Interesting new Vegas shooting detail emerges from Sheriff

originally posted by: Aeshma
a reply to: olaru12

You just totally discredited this entire event by insinuating sandy hook was not as it was. Im actually incredibly insulted and disgusted by your comment.

Maybe go be insulted and disgusted somewhere else, or with the people toying with the American Public.

originally posted by: hartbeat
a reply to: Mandroid7

Hi ATS, haven't posted in forever, good to be here.

Anyways, in that video, around the 1:45 mark, watch, as the 2 ladies are crouched behind the vehicle, the lady on the left is smiling....continuing to smile almost laughing it seems, then gets up and just jogs off.....if i was somewhere that was being shot up last thing would be to smile or laugh. Not saying it didn't happen, just found her expression and reaction bizarre.....

She was most likely drunk and/or on drugs would be my guess

originally posted by: djz3ro
...looks like crap and smells like crap, he'll it's even starting to taste like crap...

Good thing you didn't step in it (ode to Cheech and Chong).

If they keep pulling stunts like this it's going to be so obviosly a false flag that the story is going to unravel before our very eyes. Maybe "they've" been creating so many false flags they're becoming complacent?

From I read and how details conflict, I wonder if "they" are getting confused with so many different facts being released and not getting their stories aligned. Then, there's the media who will take a few words and make a story out of it leaving us to try and put the pieces together. We know that usually ends with a conspiracy theory or two. It won't be long before this goes quiet and we'll never get the truth.

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: TheOnlyBilko
After shooting into the hallway, Paddock would be expecting the Police to show up at literally any minute. So why did he wait the 6 minutes before starting to shoot from the windows?

Bleeding out maybe? 6 minutes is indeed a long time in all this, even if the gunman shot and killed Jesus, 6 minutes is still a long time to go undetected after firing 200 rounds in a busy hotel.

Perhaps Jesus was a complication and, after being discovered by him, they had to change their plan and that 6 minutes was the planning phase?

Or maybe, if it was Paddock simply having snapped, he was having a change of heart and trying to psyche himself up?

The sad fact is, we'll never know.

I wonder if phorensics can tell if he was crying as he shot his victims...

Bleeding out? Who?

Security guard uniform..

Hmmm..

I bet the camera tapes in the hotel will be like the cameras looking at the pentagon on 9/11.. Only "FIB" gets to see.

You know if it's one thing I actually truly hate in this world it's liars.

Thing is reactors are always playing second to actors. Really hard to win that way.

a reply to: [post=22752048]trollz[

Here's a question-how did the dozens of employees of the hotel not hear the 200 rounds being fired but somehow those who were at a concert nearly half a mile away heard it and recorded it?

I must be in the ocean because it sounds fishy to me. But as the old saying goes what happens in Vegas...

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Not all of them were. Yes I know he did have 100rnd mags...but really...he dumped 2 of them into the hall...like he dumped 100rnds blind into the hall...then dumped 100 more?? Like sure I can see letting loose one 100rnd mag sure...but to reload and dump the second...then go to the window and let lose for another few min and hundreds of rounds. Doesn't sound like a very smart plan by someone who was so thought out.

And he supposedly had cameras set up to watch the hall.

Which makes it seem more weird to shoot that many at 1 unarmed guy and miss killing him.

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: Sabz228

originally posted by: Mandroid7
This whole story is off.
This video is floating around now. it shows the singer giving a que, and people running from the gunfire prematurely.
Psyops were legalized by Obama, so good luck prosecuting.

That video is edited and faked...
here is the original

Reply to:sabz228
what is edited?
looks the same in both videos
Same comment was on 4chan claiming it's fake

GO to 3:30 and watch the crowd pile out before shooting starts

I think I hear what sounds like a few non-auto gunshots at the ending of the song, then the band's quiet, then the last song starts and people start charging, then a burst of auto gunfire. Does anyone else notice that? Also, since I first saw it on the news, and on this video, the sound of the shots varies like it sounds like multiple guns (there are some slightly muffled sounding shots and every now and then the shots sound cleaner and louder), does anyone have a theory about this?

a reply to: 1.618

One difference you are hearing is the different windows. Depending on which window he is shooting out of it will have a different sound. Also there are different types of weapons. He could have picked a different weapon every time he started shooting. I do hear the single shots the beginning that you were speaking of. And there is now also a video circulating of people at a bus stop and at the end of all the rallies of shooting you can hear two single gun shots I think are the shooter's gun shots killing himself or him being killed.

