Tom DeLonge Anouncement: October 11th 9:00 AM PST/12:00 PM EST

originally posted by: beetee
They will be dead, and belly up, when somebody shows the video is provably faked. Then what?

This is exactly what I am wondering. What is there to gain here for the people in Tom DeLonge's team?
A simple fraud for money does not make any sense at all. Look at who these people are. If they would resort to criminal actions to make money they could probably think of something more clever.

BTW, aside from some random dudes screaming "CGI" on the Internet I have seen no actual proof that the video in question is a hoax (the one where the TR3B lights up in a ball of light in the end and then goes poof). Does anyone here have a link to a real analysis of the video?
Of course it LOOKS fake because it is something that cannot be and that we are not familiar with. But assume for a moment something like that exists. What about that video, in a technical sense, proves that it is CGI? CGI is so good these days that it can be impossible to decide whether a video is a hoax or not. There is now also the possiblity that we dismiss real videos as CGI, just because it would be possible...

Tom DeLonge implied that within months new and unique material will be made available. THAT will be decisive for me.

a reply to: mirageman

I am sure we are related if you go back far enough!

:-)

a reply to: SacredLore

You can’t be serious...* No matter the motive, product, or end result, that ‘TR3B’ video is, how shall I say it without screaming “FAKE” on the inter webs, the provenance of said video is circumspect at best. By no means, am I an expert on determining the provenance of any video circulating on the internet, but there are some extremely crafty individuals on these here boards who I’d defer to in an attempt to determine #ery**; IsaacKoi, in my humble opinion, is the foremost ufologist on ATS and he has concluded with a 99% probability (don’t quote me on that number in a criminal court of law, but if it’s Judge Judy I’ll let the preponderance of evidence testify to 99%) that TDL ‘TR3B’ is straight #ery (slip in a lil Joe Rogan Experience nomenclature). If you don’t subscribe to the ‘alien/ET’ school of thought concerning the infamous ‘TR3B’, take a scroll over into the aviation forum and dare speak that acrynoym — double your reward if you do so in the presence of Zaphod. Take home message: here at ATS, the experts (yes, in a criminal court of law Isaac and Zaph would pass as subject matter experts) from both schools of thought — the Ufology and the Aviation take regarding UAP — have roundly debunked the notion of the infamous ‘TR3B’. Whether TDL is playing ‘useful idiot’, who knows, but the idea that video isn’t straight #ery is damning to those of us who had hoped this (to the stars or whatever wares TDL seems to be peddling [again, it could be the case TDL is the useful idiot and there is some real substance to this venture, but it sure quacks like a duck]) was an earnest, possibly altruistic, attempt at open-sourcing earth-shattering, paradigm-shifting (insert your favorite idiom, or figure of speech, or cliche/metaphor/whatever) information to citizens of planet Earth. It’s been a disappointment. Underwhelming is putting it nicely.

I appreciate your efforts (you’ve authored a few threads and have been a good steward of them, which is hard to do with subject matter such as UAPs/ETs/suppressed knowledge), but I encourage to let go of the ‘TR3B’, it’s not worth your time or the egg —� that inevitably be thrown your way (probably already encountered such, however, my post is not that, but more of a rebuke of TDL and an expression of my overall disappointment) — on your face.

Following the ‘reveal’ from October 11th, I immediately expressed my reservations in this thread (they’re fairly informed takes, but I did take some creative license [in the name TDL’s art initiative] with some and are merely ‘jabs’ at the confirmation bias in the face of straight #ery) and those reservations have only been reinforced. To wit, the infamous ‘TR3B’ is being discussed as anything beyond a urban/internet legend/myth. It’s not real.

Why did TDL peddle this? That’s a serious and possibly the most important question regarding this initiative, to date. What purpose does it serve? To the more skeptical, it simply reinforces the idea we’re being hosed. To the more open-minded regarding intelligent, extraterrestrial life and past (and continuous) visitations to Earth it really muddies the water and produces indifference and apathy. That doesn’t seem like a winning (or shall I dare say, profitable?) strategy. So, what, in the name of faster-than-light travel, does peddling a ‘TR3B’ video serve? Please, someone with an informed, nuanced take on TDL’s ‘TR3B’ explain to us mouth-breathers “why”?

