything is groupthink under your definition.