FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama admin approved nuclear deal with Moscow

a reply to: JinMI

I read it. Did you?

This report is a declassified version of a highly classified assessment; its conclusions are identical to those in the highly classified assessment but this version does not include the full supporting information on key elements of the influence campaign.

Here's an interesting part...

Insights into Russian efforts—including specific cyber operations—and Russian views of key US players derive from multiple corroborating sources.

And here's something we see a lot on ATS...

The Russian leadership invests significant resources in both foreign and domestic propaganda and places a premium on transmitting what it views as consistent, self-reinforcing narratives regarding its desires and redlines, whether on Ukraine, Syria, or relations with the United States.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

There's nothing new being brought to the table. We wen't through it back when it was released. It's no secret that Russia provides it's own propaganda and also provides propaganda through other means to other countries. Our media does the same thing.

You think only the D team can see through BS?

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: spiritualzombie

There's nothing new being brought to the table. We wen't through it back when it was released. It's no secret that Russia provides it's own propaganda and also provides propaganda through other means to other countries. Our media does the same thing.

You think only the D team can see through BS?

I didn't say it was new... It is something that Trump supporters seem to either deny or gloss over depending on which move is more convenient. The information hasn't changed.

So are we now taking FBI investigations seriously? Or is all still fake news? If it's all fake news this thread belongs in the hoax bin I guess. If not, we might want to look at some more pertinent FBI investigations going on... particularly those involving Russia and Trump.

Of course the reaction to that is "Russia, Russia, Russia", whining and deflection... So I say again... we either take FBI investigations seriously or we don't. We either care about FBI intelligence gatherings or we don't. Can't have it both ways.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

You do know the investigation is about actual possible criminal stuff right? You know, money changing hands/accounts or as the law states, gifts.

If you want the investigation to be taken seriously, then that quote from the document I highlighted will need to be remedied with actual evidence.

The FBI is a large government organization, of course we can have it both ways.

Read this a while ago it is a report based offnews coverage But the funniest part is where it say the Cia andFBI havehigh confidence in the report but he NSA not so much its only moderate lmao.

a reply to: dragonridr

LOL... Only CIA and FBI have high confidence? Well, I suppose that's an attempt to minimize a consensus... But a consensus nontheless...

We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him. All three agencies agree with this judgment. CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment; NSA has moderate confidence.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Most normal thinking folks also agree that Russia preferred Trump over HRC. Again, not anything new.

All 3 agencies express high confidence in this main point:

We assess with high confidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election, the consistent goals of which were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. When it appeared to Moscow that Secretary Clinton was likely to win the election, the Russian influence campaign then focused on undermining her expected presidency.

Seriously, read the report. I'm not sure what you think you're offering to counter the consensus of the NSA, CIA, and FBI... but so far I haven't seen sh*t that stacks up against this.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: spiritualzombie

Most normal thinking folks also agree that Russia preferred Trump over HRC. Again, not anything new.

Glad to hear that. From my experience in this thread it takes a lot of undeniable facts to get Trump supporters to accept that basic fact, or at least to stop arguing it.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: spiritualzombie

Yea, old news. Did you read it?

Under "Sourcing"

Many of the key judgments in this assessment rely on a body of reporting from multiple sources that are consistent with our understanding of Russian behavior.

He doesnt understand what that means. Its like using likely in a document i explained earlier. Analysts read information then try to decide what it means. This is called an assessment. It is the analysts opinion on the facts. Then they look out how likely the assessment is to be right. It goes in two catagories likely and unlikely. Now a criminal investigation is different theres no opinion involved.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
By the way, regarding all the defenses of Russia... I see how mr. Pusin' Boots runs that sh*t show... so scared of dissent, he locks up girls who sing "mean" things about him. I support allllll the interference the U.S. wants to do on Russian elections. Elevate the Russian government through some growing pains beyond their mysogynistic authoritarian mindset. Wake the masses to freedom of expression.

You keep going on about how nefarious Russia is, yet you are apparently not concerned with Hillary and Bill taking piles of money from them and voting to give them uranium.

It makes you appear disingenuous.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
By the way, regarding all the defenses of Russia... I see how mr. Pusin' Boots runs that sh*t show... so scared of dissent, he locks up girls who sing "mean" things about him. I support allllll the interference the U.S. wants to do on Russian elections. Elevate the Russian government through some growing pains beyond their mysogynistic authoritarian mindset. Wake the masses to freedom of expression.

You keep going on about how nefarious Russia is, yet you are apparently not concerned with Hillary and Bill taking piles of money from them and voting to give them uranium.

It makes you appear disingenuous.

What is disingenuous is you continuing to push false narratives that you have been shown to be false.

