President Trump is Cancelling the Illegal ObamaCare CSR Insurance Company Payments

a reply to: Metallicus

I know it doesn't matter, but I'm proud of you for this post!

a reply to: Noncents

My income is right around this margin.

This means my deductible would be $4,000 instead of $1,000. $4,000 is more than I have in my bank account. If something happens to me like an accident or if I need a surgery, I’m toast. There’s no way I’d ever reach a deductible of $4,000 in a year unless something horrible happened, which means that some of the care that I do receive regularly would be at full cost of $150 for certain weekly PT services which is more than I can afford at my salary.

Without some of the ACÁ policies the costs would be closer to $300 a week which is obviously even worse.

But that isn’t a concern for you I’m sure.

Hence why fortunately I’m on Medicaid. Truly this is just going to push more people back onto the Medicaid and disability system whose incomes are close to the $15-$20k range. And guess what—that’s actually more expensive for taxpayers.

So I mean yeah I guess he didn’t do anything bad except making healthcare unaffordable for lower income Americans but whatever right?

So you tell me why a person’s deductible should be 1/5 their annual income? That doesn’t seem unreasonable to you?

a reply to: ravenshadow13
I didn't say anything about any of that. I said this was the decision of the Department of Health and Human Services after realizing they were breaking the law...

ETA: Which might not actually be the case? I give up. If they were breaking the law and stopped then that's awesome. If they were not breaking the law and stopped anyway then that's still fine by me because I don't support forcing people to buy insurance from private companies... But it's not as cool.

a reply to: carewemust

You strangely didn't tell the whole story in your quote ... let's read the first sentence in the next paragraph from your source article:

The judge stayed her order enjoining the administration from reimbursing insurers absent a specific appropriation pending appeal.

... and iInterestingly, the Government did appeal the decision ...

Judge Collyer enjoined reimbursements under the ACA until a valid appropriation was in place, but stayed the injunction. Accordingly, the subsidies are allowed to continue, pending appeal, which was filed on July 16, 2016.

Further ...

On December 5, 2016, the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit stayed further proceedings in the case at the request of the House of Representatives. Motions to govern further proceedings in the case were due February 21, 2017.

US House vs. Price

So, your claim that the cost-sharing reduction payments are illegal is FALSE.

However, it is a fact that this action on the part of the White House will likely upend the financial insurance markets thus effectively destroying the system enacted by the ACA, which is, one might note, the standing law of the land.

The Administration will be sued over this action, and Congress will be forced to officially appropriate the needed funds to keep the subsidies going.

The net effect will be to create more chaos, more government intervention and threaten the healthcare of millions of Americans, as a run-up to the mid-term elections in 2018.

If you think that's a good plan from anyone's perspective ... you have a very strange way of looking at things.

a reply to: carewemust

Yep. You got that right! But I agree with everything you comment. You are my conscientious hero!

a reply to: ravenshadow13

I am ashamed of a government that is playing with your life this way. I have every hope that the President will be stopped in this fool-hardy action, that Congress will appropriately fund the ACA subsidies, and someday the US will advance into the 21st Century along with the rest of the civilized world and fix our healthcare crisis in this country.

In the meantime, do what you have to do. Encourage your friends and family to vote against the people that are allowing this to happen.

a reply to: carewemust

Bullsh*t. It was never illegal. He’s killing ACA and about to leave millions without insurance. He’s a heartless *sshole and I expect nothing but his trolling supporters like you to immediately start dishing the bullsh*t Trumptards version of the story.

You guys suck.

Anyone who thinks this is good is a heartless moron.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: carewemust

Bullsh*t. It was never illegal. He’s killing ACA and about to leave millions without insurance. He’s a heartless *sshole and I expect nothing but his trolling supporters like you to immediately start dishing the bullsh*t Trumptards version of the story.

You guys suck.

OP omits many important details in the matter .. including the general consensus that the suit brought by the US House of Representatives is deeply flawed and may very well be a disruption of the Constitutional balance of powers between the legislative and executive branches.

But none of that matters to those who support the destruction of American law at any cost, and now, oddly favor the use of Executive Orders by a President that is obviously attempting to subvert that same American law.

Fox News and all the right wing filth will be extra busy tomorrow spinning up the bullsh*t that their dumb as rocks supporters will no doubt be parroting tomorrow starting with the usual bullsh*trers like this OP.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: carewemust

Bullsh*t. It was never illegal. He’s killing ACA and about to leave millions without insurance. He’s a heartless *sshole and I expect nothing but his trolling supporters like you to immediately start dishing the bullsh*t Trumptards version of the story.

