Jerry Jones: Cowboys will bench any player who 'disrespects' flag

Right. And if Zeke and/or Dak took a knee they would be benched? Yeah, I buy that.

It's so sad that so many Conservatives would rather our flag and anthem represent obedience rather than liberty. When players decide to sue Jerry Jones it probably won't go well for Jones. There are exceptions to what employers can enforce, political and religious speech/events are among them... I believe.

Where's Al Davis when you need him?

originally posted by: odzeandennz

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: ZombieZygote

originally posted by: Metallicus
We finally have an NFL owner who 'gets it' regarding the flag protests. The NFL can fine players for wearing the wrong clothes, celebrating on the field and even hitting someone wrong, but apparently they lack the balls to force players to stand for the Anthem. As employers the NFL has the absolute right to require certain behavior of employees that affects their public facing product.

I know some people say they aren't disrespecting the flag, but they ARE. Regardless of WHY they think they are doing it they ARE doing it and pissing off a lot of people in the process.

Anyway, it is good to see at least one owner has had enough of their childish behavior. If it isn't about disrespecting the flag then why not kneel during the two minute warning or some other time during the game?

Exactly, it IS about disrespecting the flag and the men and women who fought for the U.S.

ARLINGTON, Texas -- Dallas Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones said emphatically his players will stand for the national anthem and not disrespect the flag, and if they do, then the player or players will not play.

"If there's anything that is disrespectful to the flag, then we will not play," Jones said after the Cowboys' 35-31 loss to the Green Bay Packers. "Understand? We will not ... if we are disrespecting the flag, then we will not play. Period."

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I typically agree with you, but even if they were intending to "disrespect the flag and what it stands for", which they have repeatedly explained otherwise, the flag stands for the right to display this exact behavior. Whether you agree with it or not. They are hurting nothing but perhaps feelings. Oh well.

It is irrelevant what they intended since they actually are perceived to be disrespecting the Anthem, the Flag and the military. What they should do is apologize for their screw up and say we will promote our cause in an inclusive way that won't affect our employer's public facing product.

They screwed up and people are boycotting and their message is completely lost because they are pissing off half the country. Perception IS reality here and they need to find a better way to bring attention to their agenda.

in what fhucking court of law in this country where you are guilty of perception...

so it doesn't matter what they're doing, what matters is what other people think about it?

what tosser would agree to that system

Court of public opinion, mother trucker. It's a bitch none of us agreed to, but we are all subject to it. Rich or poor. Which is why the smart rich people stay private if they are able and don't stick your neck on the choopping block which is the court of public opinion over some nonsense. You better make sure its worth it. I know these players are so passionate about their cause they wont mind if they get fired. Fined. Arrested. Anything. Because, you see, thats how bad things are in this country (lol) These guys are total champions they will find another job easy.

originally posted by: Kali74
It's so sad that so many Conservatives would rather our flag and anthem represent obedience rather than liberty. When players decide to sue Jerry Jones it probably won't go well for Jones. There are exceptions to what employers can enforce, political and religious speech/events are among them... I believe.

The NFL handbook that all employees recieve states that players will be standing in uniform during the anthem. The dod paid them for it or some crap. Whatever.

If this was a real protest then it would involve some kind of self sacrifice that's how you can sell this isn't real it's only bitching and complaining if they were really passionate about this cause then they would kneel in the middle of the game, right in the middle of the field. Like in the civil rights era when there was actually something to fight for and real goals, and people made real sacrifices! If things are really so terrible in this country (care to try your luck elsewhere? No? So we are #1 choice for all minorites? Evil America? Oh, but its still not good enough, living like a king?) then there would be more than this halfhearted whimper of a protest... This is iust people trying to act like they are heroic. They accomplished NOTHING. Shot themselves and their cause in the foot. If i was the family of a victim of police brutality...oh wait, I AM a victim of police brutality... So, yeah, i am angry and so should the families of the dead be abgry that these idiots took over the show and drove the whole damn caravan off a cliff just to get attention and attempt to be lavished with accolades...

originally posted by: 3n19m470

originally posted by: Kali74
It's so sad that so many Conservatives would rather our flag and anthem represent obedience rather than liberty. When players decide to sue Jerry Jones it probably won't go well for Jones. There are exceptions to what employers can enforce, political and religious speech/events are among them... I believe.

The NFL handbook that all employees recieve states that players will be standing in uniform during the anthem. The dod paid them for it or some crap. Whatever.

It says "should" not "must".

a reply to: notsure1

So you really think Jones would miss out on millions if dollars just to worship a false idol? I doubt that very much.

originally posted by: Kali74
It's so sad that so many Conservatives would rather our flag and anthem represent obedience rather than liberty. When players decide to sue Jerry Jones it probably won't go well for Jones. There are exceptions to what employers can enforce, political and religious speech/events are among them... I believe.

I can't believe people are still crying about disrespecting the flag. Really starting to amuse me. What really gets me is if you force these players to stand to show this respect they are not really showing it. It is not genuine. I don't get it.
Reeks of a stand or else type of deal. I don't think it is disrespecting the flag but I do get great joy at work when people let on how butt hurt they are. I enjoy their fake outrage.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: 3n19m470

originally posted by: Kali74
It's so sad that so many Conservatives would rather our flag and anthem represent obedience rather than liberty. When players decide to sue Jerry Jones it probably won't go well for Jones. There are exceptions to what employers can enforce, political and religious speech/events are among them... I believe.

