NFL Owners to Discuss Policy on Standing for Anthem-Who could have guessed?

a reply to: network dude

Ah, the king of hyperbole.

Ok.

We want them to stand tall or be executed. Firing squad, or guillotine, players choice.

Are you trying to take my crown?

We just want entertainment without the #ing drama. Does that sound like an unfair request?

They just want to protest police brutality and unequal sentencing against black folks.
Does that sound like an unfair request.

a reply to: tribal

What if the government coerces that company into taking action? Trump just tweeted that the NFL should lose their tax exempt status if the protests continue. Let's ignore the fact that the NFL gave up their tax exempt status two years ago. If Trump's threat actually had any teeth and the NFL chose to change policy because of it, wouldn't that be an attack of the First Amendment?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Trump just tweeted that the NFL should lose their tax exempt status if the protests continue.

Isn't that what corporationphobes wanted to begin with ?

Them evil corps to pay their fair share ?

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
LOL, the funniest part about this is if they do make a change, Trump will strut around like an orange rooster.

Probably.

But whatever. The players in the NFL spike the football all the time when they score.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408


They just want to protest police brutality and unequal sentencing against black folks.
Does that sound like an unfair request.

nope not at all. In fact, I am all for their plight and would be happy to help them in any way I could. IF, they were to do that # on their own time. If I choose to watch mindless sports, I don't want political opinions thrown in, I just want what the damn TV Guide said was on. If it said, NFL Football, with some political asshats grandstanding and appearing to disrespect the country, then at least I'd have been warned.

Why don't they spend a few of their dollars to put some TV advertisements up? Billboards? Maybe grass roots type town hall talks. Just stay the # out of my entertainment time. Again, is that an unfair request?

a reply to: Hazardous1408

The 1st restricts the government.

Not the NFL.

The employer-employee relationship dictates what the employee can say while punched in. Simple as that.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

so long as the expression of speech is not hindering the ability to carry out their job in the expected manner ie. not cursing at customers, it should not matter.

They are basically cursing at the customers how do you not get that?

originally posted by: eNumbra
Or we could just take the NFL back to keeping the players off the field for the anthem. The way it used to be before the government stepped in and began politicizing football.

But hey, anything to detract from the real problem of lasting brain injury.

Amazing you can recall back that far. The National Anthem has been played as part of sporting events since the mid 1800s.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: MysticPearl
I guess now we see how much these SJW's really care about standing, or kneeling, for their cause.

Lol.

I find this really investing.

So lets say the NFL does this, they say if a player kneels they face a 3 match ban and if they consistently offend they will face some other punishment.

You are really starting to infringe upon their first amendment rights to freedom of speech, you are saying "give up your cause or we ban you and your whole team suffers, your fans suffer ect".

If this was infringing upon second amendment rights people would be taking a very different view on this.

Its like I say quite a lot these days, the first amendment only applies to people who agree with you.

First amendment rights don't apply in the work place.

My employer can fire me for a whole bunch of stuff currently protected under the constitution. Why would the NFL be any different?

I think the whole anthem protest has run its course anyway, and the intended message has been lost.

This is what happens when you bang your (football !!!) audience over the head with an uncoordinated, misguided message.

I get that the NFL audience is massive and they wanted maximum exposure, but the message is now lost, and it only looks like they hate the flag...not police brutality/excessive force (with no justice/convictions) against the black community.

The players are in over their head anyway. If they weren't you'd have 80% of players in front of cameras explaining their requests/demands, but they are simply ill-equipped to eloquently express their ideas and reasoning. Therefore they just kneel or raise a fist, without words.

Which in the end, boils down to poor communication and strategy.

And now we find ourselves here...BLAMING TRUMP!

How convenient!

a reply to: seasonal

It's adorable how nature takes care of it's own, isn't it?

There are legal exceptions for both employer and employee for political speech. I'm not sure how legal it is to force someone to engage in political speech or to stop someone from doing so.

ETA: Though if the NFL is hinting at forcing political speech I imagine they've already cleared it with their legal teams. Personally, since there doesn't seem to be precedent... I would take it to court. The NFL's under contract with the DoD and I wonder if that could translate to the government compulsion to engage in political activity or a violation of the 1st Amendment.

I find it astonishing how quickly so many Trump supporters here are ready to abandon their First Amendment rights of freedom of speech and protest.

Y'all don't have much respect for the Nation you keep claiming to respect so much, do you.

originally posted by: Painterz
I find it astonishing how quickly so many Trump supporters here are ready to abandon their First Amendment rights of freedom of speech and protest.

Y'all don't have much respect for the Nation you keep claiming to respect so much, do you.

Give it a rest.........protest all you want on your free time, not while you are the paid entertainment.

originally posted by: Painterz
I find it astonishing how quickly so many Trump supporters here are ready to abandon their First Amendment rights of freedom of speech and protest.

Y'all don't have much respect for the Nation you keep claiming to respect so much, do you.

Explain how this does anything against the 1st amendment? Remember, this is while they are at work.

a reply to: tribal

please answer this

does should and must mean the same thing?

cause it is stated the players 'should' stand

i also keep hearing people say they are there to play football.
kneeling for a couple minutes has nothing to do with them actually playing

their job is to play. they play

it is stated they stand. it is not stated they must stand

i would be interested t see how this plays out in their contracts

i would imagine the contracts are pretty hefty with specifics.
since it says should stand i doubt any of them signed a contract stating they must stand

i say it goes back to how it was before 09 when they league got paid to have the players stand for the anthem.
it wasnt a big deal before but when there was money to be made now we should do this

originally posted by: neo96
NFL players are corporate employees that sign a contract, and in that contract there are behavior clauses.

.

youre talking like youve read the contracts

since you have read at least 1 does it say in their behavior clause that they can be fined for not doing something they 'should' do?

i agree with whoever made the forced nationalism comment

stand or else

gotta love that

Who could have guessed ? Dang NFL Commissioner , trying to uphold THEIR OWN rules . Shame on him....
End Sarc and mini-rant.

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: eNumbra
Or we could just take the NFL back to keeping the players off the field for the anthem. The way it used to be before the government stepped in and began politicizing football.

But hey, anything to detract from the real problem of lasting brain injury.

Amazing you can recall back that far. The National Anthem has been played as part of sporting events since the mid 1800s.

Amazing you have absolutely zero knowledge of your own history.

Well not amazing, unsurprising really.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

That's nonsense. It's the same as if your employer says you'll be suspended from work for swearing in front of customers and your company has a three strikes policy.

You still have freedom of speech. You just have to choose between saying whatever you damn well please and bringing home a paycheck.

They can't afford an employee that alienates certain customers. You aren't entitled to the job. It's a mutual agreement that can be broken at any time.