Astonishing 50 kids a week referred to sex change clinics in the UK

originally posted by: MrCrow
On a slight side note, I heard today that Paloma Faith is bringing up her offspring as gender neutral.

I wonder how much if this stuff is just to appear PC and "right on" as it were. I don't rule out the fact that there is the odd case here and there of being born as the "wrong" sex but is it as widespread as we're being led to believe?

When you are borm, you don't get "neutral" junk; you're a boy or a girl. If, later in life, you feel diferently to the evidence between your legs then by all means seek whatever help you need but seeing this stuff about prepubescents makes be think parenting has issues.

Sure raising your kids gender neutral is silly Imo. Which compunds the problem.

There is strong evidence that sexual orientation is largely tied to biology and that initial gender assignment is the strongest predictor of gender identity in the case of intersex children. Researchers have yet to precisely pinpoint the etiology of transsexualism, however. Various studies suggest that both biological and environmental variables may play a role in transgender development, says Eric Vilain, MD, PhD, chief of the division of medical genetics and professor of human genetics, pediatrics and urology at the University of California, Los Angeles.

www.apa.org...

Male fish are turning into females thanks to chemicals from birth control pills and makeup being flushed down drains, according to a new study.

nypost.com...

An Italian study in 2012 found that men’s penises were growing smaller over time — two centimetres lost from grandfather to grandson in the twentieth century. Conservative radio bloviator Rush Limbaugh knew who to blame: ‘feminazis, the chickification, and everything else’ linked to feminism. Other commentators, a bit more scientific, pointed the finger at endocrine disrupting chemicals, such as pesticides and hormones fed to cattle, as likely culprits.

blogs.plos.org...

I fully understand the U.K. now.

When I was in my teens, I had my first smoke... you wanna know why? Because my friends at the time had a smoke and offered me one.

Same thing when I went out clubbing and drinking later in my teens and adult life.

If I was on a deserted island, I wouldn't have done these things.

Make sense?

a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

What also makes sense is how none of this is your business. Why do you care how parents other than yourself raise their children? I'd wager there are things you let your children do or do to the children that other parents would look at with disdain, but you'd take offense if they pointed that out.

a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist


No. A kid doesn't suddenly decide they're trans and get surgery the same day, it's a decade long process. All these children are going through counselling and psychological assessments to make sure it's not a decision made on a whim and to support the child. None of them are having surgery maybe one in a thousand may eventually be offered hormonal treatment.

The idea peer pressure plays a role is stupid. You've had to invent make believe pressure groups and make believe ideas of what the clinics actually do to make it seem like you have a point.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Bluntone22

From the OP's link:

The Gender Identity Development Service is seen as a world leading centre for treatment of dysphoria.

It adopts a “staged model of care” to guard against children taking steps to change their sex and then regretting it.

Kids as young as three are offered counselling along with their parents when they first present at the clinic.

This can last for years.

The thing is, kids are such a blank slate... If they spend their entire formative years talking to professionals about gender dysphoria, regardless of whether or not they actually have it, they will grow up thinking it is an answer to some of their feelings of discomfort or anxiety, when in reality, it is an infinitesimally small group of people who genuinely can garner some use from gender re-allocation and even that is hardly without controversy.

The problem in my mind is, that noone and I mean noone, really knows who they are at such a young age. I think at the very earliest, some 21 year olds might have a clue, but most people, including myself and everyone know, has some kind of eureka moment somewhere between the ages of 25-35 where things all start to fit into place.

So if a child feels out of place, doesn't know what their purpose is, or feels very confused in their own skin, that's kind of totally normal isn't it? Major surgery shouldn't even be on the table in my opinion.

Is it any different than lobotomising someone? Physical surgery to treat an emotional wound doesn't make sense.

a reply to: bastion

It's clear that the people who have a problem with these therapy sessions refuse to want to understand the entire process the kids have to go through in order to successfully transition. A process intentionally designed to ween out the fakers.

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
When I was in my teens, I had my first smoke... you wanna know why? Because my friends at the time had a smoke and offered me one.

Same thing when I went out clubbing and drinking later in my teens and adult life.

If I was on a deserted island, I wouldn't have done these things.

Make sense?

Not in regards to biology.

Next...

Unless Transgender fish are just mimicking their peers out of peer pressure.

a reply to: Dem0nc1eaner

What studies do you have to point transgerism is from a wound?

Sounds like an anecdotal guess.

originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner
The problem in my mind is, that noone and I mean noone, really knows who they are at such a young age. I think at the very earliest, some 21 year olds might have a clue, but most people, including myself and everyone know, has some kind of eureka moment somewhere between the ages of 25-35 where things all start to fit into place.

So if a child feels out of place, doesn't know what their purpose is, or feels very confused in their own skin, that's kind of totally normal isn't it? Major surgery shouldn't even be on the table in my opinion.

Is it any different than lobotomising someone? Physical surgery to treat an emotional wound doesn't make sense.

