The Celebrities of ATS

It is without question this site has gone from a conspiracy forum to a political forum. No long time user in the right mind could argue this, proof only need be invested into the last years worth of threads. Left, right, (alt) liberal, (alt) republican, it really doesn't matter in this context.

What does matter? Well, it doesn't so long as you believe it doesn't. You want to make America great again? Good for you, you patriotic human. You want to defeat racism and end all sources of bigotry that exists in the world? Also good for you, I have no issue with any of that.

What does matter? Well, as much as a loaded question that is, there is a simple answer to that. What matters is what YOU want. You all want something different, no matter the scenario. There are several "popular" posters here who reign supreme in stars and flags - taking the throne in what seems to be the "Celebrities of ATS. There is an EXTREME political divide in those who take this stance, all with fair points of argument, none with the resolve to meet the others end.

There are no more popular conspiracies as there were 10 years ago, there are only partisan politics following the ideals of the left vs right, each with their own group of followers. It is simply no different than CNN vs FOX at this point, albeit focused to a more concentrated playing field. It is no different than twitter, each high ranking poster with their own followers, ready to star and flag regardless of the content posted - so long as it fits their general perspective.

What does that matter? It matters significantly, in the spectrum of the lurkers - such as myself - who came here initially to focus on topics not covered by the mainstream. For now, every forum alike, has become devolved into a state of political chaos. The main board is either filled with Trump - love him or hate him, he is the greatest celebrity since... well... Obama.

While I could go off and name the "celebrities" of ATS, I think most already know who they are at this point. These facts remain redundant, as in if they weren't focused on those who are, they would fall on those who would be. This is how the world simply works, secret societies be on point. Youtube has it's likes and subscribers, twitter has loves and followers, ATS has stars and flags.

I do not wish to stand in the way of your beliefs, weather the be tit or tat, just simply to give an observers perspective on what has become. There is no longer a separation from the mainstream media to sites such as ATS, it has only become more of this and some of that.

I've seen the first guitar forum "Wholenote" on the net fold up. It was the place where it all began for guitar players. And then the next big guitar forum at a turtles pace nowadays. Like life, forum have a life of their own. Although I'm new on the forum, I got to admit, I like coming here daily to find out what is happening around the world. It's great that the members here are from all over this planet.

a reply to: musicismagic

Coming to ATS has always been one of my favorite sources of dialogue. Indeed there are those from across the world, sharing ideas and giving life to perspective. I find this to be one of the most intriguing aspects of the forum, and that is one of the reasons I still visit.

What I can't quite comprehend, however, is the lack of understanding from those who take sides, to even understand the side which they stand is simply a mirror of their counterpart. I say mirror, as you see a reflection of yourself, though with the left on the right, and the right on the left.

Stars and flags be damned, there is always a balance to be desired.

originally posted by: MindShine

There are no more popular conspiracies as there were 10 years ago, there are only partisan politics following the ideals of the left vs right, each with their own group of followers.

