Congress warned North Korean EMP attack would kill '90% of all Americans'

An EMP strike might kill 90% of Americans within a year.
But the nuclear response would kill 99.9% of North Koreans within 20 minutes.

Kim may be a madman, but I don't think he so mad as to not realize this equation.

originally posted by: liejunkie01
I guess it's a good thing I live in the middle of corn fields.

So the 90% deal is city folk right. You know the ones against the second amendment. Or is it wrong of me to assume that?

But isn't this whole article, story, warning an assumption?

On the other hand, I guess the Amish will be just fine.

Those of us out in the tall weeds are a little ore used to being at least somewhat more self sufficient. With enough land you can hunt, fish, and grow food. Most people out my way already grow and can much of what they eat.

And your right. It's mostly these people that have the skills as well as the hardware to not be some of those projected 90%

originally posted by: gb540
An EMP strike might kill 90% of Americans within a year.
But the nuclear response would kill 99.9% of North Koreans within 20 minutes.

Kim may be a madman, but I don't think he so mad as to not realize this equation.

its not the emp that's will kill 90% its the survival game food water

a reply to: KarmaComa

That's laudible however the scale of disaster will make that effort look as a drop of water in a huge lake.

In the 3-6 weeks it takes shipping to cross it'd probably be to dangerous to even contemplate docking due civil breakdown.

The other not mentioned issue my previous post is what happens in rest of world as there will be huge per vacuum to be filled.

Personally think other countries might be to busy with that issue to help.

a reply to: Phoenixour young pilots that fly commercial airlines let the plane fly there self all power stops on the plane he better know how to land and all the gps is out on ships there out in open water with a compos that is spinning cant find north with magnetic wave, no more navigation

a reply to: ObsidianEclipse

The power grid, with its huge cables which act as conductors for the electromagnetic discharge is the week point and yes it would collapse (it is designed to do so and thus isolate damage to the surrounding network outside of the blast zones. Cables literally decouple themselves with explosive charges).

Since our power grid was built over 50 years ago, no thought was given at that time to anything like an EMP. Therefore, our power distribution system is generally built on some very old technology. I believe the isolation devices to which you are referring were designed to handle lightening strikes. But the first phase of the EMP, E1, has a voltage rise time that is faster than those arresting devices can react. By the time they blow, if they blow, the entire control system has been inundated with high voltage.

The E3 phase of the EMP causes a large quasi-DC current to build up in the distribution system. And that DC current causes the large high voltage transformers to overheat. If they're not destroyed outright, the internal heat damage will cause them to fail in short order.

Futurescience

-dex

Thought to ponder when all the media sales you on the ideal to stock pile supply's its a easy stock pile for the troops to pick over out in the field, the mercenary's... the refining or processing of required materials, the rotation of stockpiled materials to prevent deterioration, the disposal of stockpiled materials after 6 months, it would greatly reduce the quantities of materials needed in the stockpile if all the houses are at there disposal. Hitler stock piled civilians with food for the troups

a reply to: Phage
lots of older homes have hotwater heaters that have a 20 to 50 gallon tank to store heated water these tanks also have a tape on the side to drain tank so if water preassure drops you still got 20 to 50 gallons of drinking water. newer homes might not have that kinda water hater tho because of water restriction rules from cali in the plumbing industry.

a reply to: madenusai don't know what you talking about the sun and the stars are still there if its clear plus gps outside of emp should still work

a reply to: proteus33

Would this EMP take out satellites too?

originally posted by: gb540
An EMP strike might kill 90% of Americans within a year.
But the nuclear response would kill 99.9% of North Koreans within 20 minutes.

Kim may be a madman, but I don't think he so mad as to not realize this equation.

Betting whether Kim is crazy or not or just not THAT crazy is not a bet I'd wager 300,000,000 lives on - it's not worth the risk even slightly.

a reply to: seasonal

My understanding is yes on satillites in low earth orbit.

They lost Telstar1 this way due starfish prime if not mistaken.

a reply to: Willtell

Hate to inform you but NK has had nuclear weapons program issues since Bill and Madalin claimed peace was at hand.

Had many predecessors nipped this in bud it would not be problem it is today.

originally posted by: liejunkie01
I guess it's a good thing I live in the middle of corn fields.

So the 90% deal is city folk right. You know the ones against the second amendment. Or is it wrong of me to assume that?

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Yeppers. And if that happened the Democrat running for President will have exactly 0 delegate votes. I'm not seeing a downside here.

originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: madenusai don't know what you talking about the sun and the stars are still there if its clear plus gps outside of emp should still work

In looking at the GPS System, it looks like it might not be taken completely out by the EMP. The satellites themselves orbit at over 12,550 miles. That should be well outside of any gamma ray exposure or high energy particle range. There are several monitoring stations outside of the CONUS, so they wouldn't be directly affected by the EMP. However, the Master Control Station is located in Colorado. That system may be compromised. But supposedly there is a backup somewhere. In any event, I wouldn't count on it being very usable in the near term after an attack.

As far as the compass, stars, sun, and moon as navigation aids, I wonder how many of the modern pilots and ships navigators still know how to plot out a course on a paper map. Do they still carry sextants on planes and ships for navigational backup?


-dex

a reply to: Phage
Sounds like

Space Wars: The First Six Hours of World War III

just with more doom porn.

a reply to: DexterRiley

If the transceivers for servicing the bird are dead, GPS signals will decay over time because the single satelites run out of sync. A charged up ionosphere could prevent propper communication. The clocks need to be synced manually now and then.

What nonsense. One single EMP for the whole of the US is impossible you would need thousands of them over every city and every location with a computer, car artic etc. Impossible. However, let's go with the impossible. I have a sneaking suspicion that if your Samsung laptop is fried after an EMP, Korea might be able to send you over a new one! The fried electrics of the Honda car might come from Japan? I have a sneaking suspicion things could get to an emergency supply mode very fast given 21st supply chains. Now if Trumpo gets his way and everything is "made in USA" before the EMP you might have a problem!.

How come the focus is on North Korea? What about a chinese EMP or a Russian EMP, they have the capability.

Oh forgot to mention those EMP's will only affect closed circuits ie ones that are switched on. If the computer, car, truck etc is switched off only the standby circuits may be fried. Again a lot of stuff has surge protection so that will survive.

The EMP doomsday scenario is fictional as in the Tom Cruise version of War of the Worlds.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: proteus33

Would this EMP take out satellites too?

You saw the Red Dawn remake right? An EMP strike will take out anything with an American flag on it..

Not a single piece of infrastructure is shielded against such an attack..

Just imagine how easy it will be then for a foreign state to pull of the tactically impossible step of invading the mainland US.

What nonsense.

please educate yourself before you present your half-knowledge about EMPs and their effects as facts or stick to trains.