The NFL handbook that all employees recieve states that players will be standing in uniform during the anthem. The dod paid them for it or some crap. Whatever.

It says "should" not "must".

And on the field, nothing about standing. Plus the tax dollars and the DoD involvement with the NFL might lend some 1st Amendment protections that wouldn't normally exist for private business. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out if any player kneels.

a reply to: TinySickTears

To me the flag represents the freedom to burn it, turn it upside down, ignore it or salute it... it's beautiful that I can torch it and not worry about my government imprisoning me or killing me for expressing any grievances I may have.

a reply to: Kali74

I can just imagine one of these die hard patriots being stuck out in the middle of nowhere in a blizzard needing warmth and only having an American flag to burn.

RIP.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: TinySickTears

To me the flag represents the freedom to burn it, turn it upside down, ignore it or salute it... it's beautiful that I can torch it and not worry about my government imprisoning me or killing me for expressing any grievances I may have.

Yup, and many a young man and woman died to protect that right for you and others, so I kind of hope you remember than come flag burning day.

Many people see the gesture as disrespect even I do. It is how it is perceived.

I am not mad that they are protesting, but it does piss me off that they are politicising the sport and it is not worth going to the bar for the game because people are now arguing politics during the game. Beer, wings, and politics....NO. I want beer, wings, and the game.

They have every right to protest without fear of retribution from the GOVERNMENT, but the fans, nor the managers or owners have to put up that sh!t and that is our right.

Honestly though, I don't think benching them is the right thing to do. I think the owners should fine them a hefty amount each time. If they still insist on taking a knee over their pay and still play then it will show they are willing to sacrifice for whatever cause they claim, but I bet they would opt for the pay.

Apparently with Jerry Jones, you can beat your women, take drugs, commit all types of crimes, but non-violent protest is a bridge too far.

a reply to: network dude

I wouldn't burn a flag... well I don't think there'd ever be cause enough that I feel like I would. I just think it's beautiful that I can. It's a testimonial to our freedom.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

They go against the code all the time so...

a reply to: Grimpachi

lets blame the government and/or the league for even bringing patriotism into it.
it's a game. supposed to be fun. a place to leave religion and politics and # like that at the door.

being a patriot and standing for the flag has nothing to do with playing football. has no business there

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: TinySickTears

To me the flag represents the freedom to burn it, turn it upside down, ignore it or salute it... it's beautiful that I can torch it and not worry about my government imprisoning me or killing me for expressing any grievances I may have.

thats kind of what it is supposed to represent right?
funny that people can not agree though. proves there is no right way to feel about this.

you get a 100 vets together and ask them do they support peoples right to protest and kneel or even burn the flag and half will say that is what they fought for and respect their right to do it(thought they may not agree) and the other half will be pissed and say that is not why they fought and it is disrespectful.

who is right?

this is not a thing that can be measured

there are a few ex servicemen at work and a couple guys have brothers that served and it goes about how i said. some think its bull# and some respect their right to do it

a reply to: Metallicus

As a veteran, I still fail to see how kneeling is disrespectful to the flag, to veterans, to the nation, or to patriotism. I have more of a problem with idiots talking during the anthem, or players that refuse to come out until after the anthem is played.

Free speech is free speech. Whether it's athletes or civilians.

I certainly acknowledge that there are some major internal issues that the US needs to address, and if one kneeling athlete or 100 kneeling athletes brings attention to those issues...I think that's more patriotic than disrespectful.

Actually it reminds me of the 1968 Olympics and Tommie Smith, John Carlos and Peter Norman more than anything else. If you don't know that story here's some things to read:
story
John Carlos' story
medals stripped

originally posted by: ZombieZygote

originally posted by: Metallicus
We finally have an NFL owner who 'gets it' regarding the flag protests. The NFL can fine players for wearing the wrong clothes, celebrating on the field and even hitting someone wrong, but apparently they lack the balls to force players to stand for the Anthem. As employers the NFL has the absolute right to require certain behavior of employees that affects their public facing product.

I know some people say they aren't disrespecting the flag, but they ARE. Regardless of WHY they think they are doing it they ARE doing it and pissing off a lot of people in the process.

Anyway, it is good to see at least one owner has had enough of their childish behavior. If it isn't about disrespecting the flag then why not kneel during the two minute warning or some other time during the game?

Exactly, it IS about disrespecting the flag and the men and women who fought for the U.S.

ARLINGTON, Texas -- Dallas Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones said emphatically his players will stand for the national anthem and not disrespect the flag, and if they do, then the player or players will not play.

"If there's anything that is disrespectful to the flag, then we will not play," Jones said after the Cowboys' 35-31 loss to the Green Bay Packers. "Understand? We will not ... if we are disrespecting the flag, then we will not play. Period."

Source

I typically agree with you, but even if they were intending to "disrespect the flag and what it stands for", which they have repeatedly explained otherwise, the flag stands for the right to display this exact behavior. Whether you agree with it or not. They are hurting nothing but perhaps feelings. Oh well.

The problem is that they tell us they aren't out there disrespecting it, but every time someone protests using the flag, they are disrespecting the flag and what it stands for. It was inevitable, no matter what they try to blame on Trump, that the connection was going to happen.

When people burn the flag, they're pissed at the country. Always.

When people protest involving the flag, they're disrespecting the country. That's the way it has always gone.

Whoever came up with this ... Oh, yeah, Kaepernick who made statements that he was protesting the country! ... picked a target of the entire country by disrespecting the flag, not just law enforcement.