Well maybe not 'popular', but the biggest story of our species' entire history, in my view, is the AGI Manhattan Project. The open goal of the technocrat elitists behind it is the extinction of homo sapiens. Now this does go back many decades, all the way back to the Eugenics Movement, actually, and the AGI Manhattan Project begin on September 12, 2001, although few knew it. Exposing it has been the core of my motivations in all of this for some nearly 12 years, although "AGI Manhattan Project" wasnt a term known outside of their circles until maybe it was 2009. Ben Goertzal was the first person, still the only person I ever heard use it, he was speaking hypothetically in the clip I found it in but the thing was it had been well underway for years by then (which I'm sure he was actually well aware). So in 2010 I released my then most complete 'systems analysis' presentation of a thesis of the machination that grew in the wake of 9/11 titled just that. In it I argued with piles of data that there was an "Economic World War" being waged against the commoners of Planet Earth, to prevent us from being able to participate in their heaven on earth scheme of transhumanist tech induced immortality. At that time the Tea Party & Occupy Movement's both rose up in more or less the same anti-establishment attitude, and just as quick they were each coopted by the Two Party & MSM System, the Tea Party were branded as racists, and just as fast the left were driven mad with racial obsessionism, all by 2011. The 9/11 Truth Movement assassinated. Tea & Occupy lynched. The anti-war movement carpet bombed by Obama. Right at this time a myriad of factors came in that I'd be tuned out of all of this stuff for the next 5 years. In that time I was able to not beat myself up too much as all the exposure from those overlapping movements should have had a lasting impact (it didnt), and everyone had AI phones in their pockets now what do they need me to explain the looming implications for? Little did I realize this SJW insanity was busy fracturing society and trolling back into existence the long ago faded out white supremacy fervor. I had happened to notice the BLM thing in the headlines, I had seen some of those police shooting videos and was stunned, so I figured the protests were about that. Come to find out that's just their banner but their manifesto is all about the full list of SJW mania, and that there would be nothing short of SJW Supremacy over all others to ever appease their thirst for power. Last year it took me a minute of head scratching to finally sort the sea change out, and in no time I started noticing how the same tech giant players already at the top of my technocrat transhumanist elitist + national university infrastructure (that interlocks with them and the official government flavors of the AGI Manhattan Project) snip list were the very same fountainheads of this SJW bizarro fest that has become the whole platform of the Democrat Party. Utterly brilliant strategy by the way. Truly marvelous. With this (not so) 'new' identity politics insanity (the mind control model at its core originally pioneered in Nazi Germany's eugenicist utopia), here for 'eternity' we're to expect the "left" and the "right" a never ending pissing match primary with cycles of violence secondaries, where everyone is too busy obsessing about the groups they were born into and/or find appealing to ever stop and notice that the technocrat's are playing us all like primitive tribalist marionettes while plundering our wealth like never before all while their technological machinations are poised to splatter humanity like a crate of tomatoes versus a runaway freight train (maybe in a mere 10 years)... let alone have any hoping of uniting against them not even for the survival of our species and the planet. Instead we see threads about 'the most important issue of the decade is trans rights', but nope Hillary & Obama being open allies with AL QAEDA nope non issue. Hey but Trump's he's a jerk and somehow he worse than any POTUS in history (before he was even in office was the story). Mass murderers though, they're free to go. Hey if that is Trump's ambitions well he sure knows now that he can get away with it, although thats the same story as ever and why the rest always do because hey party politics come before our country. Oh, and we're supposed to radicalize towards eviscerating the fabric of our society and celebrate handing it all over to some hypothetical global government run by multinational corporations. And the radicalism thats required to push that agenda thats not supposed to radicalize the counter current. OH, well actually it is, because that's how we all lose. So keep it up everyone, because until this changes we already lost and you know what if mass murderous war criminality is permissible 'as long as its my team starting it', in the 21st Freaking Century, then maybe we dont deserve to survive anyways. The problem is if we leave it at that all life on Earth can expect to perish with us because the tech stakes at hand in this looming WW3 (or is it WW4 or WW5 I lost count) are unlike anything history can even preparing us for in terms of scope. History does have a role to teach however, because it reveals our human nature, how as long as we keep pushing on ignoring our nature while constantly reaching towards more and more while everyone insists their group warrants supremacy well The Darkest Patterns continue to play out in ever grander form. Therefore we must break these cycles, and reach for an all new renaissance in human perception and affairs. Otherwise we perish and by the time that comes we'll have wished the nukes would have flown back int eh Cold War to save us the universal global suffering of what happens when primitive man (thats us) became cyborgs to enhance ourselves while expecting that we wouldnt also enhance our darkest traits: these traits that rule our society and thinking and discourse and we're all too happy to keep playing along as if any one tribe can possibly ever reign supreme short of eventual genocide. Whoever thinks that can work go check out what it took to break the Nazi's resolve, the aftermath of WW2. What's coming, if we dont get right with ourselves and each other, and take the power back ahead of time, the aftermath of WW2 will look like a cakewalk in the gumdrop forest.

But hey, what do I know? I'm just a cynical bastard who criticizes all this tribalist stuff so you had better all ignore me.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Paragraphs are your friend.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: MindShine

There are no more popular conspiracies as there were 10 years ago, there are only partisan politics following the ideals of the left vs right, each with their own group of followers.

