Tom DeLonge Anouncement: October 11th 9:00 AM PST/12:00 PM EST

originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: BeefNoMeat

ohh the TDL video is laughable its so CGI its not even funny.

as far as his motive, i think Tom isn't a dummy by any means. But i think people can get extreme cases of confirmation bias that can blind even the best. add in his government sources telling him god knows what he is ready to believe anything.

he is doing UFOlogy a dis service that's for sure.

at this point even if he had real solid evidence no one would give him the time of day, and maybe THAT is the point a soft disclosure that only the people really interested in UFO's or fringe aviation will recognize. and the rest will dismiss as BS. And later in time the government can be like we told you but you didnt believe.


i guess what im trying to say Tom is playing the role of a useful idiot

I’m not patronizing (I’ve read you over here, but mainly in the aviation forum), but this is your best post I’ve read. I am quite sure we see this affair exactly the same.

By far, the closest to answering “why”. You can chose to read my earlier post at your leisure; you and I are closer to the ‘truth’ than anyone else participating in the thread.

I’ll continue to drop in, but until something is produced or revealed worth discussing, I won’t bothering giving it anymore bumps by posting. Cheers

a reply to: bgerbger

I don't think you need to worry yourself. The tech the government has in Black Projects would never leave the Labs for the common person to utilize. Though, it would be impressive.

a reply to: justwokeup

So it's all about the people he's working with and their job titles?

That was Tom's final gambit when pushed by Joe Rogan, "dude, just read the bio's of the people on my team".

Ohhh, you mean the people who have worked with you closely for years now, wholly unaware that you believe every UFO story and obvious, well known hoax videos on Youtube? To the point that you'll go on a popular talkshow and implicate your whole team and all your presumed high-level gov/mil support in your toddler-level gullibility? Well their fancy titles are sure to outshine that turd tornado!


Occam's Razor tells me that his team, and indeed any agency involved in his businesses for whatever reason, are not very clever. Delonge hasn't made a dent on the frequency of UFO sightings, or the capability of any person with a phone to capture one and upload it at any time. He hasn't made Ufology look much worse, it's done that very well on its own. He hasn't purposely or inadvertently leaked any new info. Ummm, the sci-fi entertainment world has been chugging right along without him, blowing up box offices and streaming services.

He and his team bring nothing to the table, besides a flimsy vehicle to make money off a generation of sci-fi fans using a bumbling hipster frontman and the glint of fancy titles. How I would have loved to have been wrong.

DP

originally posted by: Iridomyrmex
a reply to: justwokeup

So it's all about the people he's working with and their job titles?

That was Tom's final gambit when pushed by Joe Rogan, "dude, just read the bio's of the people on my team".

Ohhh, you mean the people who have worked with you closely for years now, wholly unaware that you believe every UFO story and obvious, well known hoax videos on Youtube? To the point that you'll go on a popular talkshow and implicate your whole team and all your presumed high-level gov/mil support in your toddler-level gullibility? Well their fancy titles are sure to outshine that turd tornado!


Occam's Razor tells me that his team, and indeed any agency involved in his businesses for whatever reason, are not very clever. Delonge hasn't made a dent on the frequency of UFO sightings, or the capability of any person with a phone to capture one and upload it at any time. He hasn't made Ufology look much worse, it's done that very well on its own. He hasn't purposely or inadvertently leaked any new info. Ummm, the sci-fi entertainment world has been chugging right along without him, blowing up box offices and streaming services.

He and his team bring nothing to the table, besides a flimsy vehicle to make money off a generation of sci-fi fans using a bumbling hipster frontman and the glint of fancy titles. How I would have loved to have been wrong.

I find the assertion the people involved are just idiots is not compatible with who they are and where they've recently been.

So far they've done nothing and released nothing. If doing nothing is their only plan this will be a short lived enterprise. If not we can judge whatever comes out on its own merits.

I'm still hopeful to the idea that something noteworthy comes from this. Despite the fact Delonge himself is a bit of a fool and looks more so the more he talks.

originally posted by: justwokeup
I find the assertion the people involved are just idiots is not compatible with who they are and where they've recently been.

Agreed. It would be more interesting to try to understand what they want.
Some seem to start from the assumption that everybody else is evil at heart.
My experience in life is the contrary: Most people try to help somehow and want others to be OK.
If I look at To The Starts from this angle, other conclusions are possible.

gotta laugh at the recent interview/podcast Tom did with Joe Rogan.

JR; so tom who are these incredible people your working with
TD;well i can't tell you that.

JR; so are aliens here?what do they want where they from?
TD; well i can't tell you that, BUT I PROMISE IT'S ALL TRUE AND WHEN I CAN TELL YOU........

Then tom goes on to show a clip of a supposed TR3B craft the clip is lifted off youtube and its been
hauled out in front of ATS and as far as the word on the street is it's a hoax vid.

Tom thinks its real but maybe his super secret team adviser on hoax TR3B craft vids told him so it must be real.

And him and his company are building these types of craft,well that's there goal.

I honestly cannot work out any sort of logic here: the govt. wants to release knowledge of UFOs, but they've decided to do it in such a way that only the most gullible and desperate souls would believe them.

I don't pay much attention to people like Steven Greer, and I can't fathom why any sane person would beyond a morbid fascination with frauds. I saw a video of him charging groups of people to go out into empty fields and stand inside of giant invisible UFOs. That's all anyone should need to know about Greer.