You guys suck.

A perfect example of FAKE NEWS is the headline on CNN tonight:

CNN BANNER: "Trump cuts subsidies that help low income people buy health insurance." (FAKE aka LIE)

The CSR subsidies pay insurance companies for keeping the deductible low for people who earn less than $29,000 a year.

It's very refreshing to finally have a President who does his best to keep campaign promises! Even without help from a Congress who loves money and power, more than keeping THEIR promises.

a reply to: carewemust

It would be refreshing if republicans exhibited some sign of a human soul. Your words are puke.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Who knows, maybe a liberal judge who likes spending taxpayer money, will reverse this...

On May 12, 2016, Judge Rosemary Collyer of the federal district court for the District of Columbia decided that the Obama administration cannot constitutionally reimburse insurers for the costs they incur in fulfilling their obligation under the ACA to reduce cost sharing for marketplace enrollees with incomes below 250 percent of the poverty level.

Source: healthaffairs.org...

Ten Billion dollars is scheduled to be transferred from U.S. taxpayers to health insurance companies next year, in the form of CSR payments. It's a really stupid, inefficient way to keep deductibles low for the working-poor. ($16,000 - $29,000 income @ year.)

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: carewemust

It would be refreshing if republicans exhibited some sign of a human soul. Your words are puke.

Regarding your words about Republican leaders..I tend to agree. When it comes to your sentiments about my words...Thank-you!

People can still get insurance without the ACA being around. They did before it existed. They'll do it after. Everyone I know that has talked with me in person about their health insurance since switching to something ACA compliant had a price increase or jacked up deductibles.

Insurance is sold with the profit calculated into the price of the policies. Forcing everyone to buy insurance from private companies is essentially forcing people to make money for the health insurance corporations. When everyone in the nation is forced to provide a profit then there's zero reason for those insurance corporations to be decent. As time goes on they'll just get worse and worse because people would be forced to buy it anyway. More loopholes will be created or exploited to screw people.

It's not a good thing. There are better ways to handle the problem. Yes, it sucks in the short term. No, I am not a soulless bastard nor am I right-wing or a brainwashed pro or anti Trump obsessed moron. There are better ways to do this.

Another step closer to single payer. But first, much suffering. So sorry kids. I didn't vote for him or anyone in Congress. I have a clean conscience.

a reply to: FyreByrd

How can it be a law if the taxpayers didn't have a vote?,this was a facist move,like the libs say Trump is,it is illegal,don't they teach kids government in schools anymore?

a reply to: Spider879

As you must surely be aware, Obama could never have gone through with an attempt at creating a single payer system, not because it would not have been the best way to ensure the most people were given access to the basic expectations of actually developed nations (you know, that when you are sick you will be treated without being expected to bankrupt yourself in the process), but because Congress never would have passed it.

To be absolutely clear, Obama NEVER had a Congress to deal with, that would EVER have passed a single payer system, even though it would have been and still is the only acceptable, justifiable and righteous thing to do. His ENTIRE Presidency was a story of him trying to get things done, and being told "No, on the basis that its our job as Republicans to prevent your Presidency being successful".

There is a lie going around that Obama had "full control of congress for two years", and heres why this is a lie by omission...

www.ohio.com...

As you can see from the information posted in the link above, Obama's control of congress, lasted precisely four months, not two years, and he packed an awful lot into that four months, including the ACA/Obamacare passage, which was indeed put through Congress by way of 60, all Democrat votes. Its worth noting, that some of the Democrats he had to get on board in order to get the bill passed, were so called Blue-Dog Democrats, which is a term which means conservative. Thats right, conservative Democrats. Incidentally, if you ever wanted evidence that the system is broken, its that there are ANY conservatives, in the Democrat Party. Disgraceful.

As the information contained within the link I provided shows, Obama had no actual opportunity during his entire Presidential career, to pass anything like as radical of an overhaul of America's health provision, as would have been a change to single payer. He would have required a much greater amount of time with full control of Congress, and for the Democrat Party to not be infected with the political equivalent of Ebola at the time (that is, with conservatism).

a reply to: TrueBrit

Thanks for the link TrueBrit, very informative ,so happens I unwittingly helped spread that faulty information , and it would have been political suicide if any Reps flipped during those time call it the Rush Limbaugh /fox effect.

Trump did the right thing.

This is a step away from socialized medicine. A step the republicans and democrats refused to take.