BOMBSHELL: Health Ranger id's distance of 2nd shooter at LV massacre and it’s NOT the MB hotel

a reply to: dasman888

Exactly, If there is more than 1 shooter the OS is a total fabrication.
It doesn't matter if it was 2 or 12, fact is that it was a conspiracy by multiple individuals and probably not possible without extensive inside help.
I don't believe for a second you can bust out the windows on the Mandalay bay with a hammer, and if by chance you did it certainly would not break in to large shards like regular glass but remain intact like a busted windshield does when broken. It's safety glass - look at the pictures! Total nonsense.

originally posted by: dasman888
HOWEVER... the first burst of gunfire in the Taxi Driver video is CLOSE... like it's right by the driver. There's some echo... and then a long pause of quiet... followed after a time by a distant burst of gunfire that is NOT an echo... and is CLEARLY not in the same location as the opening burst.

The firing positions were at different angles. If the taxi was in line with the first position then the sound would be directed towards it (thereby sounding louder). If the shooter then moved to the other position the sound would now be directed somewhere else (thereby sounding quieter and more distant).

Not saying this is what happened, but I would say it is as realistic an explanation as any other.

I can't find the exact video I watched, but there were some witnesses that said they started running away from the music venue via the backside, away from the shooter. That would have put the stage and other buildings between them and the shooter above. They then stated people were being shot from the direction they were running. That would indicate there was someone on the ground waiting for them. People being herded into an ambush? Sounds like it.

The taxi driver video pretty clearly shows there was more than one shooter. The second round of shots was too loud and too close to the driver's location compared to the previous one.

originally posted by: caterpillage
a reply to: Phage

I've seen It, and it looks pretty expensive.
It's got gold plated door knobs and cashmere rugs.
Real silk curtains to I believe. Quite pricey.

Don't forget the platinum bunsen burners and the Cartier petri dishes.

a reply to: Granite


Makes sense, since sound travels through NATURE to reach our ears.

a reply to: caterpillage

Out of curiosity what do you know about labs?

Sorry if this has been stated before. It doesn’t matter how expensive the lab. If the analysis doesn’t use a 3D model of the area, take in account the complete weather conditions (I.e. air density, humidity) and the angle of each shot to determine how the echoes would react during the shooting, any analysis is meaningless.

The analysis might have some credibility if the individual could synchronize two videos, determine the exact distance of each sound recording from the shooter, then try to mimic a pair of human ears to determine the direction of sound. Again, if you don’t have some form of 3D modeling, the analysis is pretty meaningless.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

You do know bullets fragment when hitting solid objects. Bullets and shrapnel ricochet and change direction of travel.

a reply to: Rikku

you're correct, huh!!!

he.....he fertile mind, you must be young still......thanks for keeping us seniors in good input....

I work better with more input.........no chemical analysis on sound

originally posted by: 727Sky
It will be interesting to see what he comes up with... There are many people claiming there was more than one shooter to include one of the survivors who insist he was shot from a different location.
thenewyorknewsday.com...

One of the victims of the Las Vegas shooting has blown the whistle to reveal that he was shot by multiple gunmen during the massacre.Rocky Palermo was shot by a gunman in the crowd during Sunday night’s mass shooting and says he has the evidence to prove it.He says there were between 3-5 active shooters firing weapons into the crowd and says there was gunfire coming from the ground as well as from above.Palermo was rushed to hospital after taking a .223 round to the pelvis and still has 30-40 pieces of bullet shrapnel still inside his body.Doctors told him the bullet was inches from paralyzing or even killing him.Mr. Palmero confirmed that his injury was caused by an attacker on the ground and that the bullet was fired at him with a horizontal trajectory and wasn’t fired down from above, although weapons were being fired from “all angles”.Oddly, Rocky says he has been trying to contact the FBI to give them his eyewitness account of what happened on that night, but his requests have been ignored by agents investigating the case.

Blast reports: Palermo — an avid hunter familiar with guns and ballistics — says the different trajectories of gunfire was extremely evident, even in the midst of chaos

Just one of many stories and videos saying there were more than one shooter.. I do not know for I was not there (damn glad too).
www.rense.com...

Having been the News Director and Anchorman at the ABC TV station in Las Vegas for nearly 3 years, I got to know a lot of key people in the city and the gaming industry. I have pretty good idea of how the city works and how it thinks and how it protects 'business' at all costs.

The word I am getting from highly-placed sources now is that every major Strip hotel already has hidden 'backscatter' type X-Ray scanners hidden behind the decor at the main hotel entrances. Personnel watching monitors constantly can see the change in a man's pocket of lipstick in a woman's purse as they enter and leave the hotels of Las Vegas. This was a big secret until one of the major hotel owners let the cat out of the bag a year or two ago. Even most employee entrances and exits are scanned and monitored. Security is VERY tight.

One thing I did hear was there are over 100 Muslims working for the hotel.. That along with ISIS making claims ... maybe nothing or maybe this goes deeper than a lone gunman.. Again I do not know I am just reading and listening and considering.

Are you kinda saying that maybe issis staged a complicated high level Psy-Op with a primary goal of expediting gun control and the disarmament of the American People....they do it as a group then use the present dead suspect as a Patsy......to possibly later claim credit after the push for gun control has its poison pill impacts.

a reply to: neutronflux

You could easily prove distance from recordings. Sounds travels at or very close to a constant speed. Sure temperature and humidity can effect it some but not enough to put the shooter far enough away from where they say he was. I do think you would have to use as many videos as possible and also the raw audio files...not ripped from YouTube. It really isn't too terribly hard to analyze audio to determine distance to source though.

I have a B.S. in live production with a minor is audio engineering...just so we are clear on my credentials to say such a thing.

a reply to: RickyD

yep, common sense and experience carry some credentials.....

dang echos....I would not have stayed in the pavement......I'd have been dancin to the equipment or trucks....

Here it is right now:

a reply to: RickyD

If you don’t have a 3D model, are not able to account for echoes and direction of each shot using the 3D model, and don’t have two separate recordings at know distances from the shooting, the data is meaningless.

Something as simple as a sound wave encountering different air densities can cause an echo on an audio recording that makes it impossible to determine shot or echo.

How do you determine originating shot vs echo to determine distance by time?

If you cannot separate originating shots from echoes, label the echoes, use the data as a base line to determine if the shots came from a different location, then analysis is useless. Sorry.

I'm watching the vid....he has a 629 S and W on his hip....naw....it's just mic box

oh hail....he is coming off just a little green....or light.....

i like the presentation details sure.......but he is rooky at communication

originally posted by: Phage
Natural News?
No. Sorry. Just no.

Your opinion? Not important. Sorry. Just not important.

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Granite

The only reason this might interest me is that I can see in many of the videos of the shooting that people in the back of the venue are almost uniformly looking at another building (not the Mandalay Bay hotel) and running away.

ETA: Still, I expect more disinfo or misinfo.

Eyewitness reports and perception are not terribly reliable.

They shouldn't be dismissed outright either.

Geez.

originally posted by: dasman888
Now... on it's face, that doesn't mean 2 shooters. It could mean same shooter, moving from one area of the hotel to the other. But, here's the thing... the door to Paddocks room was screwed shut to prevent outside access. Course, SWAT breached the wall next to the door when they blew it open, because it's so much softer of an access than the door and door frame.

The two rooms were adjoining with an interior door he could access so he could barricade the entrance /hallway door and still move room to room. At least that Is what i have been reading, and it seems to make sense.