If this semi-disclosure happened before with Greer, what was accomplished? Where is the tact in releasing info/disinfo through hack frontmen? What could possibly be gained in any significant way that could not be done more reasonably or efficiently?

From a strategic standpoint, who is supposed to believe this stuff, and what are supposed to do with this information?
Anyone have a clue?

a reply to: Iridomyrmex

No.
Hahaha

a reply to: Iridomyrmex

Plausable Deniability. If this attempt all goes to pot, they can just point to delonge and some of his 'B-Team' and tell everyone that they are crazy. (General Macasland and Robert Weiss were the big boys not his public team)

a reply to: zetaReticulous

I think that is the very thing I'm getting at though - Tom Delonge HIMSELF makes the whole thing look crazy, or at least a bad scam, without even trying.

I assume his team knows who he is, and understand the consequences of him going on air with his laughable evidence and open display of ignorance. One would have to conclude that these men behind the curtain are pretty inept at their jobs, or indeed life. Especially if Steven Greer was a former hopeful of theirs.

Unless they WANT it to fail? Which again, serves no purpose that I can fathom.

So the paradox here is that supposed super smart guys are supporting something super dumb.

Tom DeLonge on Twitter

You better brace yourself, because there's a lot more coming. And I know it's hard to digest. Doesn't matter. It's coming.

How comes I think there is more here than most posters in this thread think possible? Am I just naive? Possibly. But I will give them 1 year before I make my final judgement. For me ANY disclosure of technology or unexplained phenomena is better than the zero-zilch-nothing we have had for ages.

originally posted by: SacredLore
Tom DeLonge on Twitter

You better brace yourself, because there's a lot more coming. And I know it's hard to digest. Doesn't matter. It's coming.

How comes I think there is more here than most posters in this thread think possible? Am I just naive? Possibly. But I will give them 1 year before I make my final judgement. For me ANY disclosure of technology or unexplained phenomena is better than the zero-zilch-nothing we have had for ages.

It will hinge on what they put on the community of interest website in the next couple of months. If it's new, supported by official documentation and of good quality a lot of goodwill will return. If it isn't those things he's sunk. He and his backers have one shot at this.

In one of Tom's Twitter posts referenced above, he basically refutes Joe Rogan by asking people to read the bios/credentials of his team members.

He does have a point. I can't see why they'd all risk their reputations if this was all BS. Tom did mention the day of or right after the TTSA announcement that they were planning on showing more evidence, but for whatever reason that fell through

So, in response to people's criticism of his Rogan appearance, rather than offer any explanation for (or even ACKNOWLEDGE) the obvious hoax videos that he offered Rogan as proof, he has chosen instead to double down on his appeal to authority.

If Tom and his team have been shooting for 'deluded narcissist frontman', then they've hit bullseye.

originally posted by: vlawde
In one of Tom's Twitter posts referenced above, he basically refutes Joe Rogan by asking people to read the bios/credentials of his team members.

He does have a point. I can't see why they'd all risk their reputations if this was all BS. Tom did mention the day of or right after the TTSA announcement that they were planning on showing more evidence, but for whatever reason that fell through

What gets me is that BLURRY ASS photo they showed from the Nimmitz incident. What the hell was that? Don't tell me they don't have crystal clear photo and video of whatever that was. All of the technology on one of our major vessels: no way is that the best photo they have.

So what the hell is that? Why hold up a picture of a blurry pixelated thing? Why?? I actually thought it was a joke for a minute.

a reply to: KansasGirl

If you mean the photo that was shown as Chris Mellon was describing the 2004 Nimitz 'event':




that's actually an over-saturated and contrasted photo from a Manchester, England sighting from 2005.


Which looks to me like a giant balloon or pool float twisting in the wind. According to the report it was moving with the wind direction.

Wait, what am I saying, it's a Sekret machine that Delonge is going to reveal, just HOLD ON A SEC!

a reply to: Iridomyrmex

So, did he say or imply that it was from the Nimmitz deal? If he's holding it up during describing the Nimmitz thing, what are we to infer, unless he said specifically it was NOT from the event he was talking about?

And so again, what the hell, and why? Delonge has been posting known hoax and CGI photos and videos. Then this guy shows us a blurry photo of a balloon from England while discussing the Nimmitz. We know these guys (and I mean TDL's advisors- I am definitely excluding Mr. Delonge in my following words) are not stupid. So, why?

a reply to: vlawde

They said the were building a COI site (community of interest) which will contain photos, videos from government sources.

I am wondering if what people expect from this venture is one thing (i.e. - some kind of hard evidence of ET because of Tom's mumblings for years on the topic).

While the proposed mission statement says something different to me :

To The Stars Academy strives to be a powerful vehicle for change by creating a consortium among science, aerospace and entertainment that will work collectively to allow gifted researchers the freedom to explore exotic science and technologies with the infrastructure and resources to rapidly transition them to products that can change the world

And hidden amongst much of the small print.

.....Our public purpose, as stated in our Articles of Incorporation, is to produce a positive effect for society by engaging in scientific and engineering research and development, producing literary, music, film and media content, and engaging in entertainment-related activities intended to promote knowledge, stimulate discussion, raise awareness, and generate funds to support research, strategic partnerships, ventures, technology, education, charitable and other activities.

So they are going to sell you something that isn't yet on the drawing board and much of it seems focused on 'entertainment'.

I guess this is what DeLonge meant when he said you have to read between the lines. In fact you just have to read the lines.