New 'Black Death' FOUND: Deadly virus WORSE than plague and with no CURE breaks out - WHO

a reply to: silo13


Could this virus mix with the pneumonic plaque and become airborne? Just wondering.

a reply to: Kandinsky

I agree with your assessment. So do 99.7% (percentage pulled outta butt but close, I'm sure) of relevant experts in maths, climate science/ ecology, agriculture, common effin sense, etc.

It's not a nice thing to contemplate, but someone in a major leadership role has to step up make some unpopular decisions and somehow convince the world to follow suit. .. or else.

Knowing human nature a tad, I'm pretty sure we'll all be facing the "or else" sooner than later.

Stock up on vit c... heh.

originally posted by: Tarzan the apeman.
a reply to: silo13


Could this virus mix with the pneumonic plaque and become airborne? Just wondering.

What do you mean by 'mix?'

The plague is a bacteria, Marburg is a virus.

I assume a person could contract both simultaneously.

a reply to: MotherMayEye


I had no idea thanks for the info.

a reply to: Kandinsky

Most people think that it's a bad thing that humanity might stop growing exponentially, or that we might face mass pestilence and plague as a result of our ways, but I'm not one of them.

I used to be one of them because I was such an optimist and an apologist, and especially because I was a futurist focused on believing in the Utopian scenario where everyone wins and gets a fair deal.

But over the years I've become jaded and cynical as a result of experiences and being removed from my comfortable sheltered life.

I do still hold one Hopeful Faith though - that the survivors of the coming tribulations will be better people than us today, and that they will learn lessons from all of this and create a much better society. I admit it seems unlikely but I still Hope.

I used to see all of this from a Good vs Bad perspective, but then I realized that's irrelevant. Rather than being a good or bad thing the coming plague is an inevitable thing.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. That's just how things work. It can be extremely hard to see this often as we live in the present and do not see where the dominos will be falling in several years when we push them over today. Hindsight is 20/20 however....

originally posted by: silo13
New 'Black Death' FOUND: Deadly virus WORSE than plague and with no CURE breaks out - WHO

The outbreak is thought to have started in September when a man in his 30s, who worked as a game hunter and lived near a cave with a heavy presence of bats, was admitted to a local health centre with a high fever, vomiting and diarrhoea. He did not respond to antimalarial treatment and his condition rapidly deteriorated.

So karma nips him in the butt and now karma is threatening the rest of the world?

Karma? He deserves to die why exactly?

originally posted by: Spacespider
a reply to: silo13

As long only game hunters are infected I am fine with that..

If this is what OP meant, you're both scum.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: Tarzan the apeman.
a reply to: silo13


Could this virus mix with the pneumonic plaque and become airborne? Just wondering.

What do you mean by 'mix?'

The plague is a bacteria, Marburg is a virus.

I assume a person could contract both simultaneously.

Well, I'll inform both of you:

A virus can infect a bacteria. This can lead to mutations in either.

Neither has to be a disease yet it could theoretically mutate into something that could become a new disease.

An already extant disease can mutate resulting from this interaction, but it doesn't require both the virus and bacteria to be deadly. Just one of them could be mildly infectious while the other is neutral. That is how a lot of mutations occurred in nature after all.

It seems unlikely that an interaction between a deadly bacteria and a deadly virus could share their deadly qualities or transmission modes however. That's not really how it works. The mutations are a result of their interactions and it is irrelevant how either one individually might interact with us humans.

It's not 100% impossible, just super unlikely and more a game of random chance.

Genetic engineers could solve this problem by identifying specific DNA code that instructs specific behavior in a virus or bacteria, extracting and modifying it, than inserting it in the other one. This is very difficult to achieve currently but as our understanding of how DNA coding works increases we can make such a thing more feasible.

a reply to: muzzleflash

I do still hold one Hopeful Faith though - that the survivors of the coming tribulations will be better people than us today, and that they will learn lessons from all of this and create a much better society. I admit it seems unlikely but I still Hope.

