NFL Owners to Discuss Policy on Standing for Anthem-Who could have guessed?

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin


When you are working you do not have freedom of speech. How would people like to be preached too by a McDonalds employee while trying to buy a sandwich? There are things you do not say nor do while you are on the clock working for someone.

Unless you are a slave then yes you still have freedom of speech when working.

It depends a lot on how you use it and how you work with in the existing frame work of the companies policies but taking a knee during a national anthem does not infringe upon any of that. As it stands there is nothing contractually wrong with the NFL players taking a knee, turning round and changing that because it upsets some people is in my view infringing on their freedom of speech.

The players are employees of the team, the team is part of the NFL, the NFL has a policy stating that the players should stand for the national anthem. In any organization I have worked for not following a policy is met with discipline.

The players and staff are representing the team and at a game are "on the clock" and should follow the NFL and team policies. It is probably stated in their contracts.

If a player or staff member wishes to protest or open a dialog on their "off duty" time that is their right.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin


If the consumer who buys that product decides to walk away and not do business with that company for it's employees behavior that as well is freedom of speech!

On September 25th, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell was PROUD of the protesting players!
Source: www.si.com...

This morning Roger Goodell is NOT PROUD of the protesting players..
Source: www.washingtonpost.com... ?utm_term=.ff67f27207dc

WHICH ONE IS THE LIE/TRUTH???

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

please answer yes or no.

does company policy dictating on the job behavior of the employee infringe upon their rights if the employee submits to company policy willingly?

NFL players are corporate employees that sign a contract, and in that contract there are behavior clauses.

Which means forfeiture of rights in lieu of a big fat paycheck guaranteed for any given number of years.

So good bad or indifferent.

NFL owners are GOD and their words are LAW.

If they don't like it ?

Tough luck.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

do you have freedom of speech at a job which requires workers to be silent for relevant reasons?

please explain your reasoning.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Take a sign into work tomorrow complaining about all of this and tell us how that works out for you.

Pics or it never happened.

a reply to: rhodesj2314

...must stand...

Should!

Not must.



I must say it’s interesting that all the freedom loving red blooded patriots want forced nationalism.

a reply to: GuidedKill

What's ESPN?? I've never heard of that, is it some sort of psychic ability?

Only JoJo knows

a reply to: tribal

does company policy dictating on the job behavior of the employee infringe upon their rights if the employee submits to company policy willingly?

No.

However forcing a change of policy against the wishes of said employee's because the company is unhappy with how employees are expressing their political views as public figures and role models, that to me infringes upon freedom of speech.

What does it say about the rights to protest when you start shutting people down because you don't like it, its a peaceful protest they kneel for a few minutes before the game.

So long as the expression of speech does not impact on their ability to do their job (play with a ball) then it should not matter, its the same in all jobs, so long as the expression of speech is not hindering the ability to carry out their job in the expected manner ie. not cursing at customers, it should not matter.

Now sure I can understand and agree with how it can cause offence, but if you say that players can't kneel in protest they will just do something else to make the point. For example the Romanian football team in 1998 all believed dying their hair blonde would bring them luck and it caused chaos for the commentators. What if the NFL do this then in protest, the NFL players all club together and say in protest of that decision we are going to do something annoying like this for the next few games.

I think this wrong, I think if someone wants to kneel during a football game, let them, I might disagree with it, I might disagree with why they are doing it. However I also think its important that a individuals right to protest and freedom of expression is protected.

I hope the players realize they have all the power. Will Dallas forfeit a game if all their players decide to kneel in solidarity? Will the NFL fine/suspend the majority of the league? I don't think so.

We already saw what happened when Trump requested the NFL take measures like the ones that are now being considered. I would hope a similar response will occur of those measures are actually implemented.

How many players will stand for the anthem, with their backs turned?

There are a few ways they can play this and still follow policy.

I'm sure many teams are having all-player meetings right now or with the NFLPA (Player's Association) to discuss next steps.

BTW, the NBA doesn't allow players to kneel. It is very clear, unlike the NFL wording of "should".

a reply to: Hazardous1408

I must say it’s interesting that all the freedom loving red blooded patriots want forced nationalism.

From the owners down to the coach.

It's a dictatorship.

And the money that pays for it all comes from ticket sales, and merchandising.

They can play politics all they want, but with no money coming in to pay the outlays.

Everyone is out of a job, and their homes.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

im not sure any company is required to explain their reasoning for changes to behavior related policy. A company exists to make money....first and foremost. Anything an employee does that the company perceives could negatively affect profit and customer relations is in the interest of the company to change for no other reason than economics.

i still cant see a private company changing any policy it likes for reasons of profitability and customer relations could be construed as infringing someones "rights". I'm pretty sure when you sign a contract or become an employee of your own free will you CHOOSE to forego some of your "rights" to get something YOU WANT from the company. And the clincher is its all voluntary.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin


When you are working you do not have freedom of speech. How would people like to be preached too by a McDonalds employee while trying to buy a sandwich? There are things you do not say nor do while you are on the clock working for someone.

Unless you are a slave then yes you still have freedom of speech when working.

It depends a lot on how you use it and how you work with in the existing frame work of the companies policies but taking a knee during a national anthem does not infringe upon any of that. As it stands there is nothing contractually wrong with the NFL players taking a knee, turning round and changing that because it upsets some people is in my view infringing on their freedom of speech.

no, they are employees. They will do what they are told to do by their EMPLOYERS. And their freedom you seem to think they have can be used to quit, or to be fired, but not to disobey the management. Believe it or not, employers have a few rights too.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
The NFL has had the power but hasn't bothered to use it.

Have you noticed the NBA teams don't kneel?

The league commissioner over there issued a directive that they wouldn't. That if they wanted to address the police brutality issue it was fine, but it would be done in another manner either pre or post anthem than to appear to be disrespecting the flag.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: rhodesj2314

...must stand...

Should!

Not must.



I must say it’s interesting that all the freedom loving red blooded patriots want forced nationalism.

Ah, the king of hyperbole. We want them to stand tall or be executed. Firing squad, or guillotine, players choice. (see they have rights too)

We just want entertainment without the #ing drama. Does that sound like an unfair request?

a reply to: network dude

We just want entertainment without the #ing drama. Does that sound like an unfair request?

Everything from sports to film and television has been infested with political hackery.

I don't think it's too much to ask.

It's causing millions of people to tune out completely.

LOL, the funniest part about this is if they do make a change, Trump will strut around like an orange rooster.