Congress warned North Korean EMP attack would kill '90% of all Americans'

originally posted by: 727Sky
a reply to: seasonal

The 90% figure has been batted around for some time now.. It is based off of a year without electricity and no delivery trucks or rail shipments.. I doubt that the US military would be sitting idle during such a crisis for there will be some things that should still work depending on their distance from the most severe effects of the EMP..

Needless to say a real one or two EMPS placed optimally would be a bad day for all in any first world country..

The aftermath of such an event.... we can only guess what would happen.

Survivors signing up in droves to kill the people who dropped it on them most likely.

a reply to: Phage

If I recall correctly a high altitude detonation also causes a temporary deformation in the magnetic field that creates strong ground currents as a secondary effect.

I'll have to admit I was super skeptical until you indicated that Jim Oberg was concerned about NK having a weapon that could pull off an EMP. Jim isn't one to believe in conspiracy theories.

-dex

I recall reading an article after NK launched its first satellite. I thought they successfully lobbed the thing into orbit and then lost control of it.

So, now they have two satellites in orbit that they can steer over the continental US that might have nuclear warheads in them.

I don't know. I'm still having a hard time swallowing all of this. And I love doom porn!

-dex

a reply to: DexterRiley

Here ya go.......

The E3 pulse is very different from the E1 and E2 pulses from an EMP. The E3 component of the pulse is a very slow pulse, so slow that most people would not use the word "pulse" to describe it. The E3 component lasts tens to hundreds of seconds, and is caused by the nuclear detonation heaving the Earth's magnetic field out of the way, followed by the restoration of the magnetic field to its natural place. The E3 component has similarities to a geomagnetic storm caused by a very severe solar storm.

Nuclear EMP

originally posted by: liejunkie01
I guess it's a good thing I live in the middle of corn fields.

So the 90% deal is city folk right. You know the ones against the second amendment. Or is it wrong of me to assume that?

Yeah, your thinking is all wrong as it relates to your fellow man. You yourself will probably be struck with a meteor.

originally posted by: RazorV66
These guys....90%?
That's some fear mongering there.

I know, right? People really think an EMP attack would kill more than 300 million Americans within a year? That's almost 1 million Americans a day for 12 months straight. There's no way that's even close to being realistic.

Even if EMP's were as lethal as people seem to think (which they're not), people would start mass evacuations once the first few thousand people died. Not to mention, we're talking about more than 3 million square miles of land just in the lower 48 States. 60 North Korean nukes aren't wiping out 300 million Americans spread across that kind of area, much less mere EMP attacks.

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: infolurker

Yeah. I'd expect the biggest gangs (cops mostly) to become the evil warlords. They kill all the prison inmates and then they have their own fortress HQ complexes to base their operations from.

One of my work buddies brother is a local deputy who talked about their plan. They plan to set up in a school, seizing local supplies and fortressing up.

From what he said, many schools have a crap ton of food on premise.

In the first few days they believe people will still hesitate to resist when they come to seize food, propane, and weapons.

I think they can set up shop anywhere. Seize your homes, commandeer your vehicles... under marshal law.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

There aren't enough puppydogs and unicorn farts to save US from ourselves. Not as it stands. As soon as no more puppies to eat people will be coming for each other. Imagine a zombie movie, except these zombies aren't completely mindless, can use weapons, and tools, and communicate, and hunt in packs. Braaaains!!

a reply to: Phoenix

Yep. I remember doing some research on this a few years ago. At that time one of the most referenced papers on calculating the EMP effect was a paper from 1975 called "A Calculational Model for High Altitude EMP."

So, I'm scanning through this thing and I noticed that there were a few pages missing. The paper has no page 27, but two pages 28. And no page 30, but two pages 31. And page 27 is somewhat important for understanding the proposed model.

Seems to me to be rather convenient to leave out one of the most important pages of the document.


-dex

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Cam you imagine all the people coming off their antidepressants? Or any other narcotics for that matter.