Do you think there are 'better people?' There's a good chance most of us are average and make the same mistakes. I hope you're right

a reply to: Baddogma



We're kinda f****d. Nobody wants population control and rightfully so. Our best hope is nature T-boning us on the intersection of life. Takes the democracy out of it and keeps it honest. The following smile is philosophical >

Wow at first I thought this was going to be about the problem in Madagascar, so another problem, remind me to never visit Africa so much scary snip there.

a reply to: face23785

You're thinking of this whole thing on an individual by individual basis, which is very narrow in scope.

Let's look at the big picture more broadly.

How about Kangaroos or Rabbits as an example?

Everyone loves Kangaroos and Rabbits. I mean, morally and ethically speaking, what did they ever do wrong? Rabbits especially, they are so cute and nice.



What could possibly go wrong?

Do you see what I'm saying?
Moral issues can get extremely complicated.

a reply to: silo13

The disease, known as Marburg virus disease (MVD), is similar to Ebola and can be lethal in up to 90 per cent of cases.

It is Ebola, just a different strain, named after Marburg, Germany.

This Ebola-Type Fever is Named After a Town in Germany. Ebola is a filovirus, and although it is the best-known of the Filovirdae, it's no worse than its cousin, Marburg virus. One is named for the Ebola river in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and the other is named for a town in Germany.

Gizmodo

a reply to: muzzleflash

The Karma thing might refer to notions about population reduction effect Viruses have. Seemingly, these particular plagues don't break out until humankind encroaches on the deepest, darkest parts of jungle earth. Then, like a biological land mine, they break out and 'trim' the worlds population to make sure we don't over populate the earth and use up resources too quickly.

That kind of karma.

Its possible, however i get the impression it doesn't evolve very quickly

the link explains two known mutations using viruses


www.livescience.com...



reply to: Tarzan the apeman.

originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: face23785

You're thinking of this whole thing on an individual by individual basis, which is very narrow in scope.

Let's look at the big picture more broadly.

How about Kangaroos or Rabbits as an example?

Everyone loves Kangaroos and Rabbits. I mean, morally and ethically speaking, what did they ever do wrong? Rabbits especially, they are so cute and nice.

What could possibly go wrong?

Do you see what I'm saying?
Moral issues can get extremely complicated.

A moral issue like saying someone deserves to die if you dislike their profession?

its only a matter of time until there is a worldwide plague that could wipe out 90% of humanity

a reply to: muzzleflash

Do you have a link to anything that can give me a more in depth understanding of what you are saying?

Not to let some good doom porn go by without comment...

Anytime one of these really nasty looking disease outbreaks occur, we have to consider the possibility of it being weaponized.

A terrorist organization can send one of its expendable suicide drones to the infected area to intentionally become infected. Then use that drone to infect a number of other drones. And then send them off to distant parts of the world to spread the disease. All international travel can happen while the disease is in its initial incubation state, thus they will show no signs of the illness. Upon arriving at their various destinations, once symptoms begin to surface, they can begin spreading the virus by intentionally contaminating surfaces with their bodily fluids.

While this disease is probably not an existential threat to human civilization in itself, the terror inflicted on the world population could have a devastating psychological effect. The horrible symptoms of these hemorrhagic diseases would probably scare the crap out of people all over the world.

People will kill each other to get away from this thing. That's the real societal existential threat: fear

-dex

originally posted by: Jiggly
its only a matter of time until there is a worldwide plague that could wipe out 90% of humanity

At times like this it pays to live in a rural area.

a reply to: DexterRiley

There was an excellent TV show that flipped your ideas and put it all on 'TPTB.' It was called Utopia.

The plot was about a shadow government plan to create a panic about flu and offer a vaccine to 'cure' it. The vaccine was a Trojan horse designed to wipe out millions of people and depopulate the planet.

It was an awesome show that fell through the cracks and was barely noticed. Great acting, superb story and full of the conspiracies that make ATSers happy.

a reply to: Kandinsky

Maybe it's our turn to have a 'thinning the herd' moment?

Maybe, but history shows that sometimes a "controlled burn" can get out of control and burn far more than expected. Perhaps one of those times they lose control completely and burn almost everything?

Our time will come, and it will be as uncontrollable as it is unexpected.

We only think we are in control but there is far more that we don't know than do know about the order of the universe and the life within it. We are an imbalance in the nature of this world, that will have to change ultimately, inevitability and we probably won't see it coming when it is.

imo