Again, thanks for the thread and keeping the discussion going, and in an almost perverse way, discussion of ‘TR3B’ has some merits.


*Maybe serious for the ‘wrong’ reasons and in doing so opened up a can of worms?
**After posting, I realized ATS script automatically edits “fu#kery” — first time I’ve ever used the term on ATS, but it’s a staple on JRE.

originally posted by: thepixelpusher
a reply to: dan121212

Not at all. I've had my own UFO experience and am aware of more than you know and probably DeLonge too.

Yeah, sure you are random guy on the internet. I give you about as much credibility as DeLonge.

a reply to: bgerbger

Nice to see you are trolling me on all the topics I post on. Maybe you'll learn something.

a reply to: thepixelpusher

Yeah, maybe I'll learn how to do 'real science' lol

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

has concluded with a 99% probability

Sooo, you're saying that there is a 1% chance that this is the real deal, yeah?

;-)

Sorry, couldn't resist..

Cheers,

BT

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

Thanks for your posting, and laughs for the #ery - had me wondering :-)

If you grant me that the opinion of a majority does not always have to be the truth, I will grant you that the TR3B video is fake and the TR3B is nothing but a legend, based on the evaluation of people who know much more about it than I do.

If we go from this assumption then Tom DeLonge really appears in a bad light. I have read the first Sekret Machines book and the foreword states that facts are presented, wrapped in fiction. This book describes the TR3B in fairly good detail, as US built machines with reverse engineered technology. Based at Dreamland if I remember right.

Tom DeLonge says that he was contacted after the publication of this book because it contained things he was not supposed to know.

If these were all lies then his project has nowhere to go, indeed.
But what just does not add up for me is why all these ex-government people are involved. Do you have an explanation for this?
Sooner or later it will become clear that they cannot deliver, neither proof of UFOs nor new technlogy. Is it just to discredit all the people involved? Some of them seem to be really smart, why would THEY fall for it?

Even if the other explanation is much crazier, it still seems more logical and simpler to me in this case: The US government finally wants to gradually introduce advanced technology into our civilization. Possibly they would like to openly intervene against North Korea's missiles with a TR3B?

It’s been a disappointment. Underwhelming is putting it nicely.

I agree. But they also said that this will evolve over years. If I understood Tom DeLonge right this is what he brings to the table: The gradual introduction of new viewpoints into society through media. I will give them more time. But within 1 year I except something really impressive to be presented. It does not have to turn the world on its head (probably the very thing they are trying to avoid), but it must be something that could not have come from any traditional source.

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

the 'TR-3B' does not exist. Some one heard Tier 3 maybe Tier 3b and transmuted it into TR-3B with a little story telling on the side. here is a neat collection of the different Tiers link


There are triangles of a few sizes out there, there was one in Amarillo texas here is a link for that link this however used jet engines

then there are the real black triangles, i have personally seen a smaller one and it did not look or act anything like that fake TDL video. again i didn't have time to video.

if the triangles interest you there is a few bread crumbs out there but as seen here there is TONS of crap



i think i saw a phantasm....ohhh wrong thread

a reply to: penroc3

TR-3B = Tier 3b ... this sounds like a good explanation!

But as you have seen a black triangle yourself, did it look anything like this here (daylight picture and video on the top)?

UFO over Virginia

This matches quite exactly what is described in Sekret Machines (first book).

Did you have the impression that the triangle you saw flew with conventional technology or was there anything special about it?

a reply to: SacredLore

Tom DeLonoge on Instagram (October 30th, 2017:

I wonder when I see people commenting that our attempt to build a machine that “bends time and space” is “crazy” and “not possible.” Here is one of the many Peer Reviewed articles on (TTS Co-Founder) Dr Hal Puthoff’s Space Time Metric Theory. Yes, it’s REAL, and TTS has already 34 Scientific Studies under our belt to use as a foundation for the upcoming engineering. In partnership with US Gov and Major Aerospace Companies, we aim to bring in all the resources needed, and we are well on our way now.

Quote from document (PDF here):
However his idea of a spacetime metric enigneering able to distort the spacetime geometry "allowing" superluminal interstellar spaceflight is perfectly possible.