So discussing the child's place and trying to identify what fits for him or her isn't something worth pursuing? Just ignore it and let the kid have issues because no one can know what that kids place is and there is no point in attempting to identify it?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

What most of the people don't seem to get is the Dr's are the ones studying and coming up with treatment not the media.

In one case they want therapy for the kids, but then reject it's the therapists making the suggestions of treatment.

Hilarious naivety.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: bastion

It's clear that the people who have a problem with these therapy sessions refuse to want to understand the entire process the kids have to go through in order to successfully transition. A process intentionally designed to ween out the fakers.

Indeed. Have to admit I was surprised with how strict and rigorous the process is even for adults. A friend is in her late 20s and undergoing hormonal treatment, it took her a good 15 years to get to that stage and if her urine/bloods show any trace of drugs or she misses a single counselling session she can have the entire thing withdrawn. The idea it's free and easilly available is a complete myth - it's an incredibly detailed process that seeks to pursue all other methods of treatment and gender reassignment only occurs when those have failed and invasive treatment is the last resort.

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
When I was in my teens, I had my first smoke... you wanna know why? Because my friends at the time had a smoke and offered me one.

Same thing when I went out clubbing and drinking later in my teens and adult life.

If I was on a deserted island, I wouldn't have done these things.

Make sense?

Yes, but it's also worth pointing out that you would probably succumb to blood poisoning, caused by an infection from some trivial injury like a prickle from a thorn-bush, long before you had a chance to die of malnutrition or outright starvation.

Because there wouldn't be anyone around to help you if you were in any kind of trouble.

So it's a bit of a daft analogy to use, if you're talking about medical intervention being an undesirable thing.

a reply to: luthier

I know. If the kid is only pretending to have gender dysphoria, I want him to talk to a therapist to correct that thinking just as much as the people who don't want these kids having their gender reassigned, but I'd also like for kids who DO have it to be identified as early as possible. If identification can be done early then reassignment will be smoother and the kid will end up having less physical appearances like their original gender and look more like the one they feel like inside. This of course should lead to less depression and ridicule because they can blend in easier.

a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Telling a child they are "trapped in the wrong body" and need surgery is incredibly immoral and actually I'd have to say it's evil.

If someone started telling my kids that crap and trying to brainwash them to mutilate themselves I'd be going to jail tonight.

Who the hell are these people?

How can anyone possibly be trapped in the wrong body?

You're in YOUR BODY.
YOU were born WITH IT.

Omg people are both completely insane and totally retarded.

It is 100% impossible to be trapped in the wrong body.
This is extremely simple to figure out.

Maybe you don't like being you, maybe your life sucks, maybe you're not attractive or whatever?
You gotta at least wait until your an adult to know for sure though. Things change too much while growing up and the whole game can shift drastically.

I can't believe the media allowed this garbage to get this far.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Which there are cases of as teenagers are generally confused.

However, it doesn't mean there isn't a real situation.


The real thing I would like to see is why it's happening so much more often. I believe it's the chemicals in food, water, medicine.

I think a lot of stuff is not being addressed. If Trans fish are happening at a rate of 1 in 5 in many places we may want to look at some solutions in distribution and filtering and admit we may be causing the numbers to spike.

Of course even that is controversial. For profits and for people opposed to looking for a real explanation.

originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Telling a child they are "trapped in the wrong body" and need surgery is incredibly immoral and actually I'd have to say it's evil.

If someone started telling my kids that crap and trying to brainwash them to mutilate themselves I'd be going to jail tonight.

Who the hell are these people?

Experts in genetics, biology, and psychology

Who are you?

Wonder why Transgender animals are occurring at a rapid rate too.

Must be the media.

originally posted by: muzzleflash
How can anyone possibly be trapped in the wrong body?

You're in YOUR BODY.
YOU were born WITH IT.

Omg people are both completely insane and totally retarded.

It is 100% impossible to be trapped in the wrong body.
This is extremely simple to figure out.

Maybe you don't like being you, maybe your life sucks, maybe you're not attractive or whatever?
You gotta at least wait until your an adult to know for sure though. Things change too much while growing up and the whole game can shift drastically.

I can't believe the media allowed this garbage to get this far.

"I don't want to understand or attempt to sympathize with this issue that other people are having therefore it doesn't exist!"

a reply to: luthier

I think it is just happening more often because it is gaining societal normalcy for the first time in human history and parents are exploring the possibility with their children just to make sure it isn't an issue. There is still much we don't understand about Psychology and the brain. Plus I'm sure that there are parents who went through trying times when they were children and would want their children not to go through the same. Maybe they see this as answer to some of those trying times. In any case, I'm sure there are many many answers to the increase, but ultimately it leads back to the fact that we don't shunt transgenderism away into the recesses of society anymore only to dredge up for a cheap joke from time to time (That guy actually slept with a dude! HAR HAR!)