Water would be contaminated. It would be hell on earth.

although people can survive better than they think, but there'd be a few wussies who can't take it


They are even saying now that just for earthquake preparedness in a big city, it's no longer have a three day supply, but two weeks and this would be much worse. Anything you hoard would be stolen. You'd be killed for it "nice people" would turn nasty and selfish real fast, its human instinct to think of número uno ( your self). In this case being kind is being stupid. You'd really only care about your own self and your own children.

a reply to: Tempter

I think this scenario refers to an EMP caused by dropping a nuke from a satellite over the USA.

originally posted by: Timely
a reply to: Tempter

I think this scenario refers to an EMP caused by dropping a nuke from a satellite over the USA.

This begs the question:

Why won't Trump order Kim's satellite's shot down? What are they waiting for?

a reply to: dianajune

Fully agree.

Take them out and say nothing.
( done by miltary sat. no earth based trajectory = what satellite ? )

Carry on.

Seems Congress have been saying stupid things for years,and fear gives them power,another excuse to shake down taxpayer,the fear of the unknown

originally posted by: seasonal
A haunting warning from experts on the what they call is a real threat to the US, an EMP from our friends the North Koreans.

Congress was warned Thursday that North Korea is capable of attacking the U.S. today with a nuclear EMP bomb that could indefinitely shut down the electric power grid and kill 90 percent of "all Americans" within a year.

At a House hearing, experts said that North Korea could easily employ the "doomsday scenario" to turn parts of the U.S. to ashes.

www.washingtonexaminer.com...

William R. Graham, chairman of the former EMP commission (that was shut down) has pretty striking insights to the dangers of the N Korean threat. His warning include lots more nuclear weapons than thought just 6 months ago, NK's ICBM were thought to be fake and 6 months ago it was thought that NK could not miniaturize nukes. Also bad marks (again) for the failure of intelligence agencies about H-bombs, number of bombs and so much more. Terrible situation if true.

A bit unusual see the US doing what the people from a small but very powerful mid east country do and claim victim status. I wonder where they learned that??

I wonder if any Americian would be childish enough to believe it.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: RazorV66
These guys....90%?
That's some fear mongering there.

I know, right? People really think an EMP attack would kill more than 300 million Americans within a year? That's almost 1 million Americans a day for 12 months straight. There's no way that's even close to being realistic.

Even if EMP's were as lethal as people seem to think (which they're not), people would start mass evacuations once the first few thousand people died. Not to mention, we're talking about more than 3 million square miles of land just in the lower 48 States. 60 North Korean nukes aren't wiping out 300 million Americans spread across that kind of area, much less mere EMP attacks.

Evacuation to where, no power every where. No trains, trucks, or little air travel, fuel would be gone in days . No one to receive them. This could happen, I think 6 or 7 EMP configured weapons would be a very real game changer. If the attack came in late fall millions would die the first winter.
By spring, the survivors would be little more than animals in the big cities. Eating their pets or anything else. Rape gangs roving the streets. No law. No help coming. No hope. A few of us mite be able to band together. Make no mistake, life as we know it would be over.
Farming on anything other than a very small scale would be nearly impossible without fuel. Even if you have seed, you can't break ground until spring and first harvest would be in late summer. Wild game would be depleted with in the first year. Domestic animal would have to be guarded around the clock.
Now do you get it.

a reply to: Nickn3

Cool movie synopsys !

Call it "The Road" .

a reply to: Nickn3

I "get" the fairy tale doomsday scenarios, but they're simply not realistic. Our power grid is actually a collection of separate power grids & I don't believe they will all fail. And there's simply no way that 300 million or so Americans (aka 90%) are just going to die off like that.

And even though a lot of people here like to talk about survival stuff, I have my doubts after reading threads like this. I've been to places that have no power grid & life didn't grind to a halt. There are the equivalent of entire counties in poor countries right now that survive just fine with heavily polluted waters & contaminated soils; scarce food supplies; only wood, charcoal, and/or coal as fuel; and indigenous "medical" techniques & medicines. Those areas suffer all manners of ailments, from stunted growth & shortened lifespans to a disproportionately high number of deaths from childbirth & waterborne illnesses. Yet humans still survive and thrive in those conditions, just as humans have since we first arrived on Earth (as in, 90% of their populations don't just die off in a year).