Anybody familiar with warp drives who wants to comment on that PDF?
Scotty? Spock? Where are you guys when we need you?!

a reply to: SacredLore




it was about the size of a F-15 and was totally silent. and when it flew away it went flat end first as opposed to pointed end first.

and if im being honest the lights were mesmerizing, they weren't light fixtures but in the night sky the corners themselves were the source of the blue scintillating light

a reply to: penroc3

Thank you very much, extremely interesting!

a reply to: penroc3

Yeah, I have very little doubt that legit, flying black triangles exist, but the video presented and endorsed by TDL would have one believe that they’re alien and/or the product of reverse engineering intergalactic — from the stars — technology. It’s not absurd. It’s possible. But the video in question doesn’t pass the ATS test and surely, TDL knew it was of questionable provenance, right? I mean, I was able to do some due diligence and conclude that video was fu#kery. That’s the rub, how does TDL not know that? Again, as I originally asked, “why”? There has to be something beyond just looking a doofus by running with some fu#kery...I suspect TDL knows it...so why? What purpose does peddling this video serve?

I can only hope I get an answer.

Happy Halloween!

a reply to: SacredLore

yep, the real deal is out there, but unfortunately nothing like iv seen on the net other than the illinois case in the 90's shiloh Illinois i believe. police chased a large black silent triangle and a few good documentaries were made on that case

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

ohh the TDL video is laughable its so CGI its not even funny.

as far as his motive, i think Tom isn't a dummy by any means. But i think people can get extreme cases of confirmation bias that can blind even the best. add in his government sources telling him god knows what he is ready to believe anything.

he is doing UFOlogy a dis service that's for sure.

at this point even if he had real solid evidence no one would give him the time of day, and maybe THAT is the point a soft disclosure that only the people really interested in UFO's or fringe aviation will recognize. and the rest will dismiss as BS. And later in time the government can be like we told you but you didnt believe.


i guess what im trying to say Tom is playing the role of a useful idiot

originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: BeefNoMeat
And later in time the government can be like we told you but you didnt believe.

THIS would make sense, good theory!

a reply to: penroc3

There is still no logic as to why the government would want to merely clue in a few people who will hopefully recognize what they already assume to be true, all while making the 'experts' in this field like like morons to the general public.

The general public already views UFO believers/contactees with suspicion and ridicule, and there are FAR more efficient ways to get the message to specific people who can understand it.

What is to understand when all involved, including supposed former defence bigwigs, look like egg-faced morons?
And the government has never officially backed this, so they CAN'T ever say "we told you". If they did it would look as shady and underhanded as much as if they'd said nothing.

I'm seeing people constructing complex epicycles to explain what most probably is the hard truth here: yet ANOTHER scam preying on the UFO community's desire to believe. Scam, scam, scam, scam, oh wait what's this!?

SCAM.

Thank god for the Joe Rogan interview, or I would still be wondering if Tom really had a clue.

a reply to: Iridomyrmex

ohhh dont get me wrong it is a money grab for sure.

i was being optimistic.

have you heard of the Aviary UFO people, if you youtube that this whole scenario has played out before in the 80's and nothing came of it then as nothing will come of this now.


i do however think that the CIA/DIA/NSA/AFOSI STILL uses UFO's as a convenient cover for advanced projects.

Tom D. is a total write off, but i still wonder why those other people would attach their names to this hot mess.

originally posted by: Iridomyrmex
a reply to: penroc3

There is still no logic as to why the government would want to merely clue in a few people who will hopefully recognize what they already assume to be true, all while making the 'experts' in this field like like morons to the general public.

The general public already views UFO believers/contactees with suspicion and ridicule, and there are FAR more efficient ways to get the message to specific people who can understand it.

What is to understand when all involved, including supposed former defence bigwigs, look like egg-faced morons?
And the government has never officially backed this, so they CAN'T ever say "we told you". If they did it would look as shady and underhanded as much as if they'd said nothing.

I'm seeing people constructing complex epicycles to explain what most probably is the hard truth here: yet ANOTHER scam preying on the UFO community's desire to believe. Scam, scam, scam, scam, oh wait what's this!?

SCAM.

Thank god for the Joe Rogan interview, or I would still be wondering if Tom really had a clue.

I don't believe the people he has involved in this would bother themselves with this if there was nothing more to it than some small scale scamming of Tom Delongs fans. People are looking for a deeper reason as SCAM doesn't ring true. There's another game being played here, it's just not clear what it is.