Tom DeLonge Anouncement: October 11th 9:00 AM PST/12:00 PM EST

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: thepixelpusher
nobody of consequence is impressed

Nothing worse then arguing from the position of "Don't you know who I am?!". Describing yourself as a Scholar on the profile, 3 million stars, registered in 2006. Clearly alluding that you are someone of consequence, though lurkers, who outnumber you, are not. You claim to represent the aviation community in a post on this page. You reek of arrogance and are noseblind to your own stink. Do you have any idea how deeply entrenched your mind is? The ladder required for you to climb to get out of your own head must be unimaginably long.

Yesterday’s Partial Disclosure announcement was a BIG DEAL. WHY?

a reply to: spleenika

Wasnt talking about myself in the selected section of quote of mine you posted. Entrenched mind okay. I guess the kettle is calling the pot black now. Well have fun with the delonge stuff. Ill be quiet now and simply watch. Should make you guys happy.

Hey CIA and DIA. Good job guys its working. 👍 wink wink.

originally posted by: thepixelpusher
Yesterday’s Partial Disclosure announcement was a BIG DEAL. WHY?

ussually if you have to tell people why its a big deal it probably isnt.


I havent been following for the last few days nor read up on it. however from the comments here it looks like, toms big announcement deals with an article about govt investigating unknown flying objects (which is a duh)and a video that was already in the public domain as of 2007?

so in your opinion whats the bomb shell here since you appear pretty supportive of Tom?

Open Question to Alien Life Skeptics:
What kind of being do you think you specifically are? A thousand thousand trillion likely planets in the universe, of which you are floating on one of those big rocks. One. Herein on this flying space rock, you communicate without moving your lips or having to exhale a noise, with other similar beings on that rock, easily thousands of miles between you and the other beings, on a lightning powered object called on earth a computer. Are you not a scientifically demonstrable example of an alien yourself? Well of course no right, because you are on this particular space rock?

I really don't get why people think the concept of alien life is so fringe and chuckle worthy, when we live on a planet with trillions of life forms. There are immortal jellyfish that don't die of old age, only from violence/accidents, in our very oceans. And you think Aliens are an occult concept? You live on the same planet as immortal beings. You probably have never seen one of these immortals, and millions of the life forms you share your planet with. But other humans have seen them, just as your other humans have seen alien life. But the humans you find credible are the ones who speak of immortals, but the alien ones are all hoaxers and fantasy riddled crazy?
(just in case someone is curious: Wikipedia for Immortal Jellyfish)

a reply to: spleenika

You would be hard pressed to find scientists who deny the possibility (or probability) of life (or intelligent life) elsewhere. Not that I'm a scientist, but I'm on board with them.

It would seem you have presented a straw man argument.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: spleenika

It would seem you have presented a straw man argument.

That's fair, indeed it was a straw man argument. Though if you asked me, I would rather call it an imagination exercise.

Ah dear Phage, you are the most dreaded person to be replied too from, on this particular forum, yet you are looking so hard for the truth too. I don't know what motivates you, though I'm sure your story is somewhere in your massive number of posts. I wish I could give you what I have, which is a first hand witnessing of an object breaking our known rules of physics. I believe you want to see such a thing for yourself badly, and I feel heavily for how much time and heart you poor into your efforts.

a reply to: spleenika

Dreaded? Because I seek rational discourse? Because I challenge and ask pointed questions? That's a source of dread?

a reply to: spleenika

I too have seen things seemingly "break" the known rules of physics. Amazing how we come to totally different conclusions. I found it to be military in origen.

Also another bit of advice often times if it appears to break the known rules of physics its just because you dont really know what youre looking at and how to interpret the data correctly.

To some layman from the 1800s a television and radio would be breaking the known rules of physics.

Also a lot of physics is counter intuitive. What you think you see is often not whats actually going on. To make a leap of a phenomena being alien just cause you dont understand it is a huge logical fallacy.