Hillary did not vote and they did not give them uranium.

The deal was very specific that it could only be sold to US plants.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
By the way, regarding all the defenses of Russia... I see how mr. Pusin' Boots runs that sh*t show... so scared of dissent, he locks up girls who sing "mean" things about him. I support allllll the interference the U.S. wants to do on Russian elections. Elevate the Russian government through some growing pains beyond their mysogynistic authoritarian mindset. Wake the masses to freedom of expression.

You keep going on about how nefarious Russia is, yet you are apparently not concerned with Hillary and Bill taking piles of money from them and voting to give them uranium.

It makes you appear disingenuous.

What is disingenuous is you continuing to push false narratives that you have been shown to be false.

Hillary did not vote and they did not give them uranium.

The deal was very specific that it could only be sold to US plants.

Hillary was in the panel and had s0me one under her vite, and Russia did get a controlling stock in uranium.

You are the laughable person who said connections to foreign agents were reas9n for an investigation, and then back tracked and twisted to say that doesn't apply to Hillary

a reply to: Grambler

Hillary was in the panel and had s0me one under her vite, and Russia did get a controlling stock in uranium.

And the deal required them to only ship that uranium to where, Grambler?

Only US plants. So the uranium stayed in the US and we did not "give them" uranium.

You are the laughable person who said connections to foreign agents were reas9n for an investigation, and then back tracked and twisted to say that doesn't apply to Hillary

And I was obviously correct. Trump's people had met with known foreign agents and did not disclose those meetings.

Hillary and her staff, apparently did not do the same thing. Or are you going to try to say, as another member did, that her meetings as SoS fall in to the same category?

Quit digging your hole deeper man. Salvage what little you can out of this and abandon your absurd crusade.

a reply to: introvert

"And the deal required them to only ship that uranium to where, Grambler?

Only US plants. So the uranium stayed in the US and we did not "give them" uranium."

Since when did Canada become part of the US?

www.cbc.ca...

Three Cameco workers in Ontario were exposed to airborne uranium dust in an incident at the Saskatchewan company's Blind River refinery last month, federal regulators say. The exposure happened June 23 when a worker loosened a ring clamp on a 208-litre drum of uranium oxide yellowcake. The lid blew off and about 26 kilograms of the material were ejected into the air. The worker closest to the drum and two others in the area, who were not wearing respirators, were exposed to the dust. The drum of yellowcake came from Uranium One's Willow Creek facility in Wyoming.

a reply to: introvert

And I was obviously correct. Trump's people had met with known foreign agents and did not disclose those meetings. Hillary and her staff, apparently did not do the same thing. Or are you going to try to say, as another member did, that her meetings as SoS fall in to the same category?

You were incorrect then and incorrect now. Claiming "i win" does not make it so.

This thread is a huge failed attempt to shift focus away from the current president who is being investigated by the FBI for possible collusion with Russia.

My suggestion... don’t spend a year disparaging FBI investigations calling it all fake news and then start a thread on FBI investigations. You kind of blew that credibility.

originally posted by: RickinVa
a reply to: introvert

"And the deal required them to only ship that uranium to where, Grambler?

Only US plants. So the uranium stayed in the US and we did not "give them" uranium."

Since when did Canada become part of the US?

www.cbc.ca...

Three Cameco workers in Ontario were exposed to airborne uranium dust in an incident at the Saskatchewan company's Blind River refinery last month, federal regulators say. The exposure happened June 23 when a worker loosened a ring clamp on a 208-litre drum of uranium oxide yellowcake. The lid blew off and about 26 kilograms of the material were ejected into the air. The worker closest to the drum and two others in the area, who were not wearing respirators, were exposed to the dust. The drum of yellowcake came from Uranium One's Willow Creek facility in Wyoming.

Don't know much about that aspect. I do know that no exportation was to be allowed, given the details of the deal available here.

web.archive.org...://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/news/2010/10-211.pdf

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: introvert

And I was obviously correct. Trump's people had met with known foreign agents and did not disclose those meetings. Hillary and her staff, apparently did not do the same thing. Or are you going to try to say, as another member did, that her meetings as SoS fall in to the same category?

You were incorrect then and incorrect now. Claiming "i win" does not make it so.

What's to win?

There is a huge difference in the two situations and to claim otherwise is laughable.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
This thread is a huge failed attempt to shift focus away from the current president who is being investigated by the FBI for possible collusion with Russia.

My suggestion... don’t spend a year disparaging FBI investigations calling it all fake news and then start a thread on FBI investigations. You kind of blew that credibility.

My suggestion,

Don't spend a year screaming about how we need to investigate Russian influence, and the scream when people want Hillary investigated for taking millions of dollars from Russian agents.