Well maybe not 'popular', but the biggest story of our species' entire history, in my view, is the AGI Manhattan Project. The open goal of the technocrat elitists behind it is the extinction of homo sapiens. Now this does go back many decades, all the way back to the Eugenics Movement, actually, and the AGI Manhattan Project begin on September 12, 2001, although few knew it. Exposing it has been the core of my motivations in all of this for some nearly 12 years, although "AGI Manhattan Project" wasnt a term known outside of their circles until maybe it was 2009. Ben Goertzal was the first person, still the only person I ever heard use it, he was speaking hypothetically in the clip I found it in but the thing was it had been well underway for years by then (which I'm sure he was actually well aware). So in 2010 I released my then most complete 'systems analysis' presentation of a thesis of the machination that grew in the wake of 9/11 titled just that. In it I argued with piles of data that there was an "Economic World War" being waged against the commoners of Planet Earth, to prevent us from being able to participate in their heaven on earth scheme of transhumanist tech induced immortality. At that time the Tea Party & Occupy Movement's both rose up in more or less the same anti-establishment attitude, and just as quick they were each coopted by the Two Party & MSM System, the Tea Party were branded as racists, and just as fast the left were driven mad with racial obsessionism, all by 2011. The 9/11 Truth Movement assassinated. Tea & Occupy lynched. The anti-war movement carpet bombed by Obama. Right at this time a myriad of factors came in that I'd be tuned out of all of this stuff for the next 5 years. In that time I was able to not beat myself up too much as all the exposure from those overlapping movements should have had a lasting impact (it didnt), and everyone had AI phones in their pockets now what do they need me to explain the looming implications for? Little did I realize this SJW insanity was busy fracturing society and trolling back into existence the long ago faded out white supremacy fervor. I had happened to notice the BLM thing in the headlines, I had seen some of those police shooting videos and was stunned, so I figured the protests were about that. Come to find out that's just their banner but their manifesto is all about the full list of SJW mania, and that there would be nothing short of SJW Supremacy over all others to ever appease their thirst for power. Last year it took me a minute of head scratching to finally sort the sea change out, and in no time I started noticing how the same tech giant players already at the top of my technocrat transhumanist elitist + national university infrastructure (that interlocks with them and the official government flavors of the AGI Manhattan Project) snip list were the very same fountainheads of this SJW bizarro fest that has become the whole platform of the Democrat Party. Utterly brilliant strategy by the way. Truly marvelous. With this (not so) 'new' identity politics insanity (the mind control model at its core originally pioneered in Nazi Germany's eugenicist utopia), here for 'eternity' we're to expect the "left" and the "right" a never ending pissing match primary with cycles of violence secondaries, where everyone is too busy obsessing about the groups they were born into and/or find appealing to ever stop and notice that the technocrat's are playing us all like primitive tribalist marionettes while plundering our wealth like never before all while their technological machinations are poised to splatter humanity like a crate of tomatoes versus a runaway freight train (maybe in a mere 10 years)... let alone have any hoping of uniting against them not even for the survival of our species and the planet. Instead we see threads about 'the most important issue of the decade is trans rights', but nope Hillary & Obama being open allies with AL QAEDA nope non issue. Hey but Trump's he's a jerk and somehow he worse than any POTUS in history (before he was even in office was the story). Mass murderers though, they're free to go. Hey if that is Trump's ambitions well he sure knows now that he can get away with it, although thats the same story as ever and why the rest always do because hey party politics come before our country. Oh, and we're supposed to radicalize towards eviscerating the fabric of our society and celebrate handing it all over to some hypothetical global government run by multinational corporations. And the radicalism thats required to push that agenda thats not supposed to radicalize the counter current. OH, well actually it is, because that's how we all lose. So keep it up everyone, because until this changes we already lost and you know what if mass murderous war criminality is permissible 'as long as its my team starting it', in the 21st Freaking Century, then maybe we dont deserve to survive anyways. The problem is if we leave it at that all life on Earth can expect to perish with us because the tech stakes at hand in this looming WW3 (or is it WW4 or WW5 I lost count) are unlike anything history can even preparing us for in terms of scope. History does have a role to teach however, because it reveals our human nature, how as long as we keep pushing on ignoring our nature while constantly reaching towards more and more while everyone insists their group warrants supremacy well The Darkest Patterns continue to play out in ever grander form. Therefore we must break these cycles, and reach for an all new renaissance in human perception and affairs. Otherwise we perish and by the time that comes we'll have wished the nukes would have flown back int eh Cold War to save us the universal global suffering of what happens when primitive man (thats us) became cyborgs to enhance ourselves while expecting that we wouldnt also enhance our darkest traits: these traits that rule our society and thinking and discourse and we're all too happy to keep playing along as if any one tribe can possibly ever reign supreme short of eventual genocide. Whoever thinks that can work go check out what it took to break the Nazi's resolve, the aftermath of WW2. What's coming, if we dont get right with ourselves and each other, and take the power back ahead of time, the aftermath of WW2 will look like a cakewalk in the gumdrop forest.
But hey, what do I know? I'm just a cynical bastard who criticizes all this tribalist stuff so you had better all ignore me.