Question - in the UK people launder money by talking cash to a casino, changing it into chips then changing it back and requesting a receipt/written verification. Gambling money is tax free in the UK and there is no trail as to where the £thousands came from.

In Vegas can this be done? Can someone take money from a dodgey deal, change it into chips and come back an hour later and get it back in cash??

I am confused why it is being said the security guard story was changed to before the shooting started. I watched the press briefing in this thread. He stumbles on the reporters two part question. First misspeaks saying the 'suspect' but quickly corrects with 'security guard'. Then in response to the 2nd part of the question, he says, 'yes, he was shot...er ah...after the shooting had started'.

Where is everyone getting that they are saying he was shot before any shooting began? Please help me understand?

Edit add: Nevermind...I see it being reported via media that their actual timeline moved him up to getting shot at 9:59pm. So now, I really find it odd that he responded what he did up above? Hmmm...

a reply to: trollz

Looks like the official story is starting to fall apart.

Makes me wonder just how involved in this event local law enforcement was. Who was calling the shots? The FBI? Was there a stand down order or a go-slow order to maximize casualties?

This thing stinks to high heaven.

Actually, the more I think about it, this whole society stinks to high heaven.

a reply to: trollz

So now we have another angle which doesn't make much sense.

Would you fire 200 rounds at one guy? It only takes one bullet to kill a man.

I wanna know how paddock (If it was him) put surveillance up outside his room without the security cams picking it up. I'm guessing the cams on that floor weren't working

There was definitely more than one shooter in the mandalay and also one out by the concert, that makes three shooters, what's the bet the security guard was involved, shot paddock, then himself and wait for the police to arrive m.youtube.com...

The tape is from the outside of the hallway obviously. How could you tape the inside then proceed to exit the door.

a reply to: trollz

I don't understand, how cops will show up in minutes over a disorderly or domestic violence call, yet one can supposedly rip off 1000 rifle rounds for that long..

Now this is a good point you made. If his cameras weren't working on the cart outside the door and Campos was investigating a different room than Paddock was in, then how in the hell did he know he was there? And even if he did somehow know he was there, why would he start shooting and give away his position? Odd

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: carewemust

So in that article it says the guard began approaching then was shot by some of the well over 200 rounds he fired into the hall. So now its well over 200...and he began approaching sounds like he got shot before he made it to the door.

Well...tucked into the end of the article it says he did have cameras set up to watch the hall...but they say he wasn't using them at the time of the shooting, so how the f*#% did the shooter know someone was approaching and why/how could he have hit him but not killed him with well over 200 rounds if he knew where the guy was somehow.

Also the cops were checking the 31st floor but they had a door ajar alarm on the 32nd floor...so they let the security guard head past to move into an unsecure area while they knew there was a shooter...so he could check a door ajar alarm??? Does that seem remotely like cop crime scene security SOP??? Let some security guard go check it out while they cleared the 31st???

I call bollox on that article or whoever is telling them them that crap!

a reply to: trollz

It looks like the story is coming together. New details of what happened are emerging.

Stories like this one with hundreds of witnesses will continue to evolve as new information is discovered.
It's not extraordinary in any way.

originally posted by: and14263
Question - in the UK people launder money by talking cash to a casino, changing it into chips then changing it back and requesting a receipt/written verification. Gambling money is tax free in the UK and there is no trail as to where the £thousands came from.

In Vegas can this be done? Can someone take money from a dodgey deal, change it into chips and come back an hour later and get it back in cash??

I don't pretend to know much about shady financial dealings (I'd be like the guys in the Office Space movie, looking up "money laundering" in the dictionary ), but I've been suspecting something like this for a while now.

One of the leading theories is that this guy was an illegal gun dealer. He also supposedly made a lot of money gambling. The thing is: casinos are not in the business of giving out free money. The odds are always in the house's favor, and regular gamblers end up losing money, not gaining it. Almost certainly, his "gambling winnings" were money he was laundering from his illegal gun sales.

About Jesus Campos... it's definitely looking like he might be more than just some random security guard. We should start looking into his background. It's been reported that he's a DACA "Dreamer." Does he have any connections to MS13, or any other such outfits? They'd be a prime customer for Paddock's guns.

originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: trollz

This is odd because there was nothing reported on the radio scanners about it. I wouldn't be surprised if he reported it to his security boss and they kept it in-house not realizing the full extent about what was to go on.

This is entirely possible. The management would want to keep the police with sirens and lights away from the resort if at all possible and these security teams aren't your average rent a cop from the local mall so they might try initially to handle the situation in house.
It sounds crazy but they probably thought they could get to him and have him quietly taken away not knowing his diabolical plans until it was too late.