In other words, human life is way more resilient than people here seem to think. In fact, it sounds to me like people here think that life can't exist without the modern amenities we're used to having here. But that's ridiculous. The physically handicapped, mentally ill, and individuals with medical conditions that require regular treatments at modern medical facilities would possibly be screwed in a society with no power grid. But there's no way those people make up 90% of the country's population.

And I also don't agree with the implied points that 1) our entire country's power grids are as vulnerable to EMP as Hollywood & doomporn would lead us to believe, and 2) that our utility companies and relief operations couldn't repair the key components of those power grids in a hypothetical nationwide EMP barrage. I could also go into detail on why these doomporn scenarios are unrealistic when it comes to big cities since I live in one, but there's no point. It's like it never entered people's minds that our allies would send help, emergency supplies, help with evacuations, etc. And that's under the assumption that this hypothetical EMP barrage was actually effective in the first place. It's like the bogus Y2K scare all over again.

ETA: LOL Wow, I had to edit out some of the times I said "simply". It was getting on my nerves reading "I simply don't, that's simply not, etc".

a reply to: seasonal

I know this thread isn't in the funny section but I can't even begin to say how much it made me laugh

A haunting warning from experts on the what they call is a real threat to the US, an EMP from our friends the North Koreans.

The only experts on Capitol Hill are those who have expertise in turning their mouths into reverse toilets, and the only threat to the U.S. are the idiots already in power there

Sometimes feels like the whole world know the bullsh*t for what it is, yet there are some over in the U.S. living in their own world, creating their own narrative and still trying to sell it, it's actually quite disturbing

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Nickn3

I "get" the fairy tale doomsday scenarios, but they're simply not realistic. Our power grid is actually a collection of separate power grids & I don't believe they will all fail. And there's simply no way that 300 million or so Americans (aka 90%) are just going to die off like that.

And even though a lot of people here like to talk about survival stuff, I have my doubts after reading threads like this. I've been to places that have no power grid & life didn't grind to a halt. There are the equivalent of entire counties in poor countries right now that survive just fine with heavily polluted waters & contaminated soils; scarce food supplies; only wood, charcoal, and/or coal as fuel; and indigenous "medical" techniques & medicines. Those areas suffer all manners of ailments, from stunted growth & shortened lifespans to a disproportionately high number of deaths from childbirth & waterborne illnesses. Yet humans still survive and thrive in those conditions, just as humans have since we first arrived on Earth (as in, 90% of their populations don't just die off in a year).

In other words, human life is way more resilient than people here seem to think. In fact, it sounds to me like people here think that life can't exist without the modern amenities we're used to having here. But that's ridiculous. The physically handicapped, mentally ill, and individuals with medical conditions that require regular treatments at modern medical facilities would possibly be screwed in a society with no power grid. But there's no way those people make up 90% of the country's population.

And I also don't agree with the implied points that 1) our entire country's power grids are as vulnerable to EMP as Hollywood & doomporn would lead us to believe, and 2) that our utility companies and relief operations couldn't repair the key components of those power grids in a hypothetical nationwide EMP barrage. I could also go into detail on why these doomporn scenarios are unrealistic when it comes to big cities since I live in one, but there's no point. It's like it never entered people's minds that our allies would send help, emergency supplies, help with evacuations, etc. And that's under the assumption that this hypothetical EMP barrage was actually effective in the first place. It's like the bogus Y2K scare all over again.

ETA: LOL Wow, I had to edit out some of the times I said "simply". It was getting on my nerves reading "I simply don't, that's simply not, etc".

I hope we never find out. I do have 36 years experience as an electrical contractor, so my knowledge of those very system gives my theory a small edge. That being said, EMP is what I fear more than anything.