Well said: I think some are just to sensitive to other peope's political views or the reporting of wrong doing especially if the report is slanted fake news to begin with. It is a political basket case in the states presently because those who had the election and their programs in pocket lost.. They will not give up and will do everything to undermine anyone and everyone who is not their chosen one.

Political stuff, religion, and something else (can't remember now) should be avoided at a dinner party for peace and harmony.. But it is still fun sometimes to point out the absolute stupidity of some MSN gospel

If you go to forums you have your pick of topics,how is this relevant when your post was in referance to your conceived notion of ATS"stars",this sounds more like a rant because you don't have any stars,it's not like you can redeem them for ATS bucks,try something other then new posts much more options helps keep my blood pressure down

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I feel your analysis, and can wholeheartedly relate. The notion of conspiracies such as yours, while they exist, are currently a shadow compared to what most find to be relevant in discussion at this time. Above top politics is the main focus for the time being. Also I do have to second the notion to use paragraphs and spacing a little more.

a reply to: Oldtimer2

You seem to be misinterpreting, allow me to clarify.

First, "if" you go to forums, you can certainly choose your desired flavor. Now lets be realistic, do you believe the majority of lurkers really come in to look at each dedicated forum specifically catered to what they think they want to see? I have a pretty good feeling that most come in, as with any news site, and first have a look over the front page, as well as any trending discussions. There in lies the main fruit of ATS content, wouldn't you think?

To comment on your other accusation, why would stars and flags concern me as an earning, when I only post once every 2 years? I believe if they held a true merit of self value, I would try a little harder to attain them.

However, to go back to the original point, those same stars and flags are what boost a thread right to the front page, right to the peering eyes of users, lurkers, and first time readers. Those are the main subjects to leave an impression based on what is trending. Once again, I am not labeling this as negative or positive, more just as a point of awareness to what the state of trends currently resides in.

You are free to judge otherwise, I am simply making an observation.

a reply to: MindShine

There is no "main page" here. Members start and go wherever they want as a "1St" opening page.

Nor does everyone log out or use mobile on mobile.. So I think your premise respectfully.. is off.

So.. Please show us the MAIN PAGE...

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I am so not reading that.

As another said...paragraphs, man.

a reply to: MindShine

I came to ATS not to look at the front page, but to look at the forums - and I found the sections that interested me.

I can say that is most likely for a lot of others also, as they are launched directly into the forums when they are searching on a search engine on a subject.

Came looking for another forum when the Para-Normal.com one shutdown long ago...found ATS forums in one search.

People who have interests in conspiracies also want to interact online, a forum is the first thing they look for on a conspiracy site - they will glance the front page then look directly for the "message boards" "boards" "forums" words.

a reply to: MindShine

ATS is one among many forums I visit every day for my recommended daily dose of conspiracy.

Vary your diet if the content doesn't meet your nutritional requirements.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Right there with you. We were the norm here at ATS 8-10 years ago. Now? Psssshhh, hardly. If anything, the mentality is frowned on.

I think it's a conspiracy.

Dammit.

I clicked on this thread thinking:

"Finally ! Somebody made a thread all about little ol' me !"




Boo hiss.

a reply to: MindShine

I'm very sure some of the ATS celebrities star themselves, they probably have 20 accounts. Those stars have no merit towards reality.

I completely agree.

It's kind of sad really.

I miss the old time posters that are no longer here or the ones that do not participate that much anymore.

What sucks is now if you take the time to make a good thread, it quickly gets over looked and it seems like the time and effort just isn't worth it.

Now it seems that the political state has taken over. It could possibly be manufactured by people that are pushing agendas, but I just think that it is mostly people who can't turn off the television or leave the news channels alone.

My grandpa used to say there are two things we don't discuss when hanging out with friends or family. Those two things are religion and politics.

Now it seems that every one thinks that they are so important and that they have to yell from the mountain tops of what their political opinions and view points are.

a reply to: Oldtimer2

I don't see the OP as petulance against lack of stars. I understand exactly what the opinion is, and I agree.

It is nearly comical to be able to predict what member will be posting a response on what thread. I've seen certain "celebrity" ATS members called into a thread with phasers set to stun. The ATS rules are meant to apply equally, and yet...

I enjoy reading the stories and discussions from 2007 to about 2010. They were mentally engaging for many and far less combative, comparible to now.



Thank you, Op. I'd give you a star if it were possible.