Finally you assume too much regarding other members here. Certainly me. But perhaps phage too and many others.

a reply to: Phage

Oh sorry did that surprise you? I did not think it would. Generally, if you reply to someone, that means they messed something up. You have a clearer head then most, which is frankly intimidating to us lesser mortals.

a reply to: spleenika

Like I said, I tend to ask pointed questions when someone makes a bold statement. There is a long tradition of this.
www.criticalthinking.org...

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Well what I saw I do not know if it was alien or military or what not. However I have owned and used telescopes for decades and am a very experienced observer of the sky. It is one of my passions. What I saw was not normal phenomena, of which I am accustomed too and I am still lacking a proper explanation for it.

Anyways, to the point of aliens, I include it as a likely explanation. I don't find that to be an obscene argument. I frankly think there are much weirder explanations to be given then that one. The explanation many give that they are demons seems more odd to me, yet I can't discount that one either. And I hope the military does have such capabilities, but it seems that in an organization such as the military which finds useful just the mere perception of power, it would be tempting for them to claim the phenomena as their own. That seems more suspect to me, but I digress.

a reply to: spleenika

I actually liked that last post of yours. Right on.

a reply to: Phage

A bold statement, that is where we disagree. I don't find it bold at all. I think it should be banal at this point.

Edit: Also I appreciate critical thinking, I once made a post here on ATS a century or so ago on that topic, that racked me up a massive three stars, www.abovetopsecret.com...

The concept is less popular then I had hoped. Or maybe I'm bad at post marketing.

a reply to: spleenika

That's because they were taught this way. First taught to laugh and ridicule anything alien. Now slowly taught that yes universe is huge so there must be life but OUT THERE. Now they need some time to accept that it might already be here. Since ages or always. Many people are tragic like skinny jeans dilemma. Some years ago everyone wearing skinny jeans was a damn gay. Now the very same skinny jeans heterophobes are wearing them because mainstream allowed them to do it.

a reply to: spleenika

Perhaps you misunderstood.

In the case of this topic (UFOs) for example, you will be hard pressed to find me expressing doubt about someone's description of what they experienced. However, if that description offers avenues of exploration I will attempt to do so. Sometimes it leads somewhere, sometimes it doesn't.

In most cases however, there is so little actual data (time of day, direction, elevation, etc.), or the data is ambiguous or contradictory, that such avenues don't exist. You won't see me commenting. There is no point in saying, "Wow, weird."

Someone saw something that they didn't know what it was. That is what it is. I've seen somethings I didn't know what it was too.

a reply to: spleenika

Like you I have seen a UFO first hand that doesn't fit the capabilities of our earthly craft. It's awe inspiring and a bit frightening too. I understand the skepticism of those that haven't had a mind opening experience such as mine and yours. In regards to DeLonge I have an open mind and look for evidence to verify his presentations. I think is best best to offer trust but verify.

a reply to: Phage

I suspect the lack of data is intentional on "their" part. Though I think "they" are not infallible and make mistakes. Forgive me a small, evidence-less rant. This is how my imagination explains what I think is their capability to avoid detection and recording. At the least, you may have a laugh at my expense, I won't mind.

I would venture you have probably heard of the phenomena in physics, where simply observing an experiment can change the output of the experiment? I imagine a much further advanced civilization having AI controlled nano-drones to be trivial if they were only 200 years ahead of us. And what if they had the capability to be alerted simply to being observed by a consciousness because of that known effect in physics, it sounds an alarm if you will for them. Then they could use drone swarms for intelligence gathering to determine if it is an unwanted, recorded observation? I would think they could have counter measures, if they are trying to stay hidden. I even go so far as to think such a crazy thing, as the same capability would explain reports that the supposed alien beings are telepathic. Perhaps its not real telepathy, but a mechanical technology they employ that appears as such? Little nano things that could interact with the brain, helping repress memories, putting up front or cover memories, or even communicating. Why not? It can be hard to imagine the capabilities of advanced civilizations, which I personally think its safe to assume exist.

I really think the fact it is so hard to nail down evidence about them is not an accident. Why they would want to keep under the major public's radar is a whole different topic but to me it seems that is the case.